Are they going after Obergefell v. Hodges?

[Anonymous]

Just so everyone understands where this is headed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Just so everyone understands where this is headed.

Anyone who said otherwise in this thread, or thought otherwise but didn’t post, needs to examine why their brains default to a setting that allows the GOP grace and mocks Democrats. You guys have a fat lot of work to do in making up for your continued soft support of the GOP. You fence sitters are not the calm, rational people who are trying to prevent polarization, you have ignored the growing extremism of one party and mocked and scorned people who warned you. This is on you, kiddos.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Real question here. I understand this is probably a situation that's really rare but here goes...

I married a bi cis woman when I was still presenting myself as a man to the world (so a regular heterosexual marriage). I transitioned from male to female. Many marriages don't survive this but our marriage is stronger than ever. So now I'm a transgender woman married to a cisgender woman but we got married as a heterosexual couple.

I have not changed my gender market on my birth certificate or other legal paperwork yet. If I change my gender marker and Obergefell is reversed, would my marriage now be invalid in some states or would it always be valid because I was considered male when we were married. What about if I don't change my gender marker despite the fact that I look sound, dress, present myself as a woman. I've also changed my name.

I've been wanting to change my gender marker but it's actually fairly difficult to do and I haven't got around to doing it. Is it better to just leave it as "M" now?

If you don’t change your gender marker, it would be harder for them to say your marriage is illegal. However, if they go after gay marriage and succeed, it will be open season again on harassing you for being trans and out. They’ll want you to hide all of that.

I'm 100% pro choice but wasn't able to attend any of the protests after the leak because I got sick that weekend. I hope there are new ones, I want to participate. I obviously cannot get pregnant but I still stand with those that can.

Thomas' remarks are definitely hitting me hard. As I mentioned earlier, I haven't changed my gender marker. I had been thinking about doing it but was waiting for the ruling. It isn't a fast process anyway. At this point, I'm not sure I should do it.
I hope it doesn't become acceptable to harass me for being openly gay/transgender (really queer in general) like you're saying. I already receive enough harassment as it is. I won't go back into the closet. I can't go back into the closet even if I wanted. You probably wouldn't be surprised to hear it can be difficult to be hidden after being on cross sex hormones.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Real question here. I understand this is probably a situation that's really rare but here goes...

I married a bi cis woman when I was still presenting myself as a man to the world (so a regular heterosexual marriage). I transitioned from male to female. Many marriages don't survive this but our marriage is stronger than ever. So now I'm a transgender woman married to a cisgender woman but we got married as a heterosexual couple.

I have not changed my gender market on my birth certificate or other legal paperwork yet. If I change my gender marker and Obergefell is reversed, would my marriage now be invalid in some states or would it always be valid because I was considered male when we were married. What about if I don't change my gender marker despite the fact that I look sound, dress, present myself as a woman. I've also changed my name.

I've been wanting to change my gender marker but it's actually fairly difficult to do and I haven't got around to doing it. Is it better to just leave it as "M" now?

If you don’t change your gender marker, it would be harder for them to say your marriage is illegal. However, if they go after gay marriage and succeed, it will be open season again on harassing you for being trans and out. They’ll want you to hide all of that.

I'm 100% pro choice but wasn't able to attend any of the protests after the leak because I got sick that weekend. I hope there are new ones, I want to participate. I obviously cannot get pregnant but I still stand with those that can.

Thomas' remarks are definitely hitting me hard. As I mentioned earlier, I haven't changed my gender marker. I had been thinking about doing it but was waiting for the ruling. It isn't a fast process anyway. At this point, I'm not sure I should do it.
I hope it doesn't become acceptable to harass me for being openly gay/transgender (really queer in general) like you're saying. I already receive enough harassment as it is. I won't go back into the closet. I can't go back into the closet even if I wanted. You probably wouldn't be surprised to hear it can be difficult to be hidden after being on cross sex hormones.

If today has shown you anything, I hope it’s that you shown you that nothing is safe. The right wing cockroaches will do whatever it is they have to do to keep getting elected (until they dispense with the whole republic democracy thing all together), and trans and gay rights are very unpopular in the red states. They will sell you out in a heartbeat if it keeps the voters coming out. If you look at other decisions, this court is privileging extreme fundamentalist religious expression almost over everything else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Real question here. I understand this is probably a situation that's really rare but here goes...

I married a bi cis woman when I was still presenting myself as a man to the world (so a regular heterosexual marriage). I transitioned from male to female. Many marriages don't survive this but our marriage is stronger than ever. So now I'm a transgender woman married to a cisgender woman but we got married as a heterosexual couple.

I have not changed my gender market on my birth certificate or other legal paperwork yet. If I change my gender marker and Obergefell is reversed, would my marriage now be invalid in some states or would it always be valid because I was considered male when we were married. What about if I don't change my gender marker despite the fact that I look sound, dress, present myself as a woman. I've also changed my name.

I've been wanting to change my gender marker but it's actually fairly difficult to do and I haven't got around to doing it. Is it better to just leave it as "M" now?

If you don’t change your gender marker, it would be harder for them to say your marriage is illegal. However, if they go after gay marriage and succeed, it will be open season again on harassing you for being trans and out. They’ll want you to hide all of that.

I'm 100% pro choice but wasn't able to attend any of the protests after the leak because I got sick that weekend. I hope there are new ones, I want to participate. I obviously cannot get pregnant but I still stand with those that can.

Thomas' remarks are definitely hitting me hard. As I mentioned earlier, I haven't changed my gender marker. I had been thinking about doing it but was waiting for the ruling. It isn't a fast process anyway. At this point, I'm not sure I should do it.
I hope it doesn't become acceptable to harass me for being openly gay/transgender (really queer in general) like you're saying. I already receive enough harassment as it is. I won't go back into the closet. I can't go back into the closet even if I wanted. You probably wouldn't be surprised to hear it can be difficult to be hidden after being on cross sex hormones.

If today has shown you anything, I hope it’s that you shown you that nothing is safe. The right wing cockroaches will do whatever it is they have to do to keep getting elected (until they dispense with the whole republic democracy thing all together), and trans and gay rights are very unpopular in the red states. They will sell you out in a heartbeat if it keeps the voters coming out. If you look at other decisions, this court is privileging extreme fundamentalist religious expression almost over everything else.

Yup, and all of the wealthy white men using surrogates as instapots with zero effs given for women's rights, will reap what they have sown.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:More fear mongering.

It is the only way the Dems think they can hold their majority in the midterms.

But, it will not work. The American people can see through their tactics.

Well this comment soured real quick. Justice Thomas has just encouraged the court to reconsider gay marriage, contraception and privacy. So much for your fear mongering theory.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More fear mongering.

It is the only way the Dems think they can hold their majority in the midterms.

But, it will not work. The American people can see through their tactics.

Well this comment soured real quick. Justice Thomas has just encouraged the court to reconsider gay marriage, contraception and privacy. So much for your fear mongering theory.

Interesting that he omitted Loving, which uses the same logic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More fear mongering.

It is the only way the Dems think they can hold their majority in the midterms.

But, it will not work. The American people can see through their tactics.

Well this comment soured real quick. Justice Thomas has just encouraged the court to reconsider gay marriage, contraception and privacy. So much for your fear mongering theory.

Interesting that he omitted Loving, which uses the same logic.

Isn't he one-half of an interracial couple?

[Anonymous]

Biden said this is not over. Congress can decide. He also said Thomas will go after gay marriage and medications (birth control/Plan B). VOTE damn it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More fear mongering.

It is the only way the Dems think they can hold their majority in the midterms.

But, it will not work. The American people can see through their tactics.

Well this comment soured real quick. Justice Thomas has just encouraged the court to reconsider gay marriage, contraception and privacy. So much for your fear mongering theory.

Interesting that he omitted Loving, which uses the same logic.

Isn't he one-half of an interracial couple?

Yup. He came for our rights, not his.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More fear mongering.

It is the only way the Dems think they can hold their majority in the midterms.

But, it will not work. The American people can see through their tactics.

Well this comment soured real quick. Justice Thomas has just encouraged the court to reconsider gay marriage, contraception and privacy. So much for your fear mongering theory.

Interesting that he omitted Loving, which uses the same logic.

Isn't he one-half of an interracial couple?

Yup. He came for our rights, not his.

He and his seditious wife.

[Anonymous]

Liberty is dead. That is what this ruling is saying. RIP America.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:More fear mongering.

It is the only way the Dems think they can hold their majority in the midterms.

But, it will not work. The American people can see through their tactics.

But my worst fear has come true. I now no longer have control of my own body because I live in a state that will outlaw abortion. How is it fear mongering if it's actually happened?

[Anonymous]

Is my right to marry a person of the opposite sex in the constitution??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Just so everyone understands where this is headed.

Anyone who said otherwise in this thread, or thought otherwise but didn’t post, needs to examine why their brains default to a setting that allows the GOP grace and mocks Democrats. You guys have a fat lot of work to do in making up for your continued soft support of the GOP. You fence sitters are not the calm, rational people who are trying to prevent polarization, you have ignored the growing extremism of one party and mocked and scorned people who warned you. This is on you, kiddos.

What a persuasive and compelling statement. Surely after reading this enlightened post, fence sitters will feel motivated and energized to vote with your side.