Mass shooting at lgbt nightclub in Co

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's been bothering me for a couple of days that this thread is in the "political" forum.

Why is a thread about a mass shooting something that is "political"? Is domestic terrorism "political" or is it something else? I wonder and worry about what we are letting come into the light when there is space for political debate around events like this.

This was a hate crime. It's not a set of agriculture policies that reasonable people could debate over and have different views on.

I think its because its the closest thing to a national news section. There are other regional forums though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Suspect's lawyers say their client is nonbinary and uses they/them pronouns.

https://www.axios.com/2022/11/23/colorado-club-shooting-suspect-non-binary-attorneys-say

That’s just strange

Pretty solid defense against the hate crime charge. How can it be a hate crime if he’s a member of the group? Very clever lawyer.

I don't know if there is any other evidence to substantiate the non-binary claim, but there was something mentioned in a CNN article that he changed his name in his teens...I imagine the reason was the new identity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Suspect's lawyers say their client is nonbinary and uses they/them pronouns.

https://www.axios.com/2022/11/23/colorado-club-shooting-suspect-non-binary-attorneys-say

That’s just strange

In what way?

Because it indicates that the shooter was part of the LGBTQ+ community, and not a right-winger radicalized by online rhetoric as was quickly assumed and announced by CNN, MSNBC, the NYT and so on.

Similar to how the shooter at the Pulse nightclub had been seen at the gay nightclub before and stated that the shooting was in revenge for the killing of Abu
Waheeb by American forces.

The narrative of an “epidemic of hate” against the LGBTQ+ community is just false. We have a broken society. We have ludicrously easy access to guns. We have a gutted middle class. We have hopelessness amongst our young people. They don’t see a path towards getting a good job, buying a home, building a family. We’re just broken and I don’t think anyone sees a way out. It’s much easier to demonize people than it is to find a solution to our problems.

[Anonymous]

A hater can target their own community.

[Anonymous]

This is caused by Shapiro et al.

Getting an LGBTQ+ individual to internalize their hatred is like a pudding for them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A hater can target their own community.

Indeed they can. But you can see the disappointment and anger on the CNN panel’s faces

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is caused by Shapiro et al.

Getting an LGBTQ+ individual to internalize their hatred is like a pudding for them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A hater can target their own community.

Indeed they can. But you can see the disappointment and anger on the CNN panel’s faces

What faces? Not on any segments I watched.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A hater can target their own community.

Indeed they can. But you can see the disappointment and anger on the CNN panel’s faces

Just watch fox news. No anger there. They don't even cover the crime. They cover the coverage of the crime so perfect for you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is caused by Shapiro et al.

Getting an LGBTQ+ individual to internalize their hatred is like a pudding for them.

That’s a pretty desperate take.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Suspect's lawyers say their client is nonbinary and uses they/them pronouns.

https://www.axios.com/2022/11/23/colorado-club-shooting-suspect-non-binary-attorneys-say

That’s just strange

In what way?

Because it indicates that the shooter was part of the LGBTQ+ community, and not a right-winger radicalized by online rhetoric as was quickly assumed and announced by CNN, MSNBC, the NYT and so on.

Similar to how the shooter at the Pulse nightclub had been seen at the gay nightclub before and stated that the shooting was in revenge for the killing of Abu
Waheeb by American forces.

The narrative of an “epidemic of hate” against the LGBTQ+ community is just false. We have a broken society. We have ludicrously easy access to guns. We have a gutted middle class. We have hopelessness amongst our young people. They don’t see a path towards getting a good job, buying a home, building a family. We’re just broken and I don’t think anyone sees a way out. It’s much easier to demonize people than it is to find a solution to our problems.

Is that narrative false?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Suspect's lawyers say their client is nonbinary and uses they/them pronouns.

https://www.axios.com/2022/11/23/colorado-club-shooting-suspect-non-binary-attorneys-say

That’s just strange

In what way?

Because it indicates that the shooter was part of the LGBTQ+ community, and not a right-winger radicalized by online rhetoric as was quickly assumed and announced by CNN, MSNBC, the NYT and so on.

Similar to how the shooter at the Pulse nightclub had been seen at the gay nightclub before and stated that the shooting was in revenge for the killing of Abu
Waheeb by American forces.

The narrative of an “epidemic of hate” against the LGBTQ+ community is just false. We have a broken society. We have ludicrously easy access to guns. We have a gutted middle class. We have hopelessness amongst our young people. They don’t see a path towards getting a good job, buying a home, building a family. We’re just broken and I don’t think anyone sees a way out. It’s much easier to demonize people than it is to find a solution to our problems.

Is that narrative false?

He is such a POS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Suspect's lawyers say their client is nonbinary and uses they/them pronouns.

https://www.axios.com/2022/11/23/colorado-club-shooting-suspect-non-binary-attorneys-say

That’s just strange

Pretty solid defense against the hate crime charge. How can it be a hate crime if he’s a member of the group? Very clever lawyer.

Being nonbinary doesn't preclude committing a hate crime against gay people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Suspect's lawyers say their client is nonbinary and uses they/them pronouns.

https://www.axios.com/2022/11/23/colorado-club-shooting-suspect-non-binary-attorneys-say

That’s just strange

Pretty solid defense against the hate crime charge. How can it be a hate crime if he’s a member of the group? Very clever lawyer.

Being nonbinary doesn't preclude committing a hate crime against gay people.

+1. Not at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Suspect's lawyers say their client is nonbinary and uses they/them pronouns.

https://www.axios.com/2022/11/23/colorado-club-shooting-suspect-non-binary-attorneys-say

That’s just strange

In what way?

Because it indicates that the shooter was part of the LGBTQ+ community, and not a right-winger radicalized by online rhetoric as was quickly assumed and announced by CNN, MSNBC, the NYT and so on.

Similar to how the shooter at the Pulse nightclub had been seen at the gay nightclub before and stated that the shooting was in revenge for the killing of Abu
Waheeb by American forces.

The narrative of an “epidemic of hate” against the LGBTQ+ community is just false. We have a broken society. We have ludicrously easy access to guns. We have a gutted middle class. We have hopelessness amongst our young people. They don’t see a path towards getting a good job, buying a home, building a family. We’re just broken and I don’t think anyone sees a way out. It’s much easier to demonize people than it is to find a solution to our problems.

How could you say that? The trans community is especially being targeted. People would rather close local libraries than have lgbt books or drag queens read stories to kids. It’s considered abuse for parents to get their kids treatment in some states. Quit trying to gloss over the hate, which is real. Do you think the shooter shot up the club out of solidarity? It’s either self loathing brought on by all the hate messages they’re receiving, or they’re lying about how they identify to confuse the situation.