Crime in DC- does police do anything?

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Anonymous wrote:The real answer is that cops do not stop crime they never have and they never will. Cops apprehend and the court system punishes. Cops don’t even punish, that is the court system.

Social services do stop crimes, jobs, education, mental health support, community centers, churches, etc.

The things that stop crime have broken down and that is why crime is up.

Decades of studies show you are wrong. Mere police presence stops crime, and they don't even have to arrest people. They just have to be there.

Ideally, we as a community would solve concentrated poverty, which is the real problem. But we don't.

Secondarily, we as a community must have adequate responses to respond to people in crisis. And someone holding a knife to their mom's throat or using a machete to carjack a car are community crises. It creates neighborhoods of fear, and that pervasive fear is very damaging to the people who live there. That alone contributes to our systemic disparities. Pull police out and the two remaining solutions are vigilante justice (which we are seeing much more of) or military intervention.

Invest in communities and invest in good policing. That's the only way to stop this.

I agree with you, however how do we invest in communities who don't want to.play their party i.e. be a good parent, responsible etc? Mist crime in DC is committed by young kids and if locking them up is not an option then how do we address the lack of parental support?

Your post is one long racist dog whistle. Why not try helping systemically oppressed communities for a change?

Not everything is about race. I ask a serious question how do we make up for lack of parental control? How is it fair a good family was beaten up in broad daylight by a thug? I honestly don't know how we can make any progress against crime and safety if the buck stops with oppression, profiling etc? I welcome your suggestions.

All I want is to feel safe and protected when I am doing everything right.

When you say "parental control" and "thugs" those are dog whistles right there. We all know what you mean. Don't be obtuse. The solution is to support programs that help underserved communities (violence interrupters, addressing police brutality, criminal justice reform), even if that should cost you a little more in taxes.

You are profiling no where did I discuss race. In my opinion a thug is someone who beats people for no reason, carjacks, robs people etc. I am.all for support programs but not at the cost of decriminalization and protected the thugs. As a teen I couldn't imagine beating people up as I knew once I am.home there would be serious consequences. I am tired of this narrative that we need to think about the thugs wellbeing how about hard working taxpayers?

I welcome your suggestions on how you think the city van do a better job and how you see it will help. Social programs takes years to make change untill then what do we do?

Of course it will take a long time to dismantle systemic racism. Police brutality is not the answer.

What we need is more funding for violence interrupters. More affordable housing. More wrap-around services. But also fewer bigots like you.

It's not bigotry to view incarceration as appropriate for violent criminals.

We do incarcerated violent criminals. We just don’t incarcerate them before they are violent.

Hmmmm...when teens commit violent crimes?

Yes we do. The process you might not like but we do incarcerate violent teens.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The real answer is that cops do not stop crime they never have and they never will. Cops apprehend and the court system punishes. Cops don’t even punish, that is the court system.

Social services do stop crimes, jobs, education, mental health support, community centers, churches, etc.

The things that stop crime have broken down and that is why crime is up.

You omitted PARENTS.

Who do u think needs to consume the social services? An infant? SMFH

Parents themselves need to be included for stopping crimes by actually parenting and raising children who know right from wrong.

Parents need resources to do so. They need four, shelter, health care, education. They need basic human rights. If you don’t provide someone basic human rights don’t cry to me about the crime.

We should not house people in lead ridden rat traps with no groceries and then complain they grow up to be bad parents.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The real answer is that cops do not stop crime they never have and they never will. Cops apprehend and the court system punishes. Cops don’t even punish, that is the court system.

Social services do stop crimes, jobs, education, mental health support, community centers, churches, etc.

The things that stop crime have broken down and that is why crime is up.

You omitted PARENTS.

Who do u think needs to consume the social services? An infant? SMFH

Parents themselves need to be included for stopping crimes by actually parenting and raising children who know right from wrong.

Parents need resources to do so. They need four, shelter, health care, education. They need basic human rights. If you don’t provide someone basic human rights don’t cry to me about the crime.

We should not house people in lead ridden rat traps with no groceries and then complain they grow up to be bad parents.

Did you know that there are millions of impoverished families, who through similar unfair circumstances have very little monetarily, but still teach their children right from wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:The real answer is that cops do not stop crime they never have and they never will. Cops apprehend and the court system punishes. Cops don’t even punish, that is the court system.

Social services do stop crimes, jobs, education, mental health support, community centers, churches, etc.

The things that stop crime have broken down and that is why crime is up.

Decades of studies show you are wrong. Mere police presence stops crime, and they don't even have to arrest people. They just have to be there.

Ideally, we as a community would solve concentrated poverty, which is the real problem. But we don't.

Secondarily, we as a community must have adequate responses to respond to people in crisis. And someone holding a knife to their mom's throat or using a machete to carjack a car are community crises. It creates neighborhoods of fear, and that pervasive fear is very damaging to the people who live there. That alone contributes to our systemic disparities. Pull police out and the two remaining solutions are vigilante justice (which we are seeing much more of) or military intervention.

Invest in communities and invest in good policing. That's the only way to stop this.

I agree with you, however how do we invest in communities who don't want to.play their party i.e. be a good parent, responsible etc? Mist crime in DC is committed by young kids and if locking them up is not an option then how do we address the lack of parental support?

Your post is one long racist dog whistle. Why not try helping systemically oppressed communities for a change?

Not everything is about race. I ask a serious question how do we make up for lack of parental control? How is it fair a good family was beaten up in broad daylight by a thug? I honestly don't know how we can make any progress against crime and safety if the buck stops with oppression, profiling etc? I welcome your suggestions.

All I want is to feel safe and protected when I am doing everything right.

When you say "parental control" and "thugs" those are dog whistles right there. We all know what you mean. Don't be obtuse. The solution is to support programs that help underserved communities (violence interrupters, addressing police brutality, criminal justice reform), even if that should cost you a little more in taxes.

You are profiling no where did I discuss race. In my opinion a thug is someone who beats people for no reason, carjacks, robs people etc. I am.all for support programs but not at the cost of decriminalization and protected the thugs. As a teen I couldn't imagine beating people up as I knew once I am.home there would be serious consequences. I am tired of this narrative that we need to think about the thugs wellbeing how about hard working taxpayers?

I welcome your suggestions on how you think the city van do a better job and how you see it will help. Social programs takes years to make change untill then what do we do?

Of course it will take a long time to dismantle systemic racism. Police brutality is not the answer.

What we need is more funding for violence interrupters. More affordable housing. More wrap-around services. But also fewer bigots like you.

It's not bigotry to view incarceration as appropriate for violent criminals.

We do incarcerated violent criminals. We just don’t incarcerate them before they are violent.

Hmmmm...when teens commit violent crimes?

Yes we do. The process you might not like but we do incarcerate violent teens.

They are very often released soon afterwards.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I thought DC crime overall had dropped in 2022.

It has.

Dollars to donuts none of the tough-on-crime posters in this thread live in DC. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't even live in the metro region.

I agree. They’re likely right wing trolls who love to criticize DC.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I thought DC crime overall had dropped in 2022.

It has.

Dollars to donuts none of the tough-on-crime posters in this thread live in DC. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't even live in the metro region.

I agree. They’re likely right wing trolls who love to criticize DC.

They're truly pathetic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you want to reduce crime in dc you have to bring back nyc stop and frisk. You have to have cops on the ground 24/7 walking the beat and being present.

And as others have said, dc, md, va. They all need strong constitutional carry and stand your ground and 100% homestead/ property protection.

If I blow away some punk caught breaking into my car, the only thing I should ever have to deal with is a big thank you for taking out the trash.

No threat of jail, prosecution, etc. 100% protection from any and all recourse.

Then DC will become safer.

In this world you describe, even criminals can get away with murder because they can just claim the person was breaking into their car and make sh*t up. I don't want to live in that world.

No, you’d actually have to have some evidence. But criminals need consequences.
Not that you should admit it, but I highly doubt you live in a high crime neighborhood.

I do not want a world of vigilante justice where people kill for a car break in and your life isn't remotely in danger. I am sister to a state police officer and good friends with a few other cops who are MPD. Nobody wants a vigilante world including them.

And FWIW, I live in NE DC in a high crime area highly criticized in DCUM whenever the neighborhood is mentioned.

A car break in is worth a call to the police. Not some dumb idiot who thinks he's rambo or hopped up on his latest game of COD now shooting into a DC street when nobody's life is in danger. If a life is actually in danger, go forth, but make sure you can actually shoot because wild DC shots are known to penetrate windows. I've got friends who found bullets in their house and know of a parent who found a bullet in their kid's crib.

If your wild shooting at someone for a bleeping car break in ended up meaning a bullet landed in my house, let alone harmed a member of my family, I'd sue the crap out of you.

To be clear, your scenario is a complete fabrication. At this point, we don't know what transpired when this homeowner went out to investigate the sounds he heard. I have not seen any indication that he simply started shooting wildly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you want to reduce crime in dc you have to bring back nyc stop and frisk. You have to have cops on the ground 24/7 walking the beat and being present.

And as others have said, dc, md, va. They all need strong constitutional carry and stand your ground and 100% homestead/ property protection.

If I blow away some punk caught breaking into my car, the only thing I should ever have to deal with is a big thank you for taking out the trash.

No threat of jail, prosecution, etc. 100% protection from any and all recourse.

Then DC will become safer.

You sound like George Zimmerman.

No to stop and frisk. If you want stop and frisk, have a chat with your friends who are black. If you don't have friends who are black, ask yourself why you live in a bubble and change that.

No to killing someone just for a car break in when a life is not in danger.

How about teaching kids that carjackings, break-ins, and stealing are wrong? There's a thought.

Sure. Still not an excuse for vigilante justice and killing over petty crime where no life is at risk, so not sure your point.

How do you know no life is at risk? If the shooter went outside to investigate the noise and was threatened, then it's self defense

Threatened with a gun? Sure. If not? No.

LOL. Yeah, no one ever gets killed with knives or anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought DC crime overall had dropped in 2022.

It has.

Dollars to donuts none of the tough-on-crime posters in this thread live in DC. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't even live in the metro region.

I agree. They’re likely right wing trolls who love to criticize DC.

They're truly pathetic.

Look in the mirror.
Better yet, look outside your front door.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you want to reduce crime in dc you have to bring back nyc stop and frisk. You have to have cops on the ground 24/7 walking the beat and being present.

And as others have said, dc, md, va. They all need strong constitutional carry and stand your ground and 100% homestead/ property protection.

If I blow away some punk caught breaking into my car, the only thing I should ever have to deal with is a big thank you for taking out the trash.

No threat of jail, prosecution, etc. 100% protection from any and all recourse.

Then DC will become safer.

In this world you describe, even criminals can get away with murder because they can just claim the person was breaking into their car and make sh*t up. I don't want to live in that world.

No, you’d actually have to have some evidence. But criminals need consequences.
Not that you should admit it, but I highly doubt you live in a high crime neighborhood.

I do not want a world of vigilante justice where people kill for a car break in and your life isn't remotely in danger. I am sister to a state police officer and good friends with a few other cops who are MPD. Nobody wants a vigilante world including them.

And FWIW, I live in NE DC in a high crime area highly criticized in DCUM whenever the neighborhood is mentioned.

A car break in is worth a call to the police. Not some dumb idiot who thinks he's rambo or hopped up on his latest game of COD now shooting into a DC street when nobody's life is in danger. If a life is actually in danger, go forth, but make sure you can actually shoot because wild DC shots are known to penetrate windows. I've got friends who found bullets in their house and know of a parent who found a bullet in their kid's crib.

If your wild shooting at someone for a bleeping car break in ended up meaning a bullet landed in my house, let alone harmed a member of my family, I'd sue the crap out of you.

To be clear, your scenario is a complete fabrication. At this point, we don't know what transpired when this homeowner went out to investigate the sounds he heard. I have not seen any indication that he simply started shooting wildly.

I was not replying re: this specific scenario but to the PP who stated "If I blow away some punk caught breaking into my car, the only thing I should ever have to deal with is a big thank you for taking out the trash."

That specific response endorces vigilante justice without the threat of loss of life, ans no that's not ok.

[Anonymous]

It’s not the police; it’s the Council. Keep voting losers out for themselves and hugs for criminals and you get what you get and you don’t get to complain 😏

Frankly I think we need federal rule until we can prove we can govern a viable safe world capital city

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you want to reduce crime in dc you have to bring back nyc stop and frisk. You have to have cops on the ground 24/7 walking the beat and being present.

And as others have said, dc, md, va. They all need strong constitutional carry and stand your ground and 100% homestead/ property protection.

If I blow away some punk caught breaking into my car, the only thing I should ever have to deal with is a big thank you for taking out the trash.

No threat of jail, prosecution, etc. 100% protection from any and all recourse.

Then DC will become safer.

In this world you describe, even criminals can get away with murder because they can just claim the person was breaking into their car and make sh*t up. I don't want to live in that world.

No, you’d actually have to have some evidence. But criminals need consequences.
Not that you should admit it, but I highly doubt you live in a high crime neighborhood.

I do not want a world of vigilante justice where people kill for a car break in and your life isn't remotely in danger. I am sister to a state police officer and good friends with a few other cops who are MPD. Nobody wants a vigilante world including them.

And FWIW, I live in NE DC in a high crime area highly criticized in DCUM whenever the neighborhood is mentioned.

A car break in is worth a call to the police. Not some dumb idiot who thinks he's rambo or hopped up on his latest game of COD now shooting into a DC street when nobody's life is in danger. If a life is actually in danger, go forth, but make sure you can actually shoot because wild DC shots are known to penetrate windows. I've got friends who found bullets in their house and know of a parent who found a bullet in their kid's crib.

If your wild shooting at someone for a bleeping car break in ended up meaning a bullet landed in my house, let alone harmed a member of my family, I'd sue the crap out of you.

To be clear, your scenario is a complete fabrication. At this point, we don't know what transpired when this homeowner went out to investigate the sounds he heard. I have not seen any indication that he simply started shooting wildly.

Bobby trap the car with permanent paint like the bills in the bank? That’d be hilarious and a good deterrent. I’d buy that.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I thought DC crime overall had dropped in 2022.[/quote]

It has.

Dollars to donuts none of the tough-on-crime posters in this thread live in DC. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't even live in the metro region. [/quote]


I agree. They’re likely right wing trolls who love to criticize DC.[/quote]

They're truly pathetic. [/quote]
Look in the mirror.
Better yet, look outside your front door.[/quote]

+1. The PP you were responding to is just sad and delusional. I live in upper NW, and am a 45 year old black man who has lived in DC my entire life besides college. I am highly concerned about crime and the direction that this city is headed, yet according to them I don’t live here and am a “right wing troll”. Just exhausting dealing with these people — really makes me feel like I have no voice. In the real world however many of my neighbors feel the same way I do about crime.

[Anonymous]

https://wjla.com/amp/news/local/two-2-juveniles-children-shot-dc-14th-street-sheridan-northwest-brightwood-takoma-metrobus-mpd-metropolitan-police-crime-shooting-gun-violence

Two more children shot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you want to reduce crime in dc you have to bring back nyc stop and frisk. You have to have cops on the ground 24/7 walking the beat and being present.

And as others have said, dc, md, va. They all need strong constitutional carry and stand your ground and 100% homestead/ property protection.

If I blow away some punk caught breaking into my car, the only thing I should ever have to deal with is a big thank you for taking out the trash.

No threat of jail, prosecution, etc. 100% protection from any and all recourse.

Then DC will become safer.

In this world you describe, even criminals can get away with murder because they can just claim the person was breaking into their car and make sh*t up. I don't want to live in that world.

No, you’d actually have to have some evidence. But criminals need consequences.
Not that you should admit it, but I highly doubt you live in a high crime neighborhood.

I do not want a world of vigilante justice where people kill for a car break in and your life isn't remotely in danger. I am sister to a state police officer and good friends with a few other cops who are MPD. Nobody wants a vigilante world including them.

And FWIW, I live in NE DC in a high crime area highly criticized in DCUM whenever the neighborhood is mentioned.

A car break in is worth a call to the police. Not some dumb idiot who thinks he's rambo or hopped up on his latest game of COD now shooting into a DC street when nobody's life is in danger. If a life is actually in danger, go forth, but make sure you can actually shoot because wild DC shots are known to penetrate windows. I've got friends who found bullets in their house and know of a parent who found a bullet in their kid's crib.

If your wild shooting at someone for a bleeping car break in ended up meaning a bullet landed in my house, let alone harmed a member of my family, I'd sue the crap out of you.

To be clear, your scenario is a complete fabrication. At this point, we don't know what transpired when this homeowner went out to investigate the sounds he heard. I have not seen any indication that he simply started shooting wildly.

So true, insane how many assumptions are being made. Why can we assume the 13 year old was trying to hurt him? Or had a weapon? I will wait for facts. Right now the facts I know are teens are dangerous in DC, legal.ststem sucks and these boys were out in a stolen car.