Airplane noise concerns overblown?

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Anonymous wrote:People on the community noise working group at dca lack any accountability. There is a new member from Fairfax who is asking tough questions about some of the recent changes that resulted in more noise for many people living north of the airport and how those changes came about but she is being shut down by others in the group. They refuse to provide her with clear answers.

I hope somebody will continue to question how decisions are made by this group. The recent changes pushed through by the CWG resulted in more noise for many neighborhoods in Montgomery county too.

I’m not doubting you guys, but can you be specific? I try to follow this topic because it’s of interest to me, but a lot of the posts are vague. Which neighborhoods got hurt?

Not PP but I can help answer. What areas in particular are you inquiring, Virginia, Maryland?

As for the decision making bit, the changes that were pushed through by the Community Working Group were done without any community involvement. The FAA opened a comment period before the changes to collect input but the affected communities in Fairfax and Montgomery County were never notified by the Working Group. Those on the Community Working Group at DCA who initiated this process and who eventually benefited from the changes knew that those communities would never agree to the proposal so they decided to keep residents in the dark.

You can try and find some links in this thread in the last twenty pages or so that specifically show the changes.

I could not find the links but I can tell you how the flight path changed for departures to the north and west in 2021. Airplanes used to fly in a relatively straight line all the way to Potomac/Avenel. Residents were told it was to allow pilots an unrestricted climb. Planes would leave the area faster and climb higher quickly. Residents of Potomac/Avenel supported by Montgomery County government asked the FAA to remove the flights from the area. The new early turn that the FAA introduced in response meant that flights could no longer climb as high. Turning at low altitudes also requires more thrust, thus more noise. The waypoint that previously kept airplanes away from densely populated areas along the river was removed so airplanes now routinely fly closer to residential areas on both sides of the Potomac River although the flight path shifted more towards Bethesda. Another waypoint was placed directly over Glen Echo.

Some of the areas or streets impacted negatively by this change: Macarthur Blvd, Brickyard Road, Vendome Drive, Georgetown Pike, GW Pkwy, Westmoreland Hills, Sumner, Brookmont, Glen Echo and so on.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People on the community noise working group at dca lack any accountability. There is a new member from Fairfax who is asking tough questions about some of the recent changes that resulted in more noise for many people living north of the airport and how those changes came about but she is being shut down by others in the group. They refuse to provide her with clear answers.

I hope somebody will continue to question how decisions are made by this group. The recent changes pushed through by the CWG resulted in more noise for many neighborhoods in Montgomery county too.

I’m not doubting you guys, but can you be specific? I try to follow this topic because it’s of interest to me, but a lot of the posts are vague. Which neighborhoods got hurt?

Not PP but I can help answer. What areas in particular are you inquiring, Virginia, Maryland?

As for the decision making bit, the changes that were pushed through by the Community Working Group were done without any community involvement. The FAA opened a comment period before the changes to collect input but the affected communities in Fairfax and Montgomery County were never notified by the Working Group. Those on the Community Working Group at DCA who initiated this process and who eventually benefited from the changes knew that those communities would never agree to the proposal so they decided to keep residents in the dark.

You can try and find some links in this thread in the last twenty pages or so that specifically show the changes.

I could not find the links but I can tell you how the flight path changed for departures to the north and west in 2021. Airplanes used to fly in a relatively straight line all the way to Potomac/Avenel. Residents were told it was to allow pilots an unrestricted climb. Planes would leave the area faster and climb higher quickly. Residents of Potomac/Avenel supported by Montgomery County government asked the FAA to remove the flights from the area. The new early turn that the FAA introduced in response meant that flights could no longer climb as high. Turning at low altitudes also requires more thrust, thus more noise. The waypoint that previously kept airplanes away from densely populated areas along the river was removed so airplanes now routinely fly closer to residential areas on both sides of the Potomac River although the flight path shifted more towards Bethesda. Another waypoint was placed directly over Glen Echo.

Some of the areas or streets impacted negatively by this change: Macarthur Blvd, Brickyard Road, Vendome Drive, Georgetown Pike, GW Pkwy, Westmoreland Hills, Sumner, Brookmont, Glen Echo and so on.

As for the recent changes in arrivals from the North, at the request of MoCo, the FAA scattered them over a wider area. The communities impacted are those living along GW Pkwy, Georgetown Pike in Virginia and again Macarthur, Brickyard and Vendome on the MD side, and to a lesser extent those living west of Seven Locks. If you did not have noise from arriving airplanes and suddenly started experiencing it in 2021 or summer of 2024, then you are impacted.

BUT in the latest twist, at the January 2025 Community Working Group meeting, the FAA revealed the new location of runway 15 for arrivals from the north and it starts in Cabin John! So although Potomac was successful in eliminating waypoint Fergi from their area, the FAA has now placed a starting point for runway 15 over Cabin John. The good news is that runway 15 is not supposed to be used often but who knows.....I trust that residents of Cabin John were informed of this by the Community Working Group and Montgomery County? Here's the map:

https://www.flyreagan.com/sites/flyreagan.com/files/2025-01/Draft%20RNAV%20%28GPS%29%20RWY%2015%20for%20Jan%2023%20DCA%20CWG%20%281%29.pdf

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:People on the community noise working group at dca lack any accountability. There is a new member from Fairfax who is asking tough questions about some of the recent changes that resulted in more noise for many people living north of the airport and how those changes came about but she is being shut down by others in the group. They refuse to provide her with clear answers.

I hope somebody will continue to question how decisions are made by this group. The recent changes pushed through by the CWG resulted in more noise for many neighborhoods in Montgomery county too.

I’m not doubting you guys, but can you be specific? I try to follow this topic because it’s of interest to me, but a lot of the posts are vague. Which neighborhoods got hurt?

Not PP but I can help answer. What areas in particular are you inquiring, Virginia, Maryland?

As for the decision making bit, the changes that were pushed through by the Community Working Group were done without any community involvement. The FAA opened a comment period before the changes to collect input but the affected communities in Fairfax and Montgomery County were never notified by the Working Group. Those on the Community Working Group at DCA who initiated this process and who eventually benefited from the changes knew that those communities would never agree to the proposal so they decided to keep residents in the dark.

You can try and find some links in this thread in the last twenty pages or so that specifically show the changes.

I could not find the links but I can tell you how the flight path changed for departures to the north and west in 2021. Airplanes used to fly in a relatively straight line all the way to Potomac/Avenel. Residents were told it was to allow pilots an unrestricted climb. Planes would leave the area faster and climb higher quickly. Residents of Potomac/Avenel supported by Montgomery County government asked the FAA to remove the flights from the area. The new early turn that the FAA introduced in response meant that flights could no longer climb as high. Turning at low altitudes also requires more thrust, thus more noise. The waypoint that previously kept airplanes away from densely populated areas along the river was removed so airplanes now routinely fly closer to residential areas on both sides of the Potomac River although the flight path shifted more towards Bethesda. Another waypoint was placed directly over Glen Echo.

Some of the areas or streets impacted negatively by this change: Macarthur Blvd, Brickyard Road, Vendome Drive, Georgetown Pike, GW Pkwy, Westmoreland Hills, Sumner, Brookmont, Glen Echo and so on.

As for the recent changes in arrivals from the North, at the request of MoCo, the FAA scattered them over a wider area. The communities impacted are those living along GW Pkwy, Georgetown Pike in Virginia and again Macarthur, Brickyard and Vendome on the MD side, and to a lesser extent those living west of Seven Locks. If you did not have noise from arriving airplanes and suddenly started experiencing it in 2021 or summer of 2024, then you are impacted.

BUT in the latest twist, at the January 2025 Community Working Group meeting, the FAA revealed the new location of runway 15 for arrivals from the north and it starts in Cabin John! So although Potomac was successful in eliminating waypoint Fergi from their area, the FAA has now placed a starting point for runway 15 over Cabin John. The good news is that runway 15 is not supposed to be used often but who knows.....I trust that residents of Cabin John were informed of this by the Community Working Group and Montgomery County? Here's the map:

https://www.flyreagan.com/sites/flyreagan.com/files/2025-01/Draft%20RNAV%20%28GPS%29%20RWY%2015%20for%20Jan%2023%20DCA%20CWG%20%281%29.pdf

Airplanes have to start descending somewhere. Potomac did not want that over them so the FAA had no choice but to place the new channelized procedure over Cabin John. It is either Potomac or cabin John. There is no other choice.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People on the community noise working group at dca lack any accountability. There is a new member from Fairfax who is asking tough questions about some of the recent changes that resulted in more noise for many people living north of the airport and how those changes came about but she is being shut down by others in the group. They refuse to provide her with clear answers.

I hope somebody will continue to question how decisions are made by this group. The recent changes pushed through by the CWG resulted in more noise for many neighborhoods in Montgomery county too.

I’m not doubting you guys, but can you be specific? I try to follow this topic because it’s of interest to me, but a lot of the posts are vague. Which neighborhoods got hurt?

Not PP but I can help answer. What areas in particular are you inquiring, Virginia, Maryland?

As for the decision making bit, the changes that were pushed through by the Community Working Group were done without any community involvement. The FAA opened a comment period before the changes to collect input but the affected communities in Fairfax and Montgomery County were never notified by the Working Group. Those on the Community Working Group at DCA who initiated this process and who eventually benefited from the changes knew that those communities would never agree to the proposal so they decided to keep residents in the dark.

You can try and find some links in this thread in the last twenty pages or so that specifically show the changes.

I could not find the links but I can tell you how the flight path changed for departures to the north and west in 2021. Airplanes used to fly in a relatively straight line all the way to Potomac/Avenel. Residents were told it was to allow pilots an unrestricted climb. Planes would leave the area faster and climb higher quickly. Residents of Potomac/Avenel supported by Montgomery County government asked the FAA to remove the flights from the area. The new early turn that the FAA introduced in response meant that flights could no longer climb as high. Turning at low altitudes also requires more thrust, thus more noise. The waypoint that previously kept airplanes away from densely populated areas along the river was removed so airplanes now routinely fly closer to residential areas on both sides of the Potomac River although the flight path shifted more towards Bethesda. Another waypoint was placed directly over Glen Echo.

Some of the areas or streets impacted negatively by this change: Macarthur Blvd, Brickyard Road, Vendome Drive, Georgetown Pike, GW Pkwy, Westmoreland Hills, Sumner, Brookmont, Glen Echo and so on.

As for the recent changes in arrivals from the North, at the request of MoCo, the FAA scattered them over a wider area. The communities impacted are those living along GW Pkwy, Georgetown Pike in Virginia and again Macarthur, Brickyard and Vendome on the MD side, and to a lesser extent those living west of Seven Locks. If you did not have noise from arriving airplanes and suddenly started experiencing it in 2021 or summer of 2024, then you are impacted.

BUT in the latest twist, at the January 2025 Community Working Group meeting, the FAA revealed the new location of runway 15 for arrivals from the north and it starts in Cabin John! So although Potomac was successful in eliminating waypoint Fergi from their area, the FAA has now placed a starting point for runway 15 over Cabin John. The good news is that runway 15 is not supposed to be used often but who knows.....I trust that residents of Cabin John were informed of this by the Community Working Group and Montgomery County? Here's the map:

https://www.flyreagan.com/sites/flyreagan.com/files/2025-01/Draft%20RNAV%20%28GPS%29%20RWY%2015%20for%20Jan%2023%20DCA%20CWG%20%281%29.pdf

Airplanes have to start descending somewhere. Potomac did not want that over them so the FAA had no choice but to place the new channelized procedure over Cabin John. It is either Potomac or cabin John. There is no other choice.

How is there “no other choice”? And who in Avenel would have that much influence not to fly over or near the Avenel community?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People on the community noise working group at dca lack any accountability. There is a new member from Fairfax who is asking tough questions about some of the recent changes that resulted in more noise for many people living north of the airport and how those changes came about but she is being shut down by others in the group. They refuse to provide her with clear answers.

I hope somebody will continue to question how decisions are made by this group. The recent changes pushed through by the CWG resulted in more noise for many neighborhoods in Montgomery county too.

I’m not doubting you guys, but can you be specific? I try to follow this topic because it’s of interest to me, but a lot of the posts are vague. Which neighborhoods got hurt?

Not PP but I can help answer. What areas in particular are you inquiring, Virginia, Maryland?

As for the decision making bit, the changes that were pushed through by the Community Working Group were done without any community involvement. The FAA opened a comment period before the changes to collect input but the affected communities in Fairfax and Montgomery County were never notified by the Working Group. Those on the Community Working Group at DCA who initiated this process and who eventually benefited from the changes knew that those communities would never agree to the proposal so they decided to keep residents in the dark.

You can try and find some links in this thread in the last twenty pages or so that specifically show the changes.

I could not find the links but I can tell you how the flight path changed for departures to the north and west in 2021. Airplanes used to fly in a relatively straight line all the way to Potomac/Avenel. Residents were told it was to allow pilots an unrestricted climb. Planes would leave the area faster and climb higher quickly. Residents of Potomac/Avenel supported by Montgomery County government asked the FAA to remove the flights from the area. The new early turn that the FAA introduced in response meant that flights could no longer climb as high. Turning at low altitudes also requires more thrust, thus more noise. The waypoint that previously kept airplanes away from densely populated areas along the river was removed so airplanes now routinely fly closer to residential areas on both sides of the Potomac River although the flight path shifted more towards Bethesda. Another waypoint was placed directly over Glen Echo.

Some of the areas or streets impacted negatively by this change: Macarthur Blvd, Brickyard Road, Vendome Drive, Georgetown Pike, GW Pkwy, Westmoreland Hills, Sumner, Brookmont, Glen Echo and so on.

As for the recent changes in arrivals from the North, at the request of MoCo, the FAA scattered them over a wider area. The communities impacted are those living along GW Pkwy, Georgetown Pike in Virginia and again Macarthur, Brickyard and Vendome on the MD side, and to a lesser extent those living west of Seven Locks. If you did not have noise from arriving airplanes and suddenly started experiencing it in 2021 or summer of 2024, then you are impacted.

BUT in the latest twist, at the January 2025 Community Working Group meeting, the FAA revealed the new location of runway 15 for arrivals from the north and it starts in Cabin John! So although Potomac was successful in eliminating waypoint Fergi from their area, the FAA has now placed a starting point for runway 15 over Cabin John. The good news is that runway 15 is not supposed to be used often but who knows.....I trust that residents of Cabin John were informed of this by the Community Working Group and Montgomery County? Here's the map:

https://www.flyreagan.com/sites/flyreagan.com/files/2025-01/Draft%20RNAV%20%28GPS%29%20RWY%2015%20for%20Jan%2023%20DCA%20CWG%20%281%29.pdf

Airplanes have to start descending somewhere. Potomac did not want that over them so the FAA had no choice but to place the new channelized procedure over Cabin John. It is either Potomac or cabin John. There is no other choice.

As somebody who lives in the area I can say that Cabin John is far enough from the airport that airplanes are high enough that they are not too noisy. You cannot compare it to Arlington or Georgetown.

[Anonymous]

I can't believe this thread has gone on so long. Yes you paid a lot for your house. No that doesn't entitle you to quiet airspace.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No matter which way they go, they will be pissing someone off with the noise in such a densly populated area.

Given what happened earlier this year, I would rather they choose the safest flight paths that are easiest to navigate for pilots. The rest of us can deal with it.

I know what it's like, I live near Dulles and knew what I was getting into. If one has a misophonia condition, the best choice may be to move.

The river approach for southbound landings for the last 5-15 miles in, before Lockheed’s NextGen GPS routed all jets over MoCo, pissed off millions less people and urban densities. VA and MD combined.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I went to an outdoor party and someone’s backyard in the Foxhall Palisades area this summer and was shocked by how loud and constant the plane noise was.

Always was, regardless of approach method (river or bethesda turn nodes or McLean turn nodes).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People on the community noise working group at dca lack any accountability. There is a new member from Fairfax who is asking tough questions about some of the recent changes that resulted in more noise for many people living north of the airport and how those changes came about but she is being shut down by others in the group. They refuse to provide her with clear answers.

I hope somebody will continue to question how decisions are made by this group. The recent changes pushed through by the CWG resulted in more noise for many neighborhoods in Montgomery county too.

I’m not doubting you guys, but can you be specific? I try to follow this topic because it’s of interest to me, but a lot of the posts are vague. Which neighborhoods got hurt?

Not PP but I can help answer. What areas in particular are you inquiring, Virginia, Maryland?

As for the decision making bit, the changes that were pushed through by the Community Working Group were done without any community involvement. The FAA opened a comment period before the changes to collect input but the affected communities in Fairfax and Montgomery County were never notified by the Working Group. Those on the Community Working Group at DCA who initiated this process and who eventually benefited from the changes knew that those communities would never agree to the proposal so they decided to keep residents in the dark.

You can try and find some links in this thread in the last twenty pages or so that specifically show the changes.

I could not find the links but I can tell you how the flight path changed for departures to the north and west in 2021. Airplanes used to fly in a relatively straight line all the way to Potomac/Avenel. Residents were told it was to allow pilots an unrestricted climb. Planes would leave the area faster and climb higher quickly. Residents of Potomac/Avenel supported by Montgomery County government asked the FAA to remove the flights from the area. The new early turn that the FAA introduced in response meant that flights could no longer climb as high. Turning at low altitudes also requires more thrust, thus more noise. The waypoint that previously kept airplanes away from densely populated areas along the river was removed so airplanes now routinely fly closer to residential areas on both sides of the Potomac River although the flight path shifted more towards Bethesda. Another waypoint was placed directly over Glen Echo.

Some of the areas or streets impacted negatively by this change: Macarthur Blvd, Brickyard Road, Vendome Drive, Georgetown Pike, GW Pkwy, Westmoreland Hills, Sumner, Brookmont, Glen Echo and so on.

As for the recent changes in arrivals from the North, at the request of MoCo, the FAA scattered them over a wider area. The communities impacted are those living along GW Pkwy, Georgetown Pike in Virginia and again Macarthur, Brickyard and Vendome on the MD side, and to a lesser extent those living west of Seven Locks. If you did not have noise from arriving airplanes and suddenly started experiencing it in 2021 or summer of 2024, then you are impacted.

BUT in the latest twist, at the January 2025 Community Working Group meeting, the FAA revealed the new location of runway 15 for arrivals from the north and it starts in Cabin John! So although Potomac was successful in eliminating waypoint Fergi from their area, the FAA has now placed a starting point for runway 15 over Cabin John. The good news is that runway 15 is not supposed to be used often but who knows.....I trust that residents of Cabin John were informed of this by the Community Working Group and Montgomery County? Here's the map:

https://www.flyreagan.com/sites/flyreagan.com/files/2025-01/Draft%20RNAV%20%28GPS%29%20RWY%2015%20for%20Jan%2023%20DCA%20CWG%20%281%29.pdf

Airplanes have to start descending somewhere. Potomac did not want that over them so the FAA had no choice but to place the new channelized procedure over Cabin John. It is either Potomac or cabin John. There is no other choice.

It’s actually Goldsboro and Mass Ave when they turn.

[Anonymous]

Why can’t the FAA do ACTUAL decibel level tests and air quality tests up in bethesda at the proper altitude? Like in the roofs of the schools and community pools? That’s where the noise and fall out are.

Simulated decibel tests at sea level are total BS. Who approved that krap?

[Anonymous]

National Airport should be closed to civilian air traffic. It should be used for occasional military and emergency flights only, no exceptions for VIPs. It’s too close to the river and the runways are too short. Dulles and BWI are sufficient.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:National Airport should be closed to civilian air traffic. It should be used for occasional military and emergency flights only, no exceptions for VIPs. It’s too close to the river and the runways are too short. Dulles and BWI are sufficient.

you are a lunatic

just for this ridiculous statement I hope they keep expanding DCA

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I've been listening to the planes all night while trying to read. It's miserable. Tried talking to "the working group" and basically was gaslighted that this noise is all in my head.

I appreciated the PP who said that he hears it and his wife doesn't. Same. Doesn't bother my husband in the least because he's a little hard of hearing at 67. He wants to move to Georgetown (even worse than our neighborhood) and I told him to forget it.

I think the only solution is to drastically scale down the number of flights in and out of DCA.

Speaking of gaslighting on the Working Group, here's an email sent by the Montgomery County reps to a resident who observed that the change in the flight path pushed through by the Working Group shifted airplanes closer to other communities. The Working Group reps claim it is not possible for the human eye to notice that. Here's their e-mail:

"determining the location (ground track) from the ground by a single observer is next to impossible. The observer would need a theodolite and would have to work in concert with other observers, also with theodolites. There are so many factors working against s single observer, the best that can be done is to get a casual idea of what’s going on.

For example, it would be natural to look at which way the nose of the aircraft is pointing and assume that’s the direction it is flying. However, that’s not the case. The winds can cause the pilot to turn the plane into the direction of the wind to maintain course.
(similar to a boat on a lake). This presents a confusing picture from the ground.

Also, it's hard to distinguish distance to the plane — simply because our personal reference frame can’t deal with how big the planes are. Through our life we get pretty good at it because we naturally get trained to the size of things - people, cars, horses, etc. and their distance from us. The average person doesn’t live in an environment of big stuff and doesn’t get trained accordingly. This also fuzzies up our perception."


Gaslighting at its finest.

Classic Montgomery County response to a concern from a resident. Just classic.

[Anonymous]

The smartest thing that came out of the working group recently was an acknowledgment last Thursday that the Potomac river north of the airport is just too narrow to provide any noise abatement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People on the community noise working group at dca lack any accountability. There is a new member from Fairfax who is asking tough questions about some of the recent changes that resulted in more noise for many people living north of the airport and how those changes came about but she is being shut down by others in the group. They refuse to provide her with clear answers.

I hope somebody will continue to question how decisions are made by this group. The recent changes pushed through by the CWG resulted in more noise for many neighborhoods in Montgomery county too.

I’m not doubting you guys, but can you be specific? I try to follow this topic because it’s of interest to me, but a lot of the posts are vague. Which neighborhoods got hurt?

Not PP but I can help answer. What areas in particular are you inquiring, Virginia, Maryland?

As for the decision making bit, the changes that were pushed through by the Community Working Group were done without any community involvement. The FAA opened a comment period before the changes to collect input but the affected communities in Fairfax and Montgomery County were never notified by the Working Group. Those on the Community Working Group at DCA who initiated this process and who eventually benefited from the changes knew that those communities would never agree to the proposal so they decided to keep residents in the dark.

You can try and find some links in this thread in the last twenty pages or so that specifically show the changes.

I could not find the links but I can tell you how the flight path changed for departures to the north and west in 2021. Airplanes used to fly in a relatively straight line all the way to Potomac/Avenel. Residents were told it was to allow pilots an unrestricted climb. Planes would leave the area faster and climb higher quickly. Residents of Potomac/Avenel supported by Montgomery County government asked the FAA to remove the flights from the area. The new early turn that the FAA introduced in response meant that flights could no longer climb as high. Turning at low altitudes also requires more thrust, thus more noise. The waypoint that previously kept airplanes away from densely populated areas along the river was removed so airplanes now routinely fly closer to residential areas on both sides of the Potomac River although the flight path shifted more towards Bethesda. Another waypoint was placed directly over Glen Echo.

Some of the areas or streets impacted negatively by this change: Macarthur Blvd, Brickyard Road, Vendome Drive, Georgetown Pike, GW Pkwy, Westmoreland Hills, Sumner, Brookmont, Glen Echo and so on.

As for the recent changes in arrivals from the North, at the request of MoCo, the FAA scattered them over a wider area. The communities impacted are those living along GW Pkwy, Georgetown Pike in Virginia and again Macarthur, Brickyard and Vendome on the MD side, and to a lesser extent those living west of Seven Locks. If you did not have noise from arriving airplanes and suddenly started experiencing it in 2021 or summer of 2024, then you are impacted.

BUT in the latest twist, at the January 2025 Community Working Group meeting, the FAA revealed the new location of runway 15 for arrivals from the north and it starts in Cabin John! So although Potomac was successful in eliminating waypoint Fergi from their area, the FAA has now placed a starting point for runway 15 over Cabin John. The good news is that runway 15 is not supposed to be used often but who knows.....I trust that residents of Cabin John were informed of this by the Community Working Group and Montgomery County? Here's the map:

https://www.flyreagan.com/sites/flyreagan.com/files/2025-01/Draft%20RNAV%20%28GPS%29%20RWY%2015%20for%20Jan%2023%20DCA%20CWG%20%281%29.pdf

Thank you . This is helpful.