Karl Frisch running for House of Delegates

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Looks like three posts in a row were written by Frisch or an FCDC insider. Not surprised, but they also fail to acknowledge how bad many of Frisch's decisions have been (for example, Blake Lane/Dunn Loring) and how he's widely disliked because he comes across as so blatantly self-centered.

If he's in the "mainstream," it's only because the School Board has drifted so far left into crazy land that posturing and poor decision-making became accepted as the norm.

This was me, and I’m not an FCDC member. And you’re right, I’m not in Frisch’s district. I’m a teacher and parent and found him responsive the times I wrote to him…in substantive ways where he actually took action about something. I am not familiar with the Blake Lane/Dunn Loring issue but I have watched at least every other SB meeting since COVID, as well as a few work sessions, and he has appeared well prepared and reasonable.

Totally legit to disagree with his stances on the dog park or whatever, but these repeated posts calling him an idiot and imbecile made no sense to me. I could name several others on the SB who I’d rank higher on the dimwit scale, which I know is faint praise. It just gets my spidey sense tingling to see all of these very personal nasty comments rather than the criticisms of substance, which it seems the Blake/Dunn Loring thing is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Gosh I'm so tired of people using the School Board as a stepping stone to higher offices. Meanwhile, those folks that were dedicated to the school board position were voted or pushed out. As for Karl, good riddance.

Why is it a surprise that some people consider elections to lower level offices a step toward aiming for higher office? If someone runs for higher office without having been elected to loser offices, we say they aren’t qualified or have no experience. But then whenever people aim for higher office after they have had experience, people blast them for using their current office as a stepping stone. You’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t. People just love to hate politicians no matter what they do.

This is true. What makes Frisch stand out in this regard, is that: 1) if he gets Keam’s spot, he would be completely abandoning his school district and leaving the children of the providence district without representation while he tries to climb the political ladder. And, 2) he never seemed all that devoted or committed to the school district anyway. I never saw him at events, he rarely ever responded to my emails, and didn’t seem to have a clue as to what was actually going on for children during the past few years. I don’t fault politicians for moving up to more and more responsibility, but I do fault them when they are just clearly climbers with no connection to the office they hold, or to their community.

[Anonymous]

I’d like to see Frisch go, but there is also something galling about the notion that he won’t be around on the School Board when FCPS has to grapple with the consequences of some of his poor decisions, such as the Dunn Loring debacle, which (unless abandoned) is going to require a largely unnecessary shuffling of the boundaries at multiple elementary schools in the Marshall HS pyramid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’d like to see Frisch go, but there is also something galling about the notion that he won’t be around on the School Board when FCPS has to grapple with the consequences of some of his poor decisions, such as the Dunn Loring debacle, which (unless abandoned) is going to require a largely unnecessary shuffling of the boundaries at multiple elementary schools in the Marshall HS pyramid.

Didn’t FCPS already hire the architect who is designing the renovated Dunn Loring School. I don’t know if it can still be blocked. The wheels are in motion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’d like to see Frisch go, but there is also something galling about the notion that he won’t be around on the School Board when FCPS has to grapple with the consequences of some of his poor decisions, such as the Dunn Loring debacle, which (unless abandoned) is going to require a largely unnecessary shuffling of the boundaries at multiple elementary schools in the Marshall HS pyramid.

I don't see a debacle but a solution to a problem - the site could be run like an APS option school or an FCPS elementary magnet for transportation. Kent Gardens 121%? Plus that attendance area has a lot of real estate rolling over from empty nesters and retirees. I see a place for immersion-FLI, sped, AAP?

Any other ideas on what to do with programs impacting capacity? FCPS used to move them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like three posts in a row were written by Frisch or an FCDC insider. Not surprised, but they also fail to acknowledge how bad many of Frisch's decisions have been (for example, Blake Lane/Dunn Loring) and how he's widely disliked because he comes across as so blatantly self-centered.

If he's in the "mainstream," it's only because the School Board has drifted so far left into crazy land that posturing and poor decision-making became accepted as the norm.

This was me, and I’m not an FCDC member. And you’re right, I’m not in Frisch’s district. I’m a teacher and parent and found him responsive the times I wrote to him…in substantive ways where he actually took action about something. I am not familiar with the Blake Lane/Dunn Loring issue but I have watched at least every other SB meeting since COVID, as well as a few work sessions, and he has appeared well prepared and reasonable.

Totally legit to disagree with his stances on the dog park or whatever, but these repeated posts calling him an idiot and imbecile made no sense to me. I could name several others on the SB who I’d rank higher on the dimwit scale, which I know is faint praise. It just gets my spidey sense tingling to see all of these very personal nasty comments rather than the criticisms of substance, which it seems the Blake/Dunn Loring thing is.

Well you just fully admitted you nothing about the key issue that most parents that live in his district are upset with him about, so you have lost all credibility.

I'm going to guess that you contacted him early in the pandemic to ask that schools remain close and then later on to ask that it stay virtual. See, I contacted him in summer 2020 to ask that they open schools under the hybrid program that they promised and he completely talked over me and mansplained and tried to convince me I was wrong. I tried again in the winter to beg them to open up schools, and he did the exact same thing. Then he stopped doing office hours. Can't stand him.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’d like to see Frisch go, but there is also something galling about the notion that he won’t be around on the School Board when FCPS has to grapple with the consequences of some of his poor decisions, such as the Dunn Loring debacle, which (unless abandoned) is going to require a largely unnecessary shuffling of the boundaries at multiple elementary schools in the Marshall HS pyramid.

I don't see a debacle but a solution to a problem - the site could be run like an APS option school or an FCPS elementary magnet for transportation. Kent Gardens 121%? Plus that attendance area has a lot of real estate rolling over from empty nesters and retirees. I see a place for immersion-FLI, sped, AAP?

Any other ideas on what to do with programs impacting capacity? FCPS used to move them.

This is a bunch of babble that just underscores that FCPS will have to come up with something later to justify the Dunn Loring renovation that they never actually had in mind when Frisch rerouted the money from the planned Fairfax/Oakton project further west in Providence in order to preserve Blake Lane Park.

Dunn Loring is not close to Kent Gardens, which is in a different magisterial district, at all. Nor is it in an area that is seeing a lot of residential turnover right now. FCPS projects most of the ES near Dunn Loring to be at 60-80% capacity around the time Dunn Loring might reopen. If any new ES in Vienna/Dunn Loring/Tyson’s/McLean were needed, it would be further east in Tysons. But it will end up harder to build such a school, because there’s going to be such a big glut of space further west in Vienna/Dunn Loring. The boundaries will get torn up to justify Frisch’s folly, and Tysons likely won’t get the type of community school that might help convince people it’s actually a place you’d want to live with younger kids.

At no time did Frisch provide any real vision for what reopening Dunn Loring might acccomplish (other than preserving Blake Lane), but his colleagues on the SB went along with his hare-brained scheme because they are all from the same party and were too tired from dealing with Covid-related issues to exercise any independent judgment. They all failed the county’s taxpayers, but Frisch most of all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’d like to see Frisch go, but there is also something galling about the notion that he won’t be around on the School Board when FCPS has to grapple with the consequences of some of his poor decisions, such as the Dunn Loring debacle, which (unless abandoned) is going to require a largely unnecessary shuffling of the boundaries at multiple elementary schools in the Marshall HS pyramid.

I don't see a debacle but a solution to a problem - the site could be run like an APS option school or an FCPS elementary magnet for transportation. Kent Gardens 121%? Plus that attendance area has a lot of real estate rolling over from empty nesters and retirees. I see a place for immersion-FLI, sped, AAP?

Any other ideas on what to do with programs impacting capacity? FCPS used to move them.

This is a bunch of babble that just underscores that FCPS will have to come up with something later to justify the Dunn Loring renovation that they never actually had in mind when Frisch rerouted the money from the planned Fairfax/Oakton project further west in Providence in order to preserve Blake Lane Park.

Dunn Loring is not close to Kent Gardens, which is in a different magisterial district, at all. Nor is it in an area that is seeing a lot of residential turnover right now. FCPS projects most of the ES near Dunn Loring to be at 60-80% capacity around the time Dunn Loring might reopen. If any new ES in Vienna/Dunn Loring/Tyson’s/McLean were needed, it would be further east in Tysons. ..

Dunn Loring is 5 miles from Kent Gardens which received a minimum 37 max 61 from Marshall pyramid schools. FCPS boundaries and program locations are irrespective of magisterial districts. 14 pyramids went to KG excluding Mclean and Langley. 36 elementary schools that do not feed to Langley, Mclean, or Marshall.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’d like to see Frisch go, but there is also something galling about the notion that he won’t be around on the School Board when FCPS has to grapple with the consequences of some of his poor decisions, such as the Dunn Loring debacle, which (unless abandoned) is going to require a largely unnecessary shuffling of the boundaries at multiple elementary schools in the Marshall HS pyramid.

Didn’t FCPS already hire the architect who is designing the renovated Dunn Loring School. I don’t know if it can still be blocked. The wheels are in motion.

I believe they so, but the issue is whether they cut their losses with the initial planning contract or throw good money after bad. Since we’re talking about FCPS, it will likely be the latter. If Frisch has any talent, it will be for leaving the scene by the time FCPS had to grapple with the mess he’s created.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’d like to see Frisch go, but there is also something galling about the notion that he won’t be around on the School Board when FCPS has to grapple with the consequences of some of his poor decisions, such as the Dunn Loring debacle, which (unless abandoned) is going to require a largely unnecessary shuffling of the boundaries at multiple elementary schools in the Marshall HS pyramid.

I don't see a debacle but a solution to a problem - the site could be run like an APS option school or an FCPS elementary magnet for transportation. Kent Gardens 121%? Plus that attendance area has a lot of real estate rolling over from empty nesters and retirees. I see a place for immersion-FLI, sped, AAP?

Any other ideas on what to do with programs impacting capacity? FCPS used to move them.

This is a bunch of babble that just underscores that FCPS will have to come up with something later to justify the Dunn Loring renovation that they never actually had in mind when Frisch rerouted the money from the planned Fairfax/Oakton project further west in Providence in order to preserve Blake Lane Park.

Dunn Loring is not close to Kent Gardens, which is in a different magisterial district, at all. Nor is it in an area that is seeing a lot of residential turnover right now. FCPS projects most of the ES near Dunn Loring to be at 60-80% capacity around the time Dunn Loring might reopen. If any new ES in Vienna/Dunn Loring/Tyson’s/McLean were needed, it would be further east in Tysons. ..

Dunn Loring is 5 miles from Kent Gardens which received a minimum 37 max 61 from Marshall pyramid schools. FCPS boundaries and program locations are irrespective of magisterial districts. 14 pyramids went to KG excluding Mclean and Langley. 36 elementary schools that do not feed to Langley, Mclean, or Marshall.

The solution to overcrowding at KG is to scale back the immersion placements from other schools (already happening) and/or adjust the KG/Franklin Sherman boundaries (FS is much closer and has capacity).

I suppose they could also make Dunn Loring a French immersion school, but neither Frisch nor anyone else specifically had that in mind and it could add a ton of traffic to the Idylwood/Gallows intersection. It’s another indication that the “problem” Frisch thought he was solving had nothing to do with KG, but instead something else (making sure Blake Lane was forever off the table when it came to new school sites).

[Anonymous]

And don’t forget the earlier problem in that area pre-Covid was overcrowding at Shrevewood ES, which could have promptly been addressed by moving part of Shrevewood to Stenwood and part of Stenwood to under-capacity Freedom Hill. Those changes could have already been in place by now, whereas the reopening of Dunn Loring won’t happen for years (and when it does will likely require more extensive boundary changes than otherwise would have been necessary in order to justify the DL project). It will be a mess.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like three posts in a row were written by Frisch or an FCDC insider. Not surprised, but they also fail to acknowledge how bad many of Frisch's decisions have been (for example, Blake Lane/Dunn Loring) and how he's widely disliked because he comes across as so blatantly self-centered.

If he's in the "mainstream," it's only because the School Board has drifted so far left into crazy land that posturing and poor decision-making became accepted as the norm.

This was me, and I’m not an FCDC member. And you’re right, I’m not in Frisch’s district. I’m a teacher and parent and found him responsive the times I wrote to him…in substantive ways where he actually took action about something. I am not familiar with the Blake Lane/Dunn Loring issue but I have watched at least every other SB meeting since COVID, as well as a few work sessions, and he has appeared well prepared and reasonable.

Totally legit to disagree with his stances on the dog park or whatever, but these repeated posts calling him an idiot and imbecile made no sense to me. I could name several others on the SB who I’d rank higher on the dimwit scale, which I know is faint praise. It just gets my spidey sense tingling to see all of these very personal nasty comments rather than the criticisms of substance, which it seems the Blake/Dunn Loring thing is.

Well you just fully admitted you nothing about the key issue that most parents that live in his district are upset with him about, so you have lost all credibility.

I'm going to guess that you contacted him early in the pandemic to ask that schools remain close and then later on to ask that it stay virtual. See, I contacted him in summer 2020 to ask that they open schools under the hybrid program that they promised and he completely talked over me and mansplained and tried to convince me I was wrong. I tried again in the winter to beg them to open up schools, and he did the exact same thing. Then he stopped doing office hours. Can't stand him.

100%. If I were to guess, I would say this is the major issue parents here have with him (just mention “dog park” and people’s blood pressure goes up, even those with dogs who use the park). And number 2, which you so clearly point out, is his utter lack of responsiveness. Everyone has a story of how he ignores their emails. #3 would be the lack of concern (or even awareness?) of how the Covid shutdowns impacted out kids — made all the worse by the fact that the overcrowding at Mosaic Elementary — which he refused to fix because = dog park — resulted in it being one of the schools that was too crowded to do five full days in spring 2021. And he never answered emails about that, either.

But you know what I did get from him, in the height of school shutdowns? A mailer about a virtual birthday party for his partner/fundraiser. Parents all barely holding it together by a thread, and here’s an invite for a fundraiser/virtual comedy show for him and his friends. I will never, ever forget that. It was the nail in the coffin for me, and at least a few other moms. Talk about being out-of-touch and unable to read the room…

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like three posts in a row were written by Frisch or an FCDC insider. Not surprised, but they also fail to acknowledge how bad many of Frisch's decisions have been (for example, Blake Lane/Dunn Loring) and how he's widely disliked because he comes across as so blatantly self-centered.

If he's in the "mainstream," it's only because the School Board has drifted so far left into crazy land that posturing and poor decision-making became accepted as the norm.

This was me, and I’m not an FCDC member. And you’re right, I’m not in Frisch’s district. I’m a teacher and parent and found him responsive the times I wrote to him…in substantive ways where he actually took action about something. I am not familiar with the Blake Lane/Dunn Loring issue but I have watched at least every other SB meeting since COVID, as well as a few work sessions, and he has appeared well prepared and reasonable.

Totally legit to disagree with his stances on the dog park or whatever, but these repeated posts calling him an idiot and imbecile made no sense to me. I could name several others on the SB who I’d rank higher on the dimwit scale, which I know is faint praise. It just gets my spidey sense tingling to see all of these very personal nasty comments rather than the criticisms of substance, which it seems the Blake/Dunn Loring thing is.

Well you just fully admitted you nothing about the key issue that most parents that live in his district are upset with him about, so you have lost all credibility.

I'm going to guess that you contacted him early in the pandemic to ask that schools remain close and then later on to ask that it stay virtual. See, I contacted him in summer 2020 to ask that they open schools under the hybrid program that they promised and he completely talked over me and mansplained and tried to convince me I was wrong. I tried again in the winter to beg them to open up schools, and he did the exact same thing. Then he stopped doing office hours. Can't stand him.

100%. If I were to guess, I would say this is the major issue parents here have with him (just mention “dog park” and people’s blood pressure goes up, even those with dogs who use the park). And number 2, which you so clearly point out, is his utter lack of responsiveness. Everyone has a story of how he ignores their emails. #3 would be the lack of concern (or even awareness?) of how the Covid shutdowns impacted out kids — made all the worse by the fact that the overcrowding at Mosaic Elementary — which he refused to fix because = dog park — resulted in it being one of the schools that was too crowded to do five full days in spring 2021. And he never answered emails about that, either.

But you know what I did get from him, in the height of school shutdowns? A mailer about a virtual birthday party for his partner/fundraiser. Parents all barely holding it together by a thread, and here’s an invite for a fundraiser/virtual comedy show for him and his friends. I will never, ever forget that. It was the nail in the coffin for me, and at least a few other moms. Talk about being out-of-touch and unable to read the room…

He's been an abject failure as a Board member. Elaine Tholen isn't much better. Neither deserves another term on the School Board, much less elevation to a "higher" political office at the county or state level.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And don’t forget the earlier problem in that area pre-Covid was overcrowding at Shrevewood ES, which could have promptly been addressed by moving part of Shrevewood to Stenwood and part of Stenwood to under-capacity Freedom Hill. Those changes could have already been in place by now, whereas the reopening of Dunn Loring won’t happen for years (and when it does will likely require more extensive boundary changes than otherwise would have been necessary in order to justify the DL project). It will be a mess.

Before he butted in, they were going to do a boundary study in Fall 2020 and make changes in Fall 2021. Then Covid happened, and Karl (who is unemployed btw) had too much time on his hands.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And don’t forget the earlier problem in that area pre-Covid was overcrowding at Shrevewood ES, which could have promptly been addressed by moving part of Shrevewood to Stenwood and part of Stenwood to under-capacity Freedom Hill. Those changes could have already been in place by now, whereas the reopening of Dunn Loring won’t happen for years (and when it does will likely require more extensive boundary changes than otherwise would have been necessary in order to justify the DL project). It will be a mess.

Before he butted in, they were going to do a boundary study in Fall 2020 and make changes in Fall 2021. Then Covid happened, and Karl (who is unemployed btw) had too much time on his hands.

That would have been too sensible and positioned Shrevewood for a future, post-Covid return to full enrollment or overcrowding. Instead, he had to play fast and loose with bond money to impress his friends. He needs to be called out for his nonsense, just as his School Board colleagues need to be called out for letting him play games.