Asian kindergarten students more likely to display advanced math, science skills, new study finds

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone undertake such a study?

More evidence that the achievement gap starts in the home, not the school system.

Haven't you seen how Asian parents push their kids? No down time. They're having them count billboards while driving down a highway.

It doesn't mean the kids are smarter than other groups. It means the parents push them.

[Anonymous]

I love the fake testimony of non-Asian posters here. "My kids did not get any enrichment at home" "My kid was able to make it to TJ after the new revised admission policy that took every B student" "My kid has an onlyfans site and got into Harvard business school" Ha ha!

Are any Asian parents so stupid to follow your example? We will continue to make sure our kids excel by investing in their education, sports, EC activities, jobs, internships etc.

We do not care if the achievement gap turns into an achievement chasm or achievement grand canyon. Let the non-Asians continue to lower standards and dumb down America further. We have learned to ignore these slackers and duffers.

[Anonymous]

Asians breastfeed their infants. Obviously they will be smarter and more intelligent. Nature and nurture, both helps to build up their intelligence.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To quote the study, "The antecedent factor of family socioeconomic status and the propensity factors of student science, mathematics, and reading achievement by kindergarten consistently explained whether students displayed advanced science or mathematics achievement during first, second, third, fourth, or fifth grade."

So this isn't about race, it's really about socioeconomic status of the family.

Race and SES are highly correlated

Not always. In NYC, for example, the Asian community there is among the poorest if not the poorest. Yet, they are highly represented in NYC magnet schools.

Yep, Stuyvesant is actually high FARMs. Close to 50% FARMs and the FARMs group is disproportionately Asian, especially the kids of poor working class Chinese immigrants in the outer boroughs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Disparities in advanced math and science skills among different racial backgrounds emerge early on in a student’s development, a new study has found.

The study, conducted by researchers from Pennsylvania State University, University of California, Irvine and University of Texas Health Science Center, found that 16% of Asian students displayed advanced math skills during kindergarten.

The percentage dropped slightly for white students at 13% while both Black and Hispanic students were at 4%.

The findings, first published in Sage Journals on Nov. 8, come from an analysis of a national sample of around 11,000 U.S. elementary school students, covering the start of kindergarten until the end of fifth grade.

The disparities remained consistent throughout elementary years, with 22% of Asian students displaying advanced math skills by fifth grade. In the same grade, 13% of white students, 3% of Hispanic students and 2% of Black students registered the same skills.

The disparities are similarly reflected in advanced science skills.

https://news.yahoo.com/asian-kindergarten-students-more-likely-230230196.html

Amazing. So the Asian-American kids started out advanced and then became even smarter in higher classes? 22% (Asians) vs 18% (White and URM)? Holy moly. Has anyone done a study of intelligence in the first year of life? Or measure the brain activities of children when they are in ES? It would be fascinating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To quote the study, "The antecedent factor of family socioeconomic status and the propensity factors of student science, mathematics, and reading achievement by kindergarten consistently explained whether students displayed advanced science or mathematics achievement during first, second, third, fourth, or fifth grade."

So this isn't about race, it's really about socioeconomic status of the family.

Even poor East Asians send their kids to get extra math instruction, per all the discussions of NYC's elite public schools. I'd say thats a cultural/racial issue and NOT a social economic one.

It's actually more common with lower-income Asians. We are UMC Asians (born here) and our kids are doing fun activities and classes.

I agree with this. Part of the pushing is that working class Asians see academics for their kids as the only way out of poverty—it’s their only chance and their golden ticket. Their base school if they don’t get into a magnet is usually horrible and dangerous. Parents can’t move and work three jobs in the city.

UMC Asians don’t have the same pressure. They’ve already made it out of poverty. If their kid doesn’t get into a magnet, their base school is ok and/or they can afford private or to move to the suburbs in Long Island or Westchester.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone undertake such a study?

More evidence that the achievement gap starts in the home, not the school system.

Haven't you seen how Asian parents push their kids? No down time. They're having them count billboards while driving down a highway.

It doesn't mean the kids are smarter than other groups. It means the parents push them.

So non-Asian parents are slackers? They should have done better?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone undertake such a study?

More evidence that the achievement gap starts in the home, not the school system.

Haven't you seen how Asian parents push their kids? No down time. They're having them count billboards while driving down a highway.

It doesn't mean the kids are smarter than other groups. It means the parents push them.

Check your racism. When non Asians ask their kids to count billboards it’s a cute Instagram hack to get their kids to stay occupied and learn! How wonderful! When Asians do it it’s “pushing” and “ tiger parenting.”

[Anonymous]

I don't understand. Non-Asians know what needs to be done to have high performing kids, but choose not to do it. But then they are butt-hurt that their kids are not high performing?

Maybe their children inherited their intelligence?

[Anonymous]

What to do? What to do???

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To quote the study, "The antecedent factor of family socioeconomic status and the propensity factors of student science, mathematics, and reading achievement by kindergarten consistently explained whether students displayed advanced science or mathematics achievement during first, second, third, fourth, or fifth grade."

So this isn't about race, it's really about socioeconomic status of the family.

Even poor East Asians send their kids to get extra math instruction, per all the discussions of NYC's elite public schools. I'd say thats a cultural/racial issue and NOT a social economic one.

It's actually more common with lower-income Asians. We are UMC Asians (born here) and our kids are doing fun activities and classes.

I agree with this. Part of the pushing is that working class Asians see academics for their kids as the only way out of poverty—it’s their only chance and their golden ticket. Their base school if they don’t get into a magnet is usually horrible and dangerous. Parents can’t move and work three jobs in the city.

UMC Asians don’t have the same pressure. They’ve already made it out of poverty. If their kid doesn’t get into a magnet, their base school is ok and/or they can afford private or to move to the suburbs in Long Island or Westchester.

I would say it’s more a difference between immigrants and 2nd generation kids. Many Asian immigrants come from a culture where cram schools and tutors are the norm, so they make their kids do it too. Kids who grow up here see it isn’t so necessarily and don’t push their kids the same way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone undertake such a study?

More evidence that the achievement gap starts in the home, not the school system.

Haven't you seen how Asian parents push their kids? No down time. They're having them count billboards while driving down a highway.

It doesn't mean the kids are smarter than other groups. It means the parents push them.

Many here argue they're smarter. Let's be honest at least.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone undertake such a study?

More evidence that the achievement gap starts in the home, not the school system.

This is probably the bigger issue if Asian's (and some others like us) supplement at home and put our kids in more academically geared preschools. Maybe we should start looking at the play based preschools that are not preparing kids for K.

My kids went to an entirely play-based preschool and we never supplemented with academics. We did read to our kids a lot. Both kids were plenty prepared for Kindergarten. And actually tons of kids from our preschool are in AAP.

Same here. My kid went on to TJ and was a National Merit Scholar, while doing sports all three seasons at TJ and also participating in an outside of school high level competitive sport. There was never a need for outside supplementation.

These are the students being left behind, now. According to DCUM, your child is a figment of the imagination.

Hmm, not sure what you mean here. My child and his experiences are very real. An intelligent kid does not need a lot of outside “enrichment.” And outside supplementation does not make a child any more intelligent than they already are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone undertake such a study?

More evidence that the achievement gap starts in the home, not the school system.

Haven't you seen how Asian parents push their kids? No down time. They're having them count billboards while driving down a highway.

It doesn't mean the kids are smarter than other groups. It means the parents push them.

So non-Asian parents are slackers? They should have done better?

Are you being deliberately obtuse? It's a cultural thing, not an intelligence thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone undertake such a study?

More evidence that the achievement gap starts in the home, not the school system.

Haven't you seen how Asian parents push their kids? No down time. They're having them count billboards while driving down a highway.

It doesn't mean the kids are smarter than other groups. It means the parents push them.

Check your racism. When non Asians ask their kids to count billboards it’s a cute Instagram hack to get their kids to stay occupied and learn! How wonderful! When Asians do it it’s “pushing” and “ tiger parenting.”

+1 this board is eye opening in terms of racism toward Asian Americans