Will DC eve go back to being somewhat tough on crime?

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You're not making the case for why carjacking needs to be an offense distinct from armed robbery. Kidnapping is already a crime, if it occurs in the course of a carjacking it can be charged separately. Sometimes armed robberies go horribly wrong and innocent people get killed. This is why offenses have sentencing ranges, so that a judge can look at the facts of the case and set the sentence appropriately.

The proposal isn't to say carjacking is no longer illegal, go crazy. It's to say it's no longer a criminal offense distinct from armed robbery. There's no reason to believe that sentences for carjackers would even go down, they'd just be charged under a different section of the criminal code.

You're right, but you're missing the forest from the trees, here. The point is that drivers are angry their privileged position in the DC transportation food chain is being taken down a peg. Having carjacking being classified as an armed robbery tells DC drivers that they aren't special and should be treated the same as everyone else, whether or not they own a car.

And they hate that, more than anything. Good job, DC, for once.

I'm sticking by my original position that middle class people can envision themselves being the victim of a carjacking, but feel that armed robbery only happens to the "wrong people."

that is an absolutely bizarre accusation.

Not the PP, but I don't think this is that bizarre. I think a lot of MC people subconconnciously think they can mostly avoid being robbed if they stay out of certain neighborhoods or do not go walking after dark. This thinking does not work for carjackings, since people generally feel safe in their cars and the carjackings seem to happen all over the city. There is a lot wrong with this thinking, and I am not saying that you actually can avoid other kinds of robbery or that cars are actually as safe as people think they are. But I do think this is why carjackings seem particularly bad to certain groups.

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To answer your question OP, no.

No, DC will not go back to enforcing laws in the district anytime soon.

You deserve the leadership you voted for.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree OP. Sadly I don’t see the pendulum swinging back. We need a cultural reset. ATVs, dirt bikes and loud cars speeding through intersections at 100 mph with no regard for their fellow humans. 14 yr old car jackers. A mom and child shot by a madman who was going to run them over on a sidewalk. Open air drugging and gambling. It’s Gotham city. I’d like to move, if only I could afford to.

I've lived in the city over 30 years and it was worse 30 years ago. By all accounts the 80's were even worse, and the 70's worse than that. The 60's? Forget about it, they burned the city down. The 50's were pure chaos. During WWII it was anything goes. The Great Depression and the Bonus Army March? Nothing was safe.

It was not worse thirty years ago in the nice parts of the city. There were fewer nice parts, granted, but the crime was not as random as it is now. Same with the ‘80s - there was just a prescribed area where it was “safe.” Now it’s a free for all all over.

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There was just another armed robbery in Navy Yard. They are happening so early.

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Anonymous wrote:They sometimes drag the victim with the car, pin them do they die or kidnap kids left in the car. Do we have to spell it out? Omg the carjacking and ATV apologists will be the downfall of the Democrats. I used to consider myself proudly liberal no more. I’m more in the center.

Who? The only people I ever see defending or cheering on DC's carjackings and ATVs are anonymous trolls on message boards.

Why does DC tolerate ATVs parked next to the Cleveland Park branch library all the time? There’s a voucher-heavy building across the street. As voucher tenants moved it, so did the ATVs.

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Anonymous wrote:They sometimes drag the victim with the car, pin them do they die or kidnap kids left in the car. Do we have to spell it out? Omg the carjacking and ATV apologists will be the downfall of the Democrats. I used to consider myself proudly liberal no more. I’m more in the center.

Who? The only people I ever see defending or cheering on DC's carjackings and ATVs are anonymous trolls on message boards.

Why does DC tolerate ATVs parked next to the Cleveland Park branch library all the time? There’s a voucher-heavy building across the street. As voucher tenants moved it, so did the ATVs.

Starts with your ANC, folks. Vote them all out.

https://anc3c.org/documents/2021-012-in-support-of-proposals-by-dc-police-reform-commission-report/

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Anonymous wrote:When was this era that you would like to go "back" to?

Fenty please

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Anonymous wrote:10 years ago seemed much more safe.

Let me guess: you're in your 20's?

Or to put it in terms his generation understands: tell me you're in your 20's without telling me you're in your 20's.

I'm a different poster. I'm 45, and moved to DC in 2002. yes, it feels decidedly LESS safe today than it did in 2012 when my youngest was born. Why is it hard to comprehend that? Some of us live in areas that have always had a crime problem, but we've seen it get worse with our very eyes -- carjackings outside our front door, mom and child shot by ATV rider, the little girl who was killed outside Nats Park during a game, etc. nyc also feels less safe than when I graduated from college there in the late 90s.

You’re brilliant because most 45 year olds were in high school in the late 90s

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Anonymous wrote:I agree OP. Sadly I don’t see the pendulum swinging back. We need a cultural reset. ATVs, dirt bikes and loud cars speeding through intersections at 100 mph with no regard for their fellow humans. 14 yr old car jackers. A mom and child shot by a madman who was going to run them over on a sidewalk. Open air drugging and gambling. It’s Gotham city. I’d like to move, if only I could afford to.

I've lived in the city over 30 years and it was worse 30 years ago. By all accounts the 80's were even worse, and the 70's worse than that. The 60's? Forget about it, they burned the city down. The 50's were pure chaos. During WWII it was anything goes. The Great Depression and the Bonus Army March? Nothing was safe.

It was not worse thirty years ago in the nice parts of the city. There were fewer nice parts, granted, but the crime was not as random as it is now. Same with the ‘80s - there was just a prescribed area where it was “safe.” Now it’s a free for all all over.

It's not just that it's all over but that anyone can be a victim at any time of day. Thirty years ago, my mom out of town would send me notifications whenever there was a murder near where I lived. Every time it would end up being a drug deal gone bad. Now thugs will roll up on a family sitting on their porch with kids in the yard, take their wallets and phones at gunpoint and drive off in a car with fake dealer tags 100 percent confident that nothing will ever happen to them.

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Anonymous wrote:10 years ago seemed much more safe.

Let me guess: you're in your 20's?

Or to put it in terms his generation understands: tell me you're in your 20's without telling me you're in your 20's.

I'm a different poster. I'm 45, and moved to DC in 2002. yes, it feels decidedly LESS safe today than it did in 2012 when my youngest was born. Why is it hard to comprehend that? Some of us live in areas that have always had a crime problem, but we've seen it get worse with our very eyes -- carjackings outside our front door, mom and child shot by ATV rider, the little girl who was killed outside Nats Park during a game, etc. nyc also feels less safe than when I graduated from college there in the late 90s.

DC wasn't "tough on crime" in 2012 or in 2002.

It was tougher. It was also tougher after the Clinton’s bill in the 90’s. I’m so tired of all the obstinate fks around here who seem to relish accommodating crime. It doesn’t make you virtuous or an ally.

The problem with "tough on crime" policies is that they don't really reduce crime. If they worked it would be hard to argue against them.

You mean like how crime rates declined consistently from the late-90’s until about 2018?

I’d argue that’s much more due to the decline of the crack epidemic, gentrifying neighborhoods, and the simple fact that a bunch of unwanted future criminals simply weren’t born. It wasn’t because we spent more money on police or venerated them more. I also question some of those numbers. When my family member was pickpocketed at Union Station in the mid-2010s, I couldn’t get any of the three police forces working there to take the report.

I’d argue that the crack epidemic waned after the crack houses were sold off from poor ownership and refurbished and redeveloped. People complained that Fenty was giving $1 buildings to all of his friends. Well that was the best thing that ever happened to DC

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Anonymous wrote:Charles Allen is rewriting the criminal code including penalties for carjackings. They will now just be "armed robberies" which will be a lesser sentence.

Serious question: if you hold someone up at gunpoint, why does it matter whether you're stealing their car or their wallet?

You aren’t serious. When someone robs you for cash the crime ends at that. When you get jacked that’s just the start of the crime

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Anonymous wrote:They sometimes drag the victim with the car, pin them do they die or kidnap kids left in the car. Do we have to spell it out? Omg the carjacking and ATV apologists will be the downfall of the Democrats. I used to consider myself proudly liberal no more. I’m more in the center.

Who? The only people I ever see defending or cheering on DC's carjackings and ATVs are anonymous trolls on message boards.

Why does DC tolerate ATVs parked next to the Cleveland Park branch library all the time? There’s a voucher-heavy building across the street. As voucher tenants moved it, so did the ATVs.

Starts with your ANC, folks. Vote them all out.

https://anc3c.org/documents/2021-012-in-support-of-proposals-by-dc-police-reform-commission-report/

Wow. I asked our ANC commissioner if they planned to call on the city to do more on crime and he said that’s out of their jurisdiction. Apparently not. I’m going to email him this resolution.

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The meeting after Pinto's bill was voted on in June, the CP ANC meeting invited DC Justice Lab to talk about pushing back. And the older wealthy residents seem to support the ideas of the ANCs.

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Anonymous wrote:They sometimes drag the victim with the car, pin them do they die or kidnap kids left in the car. Do we have to spell it out? Omg the carjacking and ATV apologists will be the downfall of the Democrats. I used to consider myself proudly liberal no more. I’m more in the center.

Who? The only people I ever see defending or cheering on DC's carjackings and ATVs are anonymous trolls on message boards.

Why does DC tolerate ATVs parked next to the Cleveland Park branch library all the time? There’s a voucher-heavy building across the street. As voucher tenants moved it, so did the ATVs.

Starts with your ANC, folks. Vote them all out.

https://anc3c.org/documents/2021-012-in-support-of-proposals-by-dc-police-reform-commission-report/

Wow. I asked our ANC commissioner if they planned to call on the city to do more on crime and he said that’s out of their jurisdiction. Apparently not. I’m going to email him this resolution.

Oh, if only our ANCs passed more tough on crime resolutions THEN our city would be better!

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Anonymous wrote:Tax base? Nice racist dog whistle.

What do the actual numbers say though?