Airplane noise concerns overblown?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How could it possibly be overblown?! DCA alone by their own stats flies several planes per minute low overhead directly over some of these neighborhoods (Palisades, Foxhall and across the river being the most affected). There is no curfew and the demand growth is approaching close to 10% yoy. Everything else is a subjective and personal assessment of the considerable risks and trade offs.

Many thanks to the PP for their honesty.

They aren't just flying over the river, they turn and they fly over areas miles inland. There are multiple paths. I am not sure traffic increased in DCA, seems like for some airlines it decreased. Delta used to have more direct flights out of DCA, to most big metro areas. Now it's only to hub cities seems like.

[Anonymous]

In the Palisades, planes are flying low every minute or so or more, so there’s that. Goodness this is tiresome.

No, the plane noise is not overblown. It’s harmful to you and your children, it’s not just the noise, it’s also the pollution, the possible property prices’ downturn and the possible lower chances of resale.

And stress. Which is what I feel when I see one thing with my own eyes and read a complete fiction that’s the opposite here.

It’s fine to say, I personally don’t mind it, but it’s not fine to say we don’t get them at least 1 or so every 45-90 seconds in the Palisades and it’s a thing. Because it’s a big thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How could it possibly be overblown?! DCA alone by their own stats flies several planes per minute low overhead directly over some of these neighborhoods (Palisades, Foxhall and across the river being the most affected). There is no curfew and the demand growth is approaching close to 10% yoy. Everything else is a subjective and personal assessment of the considerable risks and trade offs.

Many thanks to the PP for their honesty.

They aren't just flying over the river, they turn and they fly over areas miles inland. There are multiple paths. I am not sure traffic increased in DCA, seems like for some airlines it decreased. Delta used to have more direct flights out of DCA, to most big metro areas. Now it's only to hub cities seems like.

Well, be sure. DCA publishes monthly reports including increase from the year before.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:With all due respect, not in any meaningful way that’s comparable, with the federal law to prohibit flying in place around the White House, National Mall and the VP residence and frankly East of there. It’s a no fly zone for commercial aircraft. Just please stop gaslighting hardworking ordinary folk.

You had the whole entire 3 years of a sellers market for to get rid of a property in a blighted area. Just be honest and people will either buy it taking an informed risk or not, but these “comparisons” and analogies (trains, automobiles, buses, Air Force One, oh my!) are pathetic and inaccurate

Furthermore they are harming all of our efforts to change things for the better. I didn’t start this thread but now I’ll tell it how it is. Just keep going

Not sure what you are talking about. Most of the area discussed are not "blighted" areas Planes fly over residential affluent suburban areas with multi-million dollar homes. And TBH, there aren't many areas where you won't hear planes frequently in DC metro. We are near 3 major airports. Not sure if you are suggesting people should sell and all move to a tiny quadrant near the Observatory in NWDC

[Anonymous]

Picture is worth a thousand words. Click below and then tell me more. And this was in the pandemic — it’s about 10% greater at night now.

https://www.popville.com/2021/12/an-increase-in-noise-coming-from-planes-departing-dca-lately-the-past-few-months/

Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies…

[Anonymous]

There are many areas.

These areas are affluent *now*, but there are planes. So many low flying planes. That’s why OP asked the question. The question is should I invest here? More importantly, with many choices, should I live here or there? So the point is that decision is subjective, but the facts are OBJECTIVE.

It’s not I’m not sure the traffic increased, because data says it has a lot and it is concentrated

If I were an investment advisor I’d say, invest in the areas not covered by the red lines, especially the thickest red line that blots out the entire neighborhood. Invest in the purple areas or no marking areas. (Referring to the @popville map in. the post above). I’d add, these are lovely neighborhoods with so much to recommend them so in the end it needs to be a personal choice. But please be well informed.

So why are the neighbors fighting the FAA and have unsuccessfully sued it? Because it’s not overblown. And then you come and say oh no there’s no such thing and we are one crazy real estate guy. 🤦‍♂️

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With all due respect, not in any meaningful way that’s comparable, with the federal law to prohibit flying in place around the White House, National Mall and the VP residence and frankly East of there. It’s a no fly zone for commercial aircraft. Just please stop gaslighting hardworking ordinary folk.

You had the whole entire 3 years of a sellers market for to get rid of a property in a blighted area. Just be honest and people will either buy it taking an informed risk or not, but these “comparisons” and analogies (trains, automobiles, buses, Air Force One, oh my!) are pathetic and inaccurate

Furthermore they are harming all of our efforts to change things for the better. I didn’t start this thread but now I’ll tell it how it is. Just keep going

Not sure what you are talking about. Most of the area discussed are not "blighted" areas Planes fly over residential affluent suburban areas with multi-million dollar homes. And TBH, there aren't many areas where you won't hear planes frequently in DC metro. We are near 3 major airports. Not sure if you are suggesting people should sell and all move to a tiny quadrant near the Observatory in NWDC

All being equal that tiny area and areas that are least impacted which look like most of DC (the DC study referenced here that someone asked for said Woodley Park but also Georgetown East, so again check the facts for yourself) would likely be a multiple of $/sqft of these flight path areas given sufficient information and time (and no historic bias against the Forest Hills, EOTP etc)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With all due respect, not in any meaningful way that’s comparable, with the federal law to prohibit flying in place around the White House, National Mall and the VP residence and frankly East of there. It’s a no fly zone for commercial aircraft. Just please stop gaslighting hardworking ordinary folk.

You had the whole entire 3 years of a sellers market for to get rid of a property in a blighted area. Just be honest and people will either buy it taking an informed risk or not, but these “comparisons” and analogies (trains, automobiles, buses, Air Force One, oh my!) are pathetic and inaccurate

Furthermore they are harming all of our efforts to change things for the better. I didn’t start this thread but now I’ll tell it how it is. Just keep going

Not sure what you are talking about. Most of the area discussed are not "blighted" areas Planes fly over residential affluent suburban areas with multi-million dollar homes. And TBH, there aren't many areas where you won't hear planes frequently in DC metro. We are near 3 major airports. Not sure if you are suggesting people should sell and all move to a tiny quadrant near the Observatory in NWDC

There are MANY areas where you won’t hear the planes, and also MOST areas where it’s nowhere near that bad.

[Anonymous]

It’s not the flight path, it’s that the leaves all fell off… must be my 2nd favorite comment

Right behind, so you want to punk someone into buying your nightmare

[Anonymous]

DC Fair Skies Coalition has the facts; they’re an independent and objective citizens’ movement.

Why Should You Care?
Sleep disruption, stress, and exposure to pollutants such as carcinogenic aromatic hydrocarbons from aircraft exhaust emissions that undergo chemical changes in sunlight degrade your health.
Decreased ability to concentrate for learning purposes degrades children’s education.
Reduced ability to enjoy the outdoors degrades your quality of life.
Constant noise degrades your property values.
Stating Our Case
Residents of communities near the Potomac including Georgetown are increasingly subjected to excessive aircraft noise, eroding the quality of life and damaging property values. In Spring 2015, the FAA authorized a new northern flight path called LAZIR that brings planes over Georgetown and Georgetown University and nearby communities including Foggy Bottom, Foxhall, Hillandale, Burleith, Colony Hill and Palisades as early as 5 am and well after midnight. The number of flights has also increased. The resulting significant increase in aircraft noise is disruptive to the peace and quiet of all residents near the new flight path.
Court Actions
As a result of residents’ growing frustration with this nightly elevation in noise levels, in August 2015, Citizens Association of Georgetown and the other communities near the Potomac River, joined by Georgetown University, filed a Petition for Review of the new flight path with the DC Federal Circuit Court of Appeals challenging the new northern route as unlawful. The CAG vs FAA, DC Cir Case No. 15-1285.

I believe they lost the case etc. but are still fighting.

[Anonymous]

Here’s the current to the hour state (guess what, no planes over most of DC, including most of the Upper NW. They are all in the areas on the @popville map.)

https://webtrak.emsbk.com/dca

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Regan should be closed IMO. Ultra fine particles dumping all over the city is giving us all a higher risk of cancer.

Agree. Except it’s not all over the city, is it? It’s very well concentrated in a tight corridor. There’s some historic justice in the areas closer to and EOTP not being affected.

Also there are massive no fly zones — draw large circles around the VP residence, the White House. And then there’s no need to fly over adjacent neighborhoods since you want to be closer to the river. So most of the city is fine.

Wind carries it all over.

Planes fly right over National Mall. Not sure what you are talking about. I bet you can hear them from the White House. It's close enough. Some fly right over the memorials. But they aren't one after another over DC. So even for areas like around National Mall and Georgetown you can hear and see planes pretty low, but they aren't flying every minute for hours on end. This is what happens above some further out suburban area that are flight paths, they send the planes in a line one after another and they turn from the river over specific areas (in VA that would be around GF and Mclean and also over Arlington and FC I believe). If you are in the turn-flight path it really sucks because noise lingers as you are surrounded by the flight path (semi circle) and they fly frequently enough, so noise doesn't abate at all for hours. Every minute you can see the plane. I didn't observe this in DC.

And the Palisades and Foxhall. It’s true. Not “further out suburban areas”

[Anonymous]

This thread could become a useful forum to share the news on the community activities to address the issues. It’s worth a suggestion.

https://www.flyreagan.com/about-airport/aircraft-noise-information/dca-reagan-national-webtrak-ops-noise-portal

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With all due respect, not in any meaningful way that’s comparable, with the federal law to prohibit flying in place around the White House, National Mall and the VP residence and frankly East of there. It’s a no fly zone for commercial aircraft. Just please stop gaslighting hardworking ordinary folk.

You had the whole entire 3 years of a sellers market for to get rid of a property in a blighted area. Just be honest and people will either buy it taking an informed risk or not, but these “comparisons” and analogies (trains, automobiles, buses, Air Force One, oh my!) are pathetic and inaccurate

Furthermore they are harming all of our efforts to change things for the better. I didn’t start this thread but now I’ll tell it how it is. Just keep going

Not sure what you are talking about. Most of the area discussed are not "blighted" areas Planes fly over residential affluent suburban areas with multi-million dollar homes. And TBH, there aren't many areas where you won't hear planes frequently in DC metro. We are near 3 major airports. Not sure if you are suggesting people should sell and all move to a tiny quadrant near the Observatory in NWDC

Who cares how much your house cost of you can’t sleep without a noise machine to block out the other noise machines?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We live in Chevy Chase West (just north of Somerset, pretty close to Kenwood) & the airplane noise has been far worse recently than in years past. In particular, the noise right around 6am is ridiculous for about 30-45 minutes. Absolutely functions like an alarm close. OP who's visiting the neighborhood -- make sure you get there at 545am!

I had no idea.