Asian kindergarten students more likely to display advanced math, science skills, new study finds

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To quote the study, "The antecedent factor of family socioeconomic status and the propensity factors of student science, mathematics, and reading achievement by kindergarten consistently explained whether students displayed advanced science or mathematics achievement during first, second, third, fourth, or fifth grade."

So this isn't about race, it's really about socioeconomic status of the family.

Race and SES are highly correlated

Not always. In NYC, for example, the Asian community there is among the poorest if not the poorest. Yet, they are highly represented in NYC magnet schools.

Inconvenient Truth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To quote the study, "The antecedent factor of family socioeconomic status and the propensity factors of student science, mathematics, and reading achievement by kindergarten consistently explained whether students displayed advanced science or mathematics achievement during first, second, third, fourth, or fifth grade."

So this isn't about race, it's really about socioeconomic status of the family.

Race and SES are highly correlated

Not always. In NYC, for example, the Asian community there is among the poorest if not the poorest. Yet, they are highly represented in NYC magnet schools.

Highly correlated does not mean perfectly correlated but there is a strong connection. We can point to the outliers but those remain outliers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think everyone knows that achievement starts in the home. Is this even up for debate?

Some of this is cultural. One of the other moms (a recent immigrant) in my kid's K classroom looked aghast when I said I'd taught my kid to read. She said no way- isn't that what school is for? She didn't want to mess up the instruction her kid would receive in K.

I don't know any Asian immigrant who would be aghast at teaching your kids to read at home.

Maybe the immigrant wasn't Asian?

ok, sorry, but OP's thread topic is "Asian", and we were talking about the home environment being key, so...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To quote the study, "The antecedent factor of family socioeconomic status and the propensity factors of student science, mathematics, and reading achievement by kindergarten consistently explained whether students displayed advanced science or mathematics achievement during first, second, third, fourth, or fifth grade."

So this isn't about race, it's really about socioeconomic status of the family.

I’m glad they were honest about this. Totally sick of racial finding studies that do not control for income. Without that you simply cannot pretend your findings are about race; they may be or they may be about SES levels. Controlling for income is not that hard and should be fine consistently.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To quote the study, "The antecedent factor of family socioeconomic status and the propensity factors of student science, mathematics, and reading achievement by kindergarten consistently explained whether students displayed advanced science or mathematics achievement during first, second, third, fourth, or fifth grade."

So this isn't about race, it's really about socioeconomic status of the family.

Race and SES are highly correlated

Not always. In NYC, for example, the Asian community there is among the poorest if not the poorest. Yet, they are highly represented in NYC magnet schools.

Same in San Francisco and their magnet school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To quote the study, "The antecedent factor of family socioeconomic status and the propensity factors of student science, mathematics, and reading achievement by kindergarten consistently explained whether students displayed advanced science or mathematics achievement during first, second, third, fourth, or fifth grade."

So this isn't about race, it's really about socioeconomic status of the family.

Race and SES are highly correlated

Not always. In NYC, for example, the Asian community there is among the poorest if not the poorest. Yet, they are highly represented in NYC magnet schools.

This is fake news.

https://council.nyc.gov/data/school-diversity-in-nyc/

"Poverty in Specialized High Schools

Students at the specialized high schools are less likely to be in poverty than students city wide.

While 74% of students city wide experience poverty, fewer than 50% of students at specialized high schools experience poverty."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To quote the study, "The antecedent factor of family socioeconomic status and the propensity factors of student science, mathematics, and reading achievement by kindergarten consistently explained whether students displayed advanced science or mathematics achievement during first, second, third, fourth, or fifth grade."

So this isn't about race, it's really about socioeconomic status of the family.

Race and SES are highly correlated

Not always. In NYC, for example, the Asian community there is among the poorest if not the poorest. Yet, they are highly represented in NYC magnet schools.

This is fake news.

https://council.nyc.gov/data/school-diversity-in-nyc/

"Poverty in Specialized High Schools

Students at the specialized high schools are less likely to be in poverty than students city wide.

While 74% of students city wide experience poverty, fewer than 50% of students at specialized high schools experience poverty."

Your statement does not disprove PP's. Btw if all they can say is "fewer than 50%" that suggests that a decent number of students at specialized schools do experience poverty, which is pretty remarkable when you think about it given the advantages SES confers.

[Anonymous]

What always surprises me is that people fervently believe that bilingual exposure is important for young children, yet somehow don't believe that exposure to other subjects (like math) is important. I suspect the youngest years are critical across a large number of academic dimensions, and that we're missing the boat by not focusing on academics at that age.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To quote the study, "The antecedent factor of family socioeconomic status and the propensity factors of student science, mathematics, and reading achievement by kindergarten consistently explained whether students displayed advanced science or mathematics achievement during first, second, third, fourth, or fifth grade."

So this isn't about race, it's really about socioeconomic status of the family.

Race and SES are highly correlated

Not always. In NYC, for example, the Asian community there is among the poorest if not the poorest. Yet, they are highly represented in NYC magnet schools.

This is fake news.

https://council.nyc.gov/data/school-diversity-in-nyc/

"Poverty in Specialized High Schools

Students at the specialized high schools are less likely to be in poverty than students city wide.

While 74% of students city wide experience poverty, fewer than 50% of students at specialized high schools experience poverty."

According to the charts in your link the two specialized schools with the lowest poverty also have the lowest number of Asians by percentage. On the other hand the school with the highest poverty has the most Asians by percentage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone undertake such a study?

Why wouldn’t they?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone undertake such a study?

More evidence that the achievement gap starts in the home, not the school system.

Did we need more evidence of this? I mean, I guess yes we did. I would guess that Asian and White parents are more likely to read to their kids and play games that involve counting and numbers with their kids which is why their kids are ahead. Asian families are more likely to supplement in STEM fields then White families which si why the percent of Asian kids who are ahead increases and the White kids is stagnant.

This is hardly surprising.

Many Asian parents cannot read to their kids in English and such disadvantage does not apply to black parents.

+ 1

This is well documented in NYC, where poor Asian parents who are only able to find work as labor in Chinatown because they are uneducated and cannot speak English, have kids who are in magnet programs. They are to be lauded for being the kinds of parents who can make every sacrifice and live in almost penury to educate their kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What always surprises me is that people fervently believe that bilingual exposure is important for young children, yet somehow don't believe that exposure to other subjects (like math) is important. I suspect the youngest years are critical across a large number of academic dimensions, and that we're missing the boat by not focusing on academics at that age.

This.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone undertake such a study?

More evidence that the achievement gap starts in the home, not the school system.

This is probably the bigger issue if Asian's (and some others like us) supplement at home and put our kids in more academically geared preschools. Maybe we should start looking at the play based preschools that are not preparing kids for K.

Oh you guys! Always cutting your nose to spite your face, no? Make everything and everyone dumber. It will not prevent Asian-American parents from teaching their kids at home. Asian-Americans are educated parents. They will at least pass on their own skills and knowledge to their children.

Achievement gap is a symptom of a huge problem. The problem is that the home life of an underperforming student is typically not conducive to academic achievement. Achievement gap has nothing to with Asian-Americans. That is not the problem of Asian-Americans. It is a problem that Asians did not create, did not contribute, and can not solve. I don't understand why Asian-Americans are targeted because others are failing? Can you explain to me the logic of that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To quote the study, "The antecedent factor of family socioeconomic status and the propensity factors of student science, mathematics, and reading achievement by kindergarten consistently explained whether students displayed advanced science or mathematics achievement during first, second, third, fourth, or fifth grade."

So this isn't about race, it's really about socioeconomic status of the family.

Race and SES are highly correlated

Not always. In NYC, for example, the Asian community there is among the poorest if not the poorest. Yet, they are highly represented in NYC magnet schools.

Highly correlated does not mean perfectly correlated but there is a strong connection. We can point to the outliers but those remain outliers.

Over a million kids are enrolled in NYC Public Schools. That's almost twice as large as the next public school district, Los Angeles USD. To put it into perspective NYC Public Schools has more students than all of Maryland and only somewhat less than Virginia. Only about 15 states have more students in their public schools.

It's the largest school system in the world, but sure, let's ignore NYC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone undertake such a study?

More evidence that the achievement gap starts in the home, not the school system.

This is probably the bigger issue if Asian's (and some others like us) supplement at home and put our kids in more academically geared preschools. Maybe we should start looking at the play based preschools that are not preparing kids for K.

Oh you guys! Always cutting your nose to spite your face, no? Make everything and everyone dumber. It will not prevent Asian-American parents from teaching their kids at home. Asian-Americans are educated parents. They will at least pass on their own skills and knowledge to their children.

Achievement gap is a symptom of a huge problem. The problem is that the home life of an underperforming student is typically not conducive to academic achievement. Achievement gap has nothing to with Asian-Americans. That is not the problem of Asian-Americans. It is a problem that Asians did not create, did not contribute, and can not solve. I don't understand why Asian-Americans are targeted because others are failing? Can you explain to me the logic of that?

I’m not Asian and taught my kids at home. Many of us do. Maybe we should follow their lead if their kids are doing better.