Britney Griner deal

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Anonymous wrote:People actually think Griner brought cannibis vape cartridges into Russia? I think the odds she actually did that are pretty low. She's been working in Russia long enough to know you don't take controlled substances with you. Don't forget the timing of her arrest. Her (carefully planned with her lawyer) defense is that she never intended to pack it and in fact still does not know how it got in her luggage. She cannot outright deny doing it, because Russia has a 99% conviction rate and the only hope she has of not getting sentenced to 10+ years in prison is by pleading guilty. Her statement allows for the possibility that she did it and doesn't accuse anyone of planting it in her luggage, but definitely leaves that option open for how it got there.

Definitely possible she didn't, just like I don't think Warmbier took down the banner. But that (getting falsely accused of crimes with little/no recourse) is a risk you take when you go to countries like N. Korea and Russia. When you willingly do things you know have a huge risk, the US government should not make huge sacrifices to bail you out.

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Anonymous wrote:People actually think Griner brought cannibis vape cartridges into Russia? I think the odds she actually did that are pretty low. She's been working in Russia long enough to know you don't take controlled substances with you. Don't forget the timing of her arrest. Her (carefully planned with her lawyer) defense is that she never intended to pack it and in fact still does not know how it got in her luggage. She cannot outright deny doing it, because Russia has a 99% conviction rate and the only hope she has of not getting sentenced to 10+ years in prison is by pleading guilty. Her statement allows for the possibility that she did it and doesn't accuse anyone of planting it in her luggage, but definitely leaves that option open for how it got there.

Definitely possible she didn't, just like I don't think Warmbier took down the banner. But that (getting falsely accused of crimes with little/no recourse) is a risk you take when you go to countries like N. Korea and Russia. When you willingly do things you know have a huge risk, the US government should not make huge sacrifices to bail you out.

So somehow they got vape cartridges that were prescribed to her in order to frame her? OK, you win for the dumbest theory. They were hers

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Anonymous wrote:People actually think Griner brought cannibis vape cartridges into Russia? I think the odds she actually did that are pretty low. She's been working in Russia long enough to know you don't take controlled substances with you. Don't forget the timing of her arrest. Her (carefully planned with her lawyer) defense is that she never intended to pack it and in fact still does not know how it got in her luggage. She cannot outright deny doing it, because Russia has a 99% conviction rate and the only hope she has of not getting sentenced to 10+ years in prison is by pleading guilty. Her statement allows for the possibility that she did it and doesn't accuse anyone of planting it in her luggage, but definitely leaves that option open for how it got there.

Definitely possible she didn't, just like I don't think Warmbier took down the banner. But that (getting falsely accused of crimes with little/no recourse) is a risk you take when you go to countries like N. Korea and Russia. When you willingly do things you know have a huge risk, the US government should not make huge sacrifices to bail you out.

So somehow they got vape cartridges that were prescribed to her in order to frame her? OK, you win for the dumbest theory. They were hers

Not my "theory" I just think almost anything is possible with the Russians. But it's ok, you win for worst reading comprehension.

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Anonymous wrote:People actually think Griner brought cannibis vape cartridges into Russia? I think the odds she actually did that are pretty low. She's been working in Russia long enough to know you don't take controlled substances with you. Don't forget the timing of her arrest. Her (carefully planned with her lawyer) defense is that she never intended to pack it and in fact still does not know how it got in her luggage. She cannot outright deny doing it, because Russia has a 99% conviction rate and the only hope she has of not getting sentenced to 10+ years in prison is by pleading guilty. Her statement allows for the possibility that she did it and doesn't accuse anyone of planting it in her luggage, but definitely leaves that option open for how it got there.

Definitely possible she didn't, just like I don't think Warmbier took down the banner. But that (getting falsely accused of crimes with little/no recourse) is a risk you take when you go to countries like N. Korea and Russia. When you willingly do things you know have a huge risk, the US government should not make huge sacrifices to bail you out.

So somehow they got vape cartridges that were prescribed to her in order to frame her? OK, you win for the dumbest theory. They were hers

Not my "theory" I just think almost anything is possible with the Russians. But it's ok, you win for worst reading comprehension.

Yes let’s all pretend she’s innocent! You only need look at her to know

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Anonymous wrote:People actually think Griner brought cannibis vape cartridges into Russia? I think the odds she actually did that are pretty low. She's been working in Russia long enough to know you don't take controlled substances with you. Don't forget the timing of her arrest. Her (carefully planned with her lawyer) defense is that she never intended to pack it and in fact still does not know how it got in her luggage. She cannot outright deny doing it, because Russia has a 99% conviction rate and the only hope she has of not getting sentenced to 10+ years in prison is by pleading guilty. Her statement allows for the possibility that she did it and doesn't accuse anyone of planting it in her luggage, but definitely leaves that option open for how it got there.

Definitely possible she didn't, just like I don't think Warmbier took down the banner. But that (getting falsely accused of crimes with little/no recourse) is a risk you take when you go to countries like N. Korea and Russia. When you willingly do things you know have a huge risk, the US government should not make huge sacrifices to bail you out.

So somehow they got vape cartridges that were prescribed to her in order to frame her? OK, you win for the dumbest theory. They were hers

Not my "theory" I just think almost anything is possible with the Russians. But it's ok, you win for worst reading comprehension.

Yes let’s all pretend she’s innocent! You only need look at her to know

The bigot always shows his stripes.

[Anonymous]

Britney is a real idiot. I am sick and tired of dummies going overseas and getting into trouble, then having the State Dept. scramble to save them.

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Anonymous wrote:The CNN article said their release would be a big political win for Biden- is that generally the feeling? I would think Republicans will run with the idea that Biden released an arms dealer and is a weak leader.

I’m a staunch conservative and don’t really care if this is a big political win for Biden. This is someone’s life at stake in a country known to brutalize their people. Let Biden have the win.

I'm a liberal and trading a major arms dealer who did business from Africa to South America to ME is not a win for Biden. Only for those who are family members of those detained. In fact Biden's swap is so sloppy Fogel isn't included. Strategic - could be 100's for 1 Bout.

https://www.internationalcrimesdatabase.org/Case/3243
https://www.jurist.org/news/2012/08/russia-to-request-us-extradition-of-notorious-arms-dealer/

Who else is in US custody that would be a profoundly ridiculous swap that could endanger lives of US government employees [military or civilian overseas] or countries like Ukraine devastated by Russia? Of course Bout did not limit his profitable endeavors to that which benefits Russia.
Bout is the type who feeds this sort of chaos. Russia's the Wagner Group- also active in Ukraine. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-61311272

This.

It’s terrible for all Americans who travel overseas and makes us more vulnerable to being taken hostage. We used to have a policy against this.

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Anonymous wrote:People actually think Griner brought cannibis vape cartridges into Russia? I think the odds she actually did that are pretty low. She's been working in Russia long enough to know you don't take controlled substances with you. Don't forget the timing of her arrest. Her (carefully planned with her lawyer) defense is that she never intended to pack it and in fact still does not know how it got in her luggage. She cannot outright deny doing it, because Russia has a 99% conviction rate and the only hope she has of not getting sentenced to 10+ years in prison is by pleading guilty. Her statement allows for the possibility that she did it and doesn't accuse anyone of planting it in her luggage, but definitely leaves that option open for how it got there.

Definitely possible she didn't, just like I don't think Warmbier took down the banner. But that (getting falsely accused of crimes with little/no recourse) is a risk you take when you go to countries like N. Korea and Russia. When you willingly do things you know have a huge risk, the US government should not make huge sacrifices to bail you out.

I think it's entirely possible she did. But so what? If a Russian national was caught in possession of that quantity they WOULD NOT BE JAILED. They would have had to appear and pay a fine. This whole thing is trumped up and political and everyone, EVERYONE needs to be calling it out for what it is - callous and illegitimate gamesmanship by Russia and shaming Russia for it.

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Anonymous wrote:Would you get the same treatment by the US government? So why should some D-list basketball player? Ridiculous.

Otto Warmbier did, and he committed a worse crime. And she's actually an A list basketball player.

He took a poster off a wall. And for that, he was murdered and tortured by a madman. I don’t care what she does or does not do. She’s an American. Get her out. No man left behind.

Isn’t that last sentence a phrase for the Marines? This is not someone who enlisted or was drafted to protect our country. She chose to take a job in a hostile country in the off season. I’m playing devil’s advocate a bit here but this isn’t the same as a US soldier in Afghanistan or Vietnam.

And just to add about 20 years ago my sister and I were traveling in Eastern Europe and had the opportunity to travel to Russia. We ultimately turned it down because we were hesitant about going to a country that can be hostile to tourists and particularly Americans. So this isn’t totally new.

If you care about your fellow man, it is the same. Like Otto, she could have made a different decision. But it is what it is and we should now work to get her out. Obama left Otto to die a horrid death. We should not repeat that.

Please stop acting like we care about our fellow man when Marc Fogel is sitting in a Russian jail for medical marijuana. This is all political and trading Bout for Griner is a terrible move. Imagine how Fogel’s family feels that he wasn’t even considered in the deal with the Merchant of Death? The US government is not some moral and ethical entity. It’s being pressured.

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Anonymous wrote:Would you get the same treatment by the US government? So why should some D-list basketball player? Ridiculous.

Otto Warmbier did, and he committed a worse crime. And she's actually an A list basketball player.

He took a poster off a wall. And for that, he was murdered and tortured by a madman. I don’t care what she does or does not do. She’s an American. Get her out. No man left behind.

Isn’t that last sentence a phrase for the Marines? This is not someone who enlisted or was drafted to protect our country. She chose to take a job in a hostile country in the off season. I’m playing devil’s advocate a bit here but this isn’t the same as a US soldier in Afghanistan or Vietnam.

And just to add about 20 years ago my sister and I were traveling in Eastern Europe and had the opportunity to travel to Russia. We ultimately turned it down because we were hesitant about going to a country that can be hostile to tourists and particularly Americans. So this isn’t totally new.

If you care about your fellow man, it is the same. Like Otto, she could have made a different decision. But it is what it is and we should now work to get her out. Obama left Otto to die a horrid death. We should not repeat that.

Please stop acting like we care about our fellow man when Marc Fogel is sitting in a Russian jail for medical marijuana. This is all political and trading Bout for Griner is a terrible move. Imagine how Fogel’s family feels that he wasn’t even considered in the deal with the Merchant of Death? The US government is not some moral and ethical entity. It’s being pressured.

Marc Fogel not classified as "wrongly detained." First his family should lobby for that status.

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Anonymous wrote:People actually think Griner brought cannibis vape cartridges into Russia? I think the odds she actually did that are pretty low. She's been working in Russia long enough to know you don't take controlled substances with you. Don't forget the timing of her arrest. Her (carefully planned with her lawyer) defense is that she never intended to pack it and in fact still does not know how it got in her luggage. She cannot outright deny doing it, because Russia has a 99% conviction rate and the only hope she has of not getting sentenced to 10+ years in prison is by pleading guilty. Her statement allows for the possibility that she did it and doesn't accuse anyone of planting it in her luggage, but definitely leaves that option open for how it got there.

Definitely possible she didn't, just like I don't think Warmbier took down the banner. But that (getting falsely accused of crimes with little/no recourse) is a risk you take when you go to countries like N. Korea and Russia. When you willingly do things you know have a huge risk, the US government should not make huge sacrifices to bail you out.

So somehow they got vape cartridges that were prescribed to her in order to frame her? OK, you win for the dumbest theory. They were hers

Dp- Do we even know what they have?

[Anonymous]

Britney Griner is the perfect pawn, she’s black, a lesbian and famous.

Russia probably had this in the works for months prior to her arrival.

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Anonymous wrote:Britney Griner is the perfect pawn, she’s black, a lesbian and famous.

Russia probably had this in the works for months prior to her arrival.

That’s what I thought.

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Anonymous wrote:Would you get the same treatment by the US government? So why should some D-list basketball player? Ridiculous.

Otto Warmbier did, and he committed a worse crime. And she's actually an A list basketball player.

He took a poster off a wall. And for that, he was murdered and tortured by a madman. I don’t care what she does or does not do. She’s an American. Get her out. No man left behind.

Isn’t that last sentence a phrase for the Marines? This is not someone who enlisted or was drafted to protect our country. She chose to take a job in a hostile country in the off season. I’m playing devil’s advocate a bit here but this isn’t the same as a US soldier in Afghanistan or Vietnam.

And just to add about 20 years ago my sister and I were traveling in Eastern Europe and had the opportunity to travel to Russia. We ultimately turned it down because we were hesitant about going to a country that can be hostile to tourists and particularly Americans. So this isn’t totally new.

If you care about your fellow man, it is the same. Like Otto, she could have made a different decision. But it is what it is and we should now work to get her out. Obama left Otto to die a horrid death. We should not repeat that.

Please stop acting like we care about our fellow man when Marc Fogel is sitting in a Russian jail for medical marijuana. This is all political and trading Bout for Griner is a terrible move. Imagine how Fogel’s family feels that he wasn’t even considered in the deal with the Merchant of Death? The US government is not some moral and ethical entity. It’s being pressured.

Marc Fogel not classified as "wrongly detained." First his family should lobby for that status.

How does the US government know that Britney is wrongly detained? And didn’t other posters say whether she did or not she should be brought back to the US. Why not this man?

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Anonymous wrote:People actually think Griner brought cannibis vape cartridges into Russia? I think the odds she actually did that are pretty low. She's been working in Russia long enough to know you don't take controlled substances with you. Don't forget the timing of her arrest. Her (carefully planned with her lawyer) defense is that she never intended to pack it and in fact still does not know how it got in her luggage. She cannot outright deny doing it, because Russia has a 99% conviction rate and the only hope she has of not getting sentenced to 10+ years in prison is by pleading guilty. Her statement allows for the possibility that she did it and doesn't accuse anyone of planting it in her luggage, but definitely leaves that option open for how it got there.

Definitely possible she didn't, just like I don't think Warmbier took down the banner. But that (getting falsely accused of crimes with little/no recourse) is a risk you take when you go to countries like N. Korea and Russia. When you willingly do things you know have a huge risk, the US government should not make huge sacrifices to bail you out.

I think it's entirely possible she did. But so what? If a Russian national was caught in possession of that quantity they WOULD NOT BE JAILED. They would have had to appear and pay a fine. This whole thing is trumped up and political and everyone, EVERYONE needs to be calling it out for what it is - callous and illegitimate gamesmanship by Russia and shaming Russia for it.

She admitted to actually leaving them in her luggage, so there's that.