Ashburton school student hit by car

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There is nothing political about this. There is no agenda here. It was a tragic horrible terrible freak accident. The community is devastated. Please be respectful.

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I was surprised to see the administration tweeting happy pictures of kids with therapy dogs today but never tweeting anything in memoriam or honor of the actual child lost.

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I don't understand why the news articles on this horrific accident don't publish the driver's name. Same with the similar accident that killed two people at the Parthenon restaurant in Chevy Chase DC a few weeks ago. Both elderly drivers who jumped the curb and killed people - don't we deserve to know who they are and if they're being charged?

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Anonymous wrote:This is horrifying. I wonder if the elderly driver had vision issues and then maybe also mixed up the gas and the brake or something. Until I saw that it was an elderly person I assumed the driver was texting or something (or maybe they were anyway). Or that someone had a seizure or a heart attack and their foot jammed on the gas. Learning that it was just sheer horrible driving is really bad.

This is not an MCPS bus stop location issue. It's an issue of an incompetent elderly driver. This driver could have jumped any curb and hit any pedestrian on any street anywhere. It's not like the stop was out on Rockville Pike. Unless we are going to make kids wait 250 feet away from the stop in the middle of a field somewhere, or install bollards along every roadway in the county, there is always going to be the potential for a horrible accident of some kind. This sounds like the kind of driver you might see on the news another day who gets the pedals confused and drives through a storefront.

Let's hope this is an impetus for making elderly drivers take steps each year to prove their fitness for continued driving. Reaction times, vision, cognitive performance, etc. Heck, all drivers. We are so lax in this country in qualifying people to operate these lethal machines with minimal training and standards compared to other countries.

If it hadn’t been a dangerous bus stop there would have been no one to hit!

This accident has nothing to do with the bus stop. It’s all about a driver who had no right being on the road.
Something needs to be done about elderly drivers

It had everything to do with a bus stop at a cross street on a main road. BOE has blood on their hands.

No they don’t, the real issue is the state or county should have rules in place to determine the competence of older drivers. Maybe more of a health screening requirement after a certain age.

I don't see it happening, but I wish it would. Old people need to get medicine, food, doctors etc, right? How will they get them? As long as they vote in republicans, who need to appease their base, it won't happen. They should, at a minimum, require an eye test once you reach a certain age.

Delivery exists for all of the above. They can ask for rides or take Uber to medical appointments. No more excuses. Road tests every year after 70 at minimum.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of ageism in this thread.

Yawn. You’re 80 and can pass a yearly road test? Go for it. Otherwise, no.

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It should be much harder than it currently is for ANYONE to get a drivers license. And agree that after a certain age, a yearly renewal test should be required. This is so horrible. Same thing Could’ve easily happened due to any impaired or distracted driver too (I see so many people driving and texting or driving while looking at their phones when I’m out walking).

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Anonymous wrote:This is horrifying. I wonder if the elderly driver had vision issues and then maybe also mixed up the gas and the brake or something. Until I saw that it was an elderly person I assumed the driver was texting or something (or maybe they were anyway). Or that someone had a seizure or a heart attack and their foot jammed on the gas. Learning that it was just sheer horrible driving is really bad.

This is not an MCPS bus stop location issue. It's an issue of an incompetent elderly driver. This driver could have jumped any curb and hit any pedestrian on any street anywhere. It's not like the stop was out on Rockville Pike. Unless we are going to make kids wait 250 feet away from the stop in the middle of a field somewhere, or install bollards along every roadway in the county, there is always going to be the potential for a horrible accident of some kind. This sounds like the kind of driver you might see on the news another day who gets the pedals confused and drives through a storefront.

Let's hope this is an impetus for making elderly drivers take steps each year to prove their fitness for continued driving. Reaction times, vision, cognitive performance, etc. Heck, all drivers. We are so lax in this country in qualifying people to operate these lethal machines with minimal training and standards compared to other countries.

If it hadn’t been a dangerous bus stop there would have been no one to hit!

This accident has nothing to do with the bus stop. It’s all about a driver who had no right being on the road.
Something needs to be done about elderly drivers

It had everything to do with a bus stop at a cross street on a main road. BOE has blood on their hands.

No they don’t, the real issue is the state or county should have rules in place to determine the competence of older drivers. Maybe more of a health screening requirement after a certain age.

I don't see it happening, but I wish it would. Old people need to get medicine, food, doctors etc, right? How will they get them? As long as they vote in republicans, who need to appease their base, it won't happen. They should, at a minimum, require an eye test once you reach a certain age.

Delivery exists for all of the above. They can ask for rides or take Uber to medical appointments. No more excuses. Road tests every year after 70 at minimum.

You are falsely assuming that a road test will identify declining ability to drive

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Anonymous wrote:This is horrifying. I wonder if the elderly driver had vision issues and then maybe also mixed up the gas and the brake or something. Until I saw that it was an elderly person I assumed the driver was texting or something (or maybe they were anyway). Or that someone had a seizure or a heart attack and their foot jammed on the gas. Learning that it was just sheer horrible driving is really bad.

This is not an MCPS bus stop location issue. It's an issue of an incompetent elderly driver. This driver could have jumped any curb and hit any pedestrian on any street anywhere. It's not like the stop was out on Rockville Pike. Unless we are going to make kids wait 250 feet away from the stop in the middle of a field somewhere, or install bollards along every roadway in the county, there is always going to be the potential for a horrible accident of some kind. This sounds like the kind of driver you might see on the news another day who gets the pedals confused and drives through a storefront.

Let's hope this is an impetus for making elderly drivers take steps each year to prove their fitness for continued driving. Reaction times, vision, cognitive performance, etc. Heck, all drivers. We are so lax in this country in qualifying people to operate these lethal machines with minimal training and standards compared to other countries.

If it hadn’t been a dangerous bus stop there would have been no one to hit!

This accident has nothing to do with the bus stop. It’s all about a driver who had no right being on the road.
Something needs to be done about elderly drivers

It had everything to do with a bus stop at a cross street on a main road. BOE has blood on their hands.

No they don’t, the real issue is the state or county should have rules in place to determine the competence of older drivers. Maybe more of a health screening requirement after a certain age.

I don't see it happening, but I wish it would. Old people need to get medicine, food, doctors etc, right? How will they get them? As long as they vote in republicans, who need to appease their base, it won't happen. They should, at a minimum, require an eye test once you reach a certain age.

Delivery exists for all of the above. They can ask for rides or take Uber to medical appointments. No more excuses. Road tests every year after 70 at minimum.

You are falsely assuming that a road test will identify declining ability to drive

This. My grandfather was a healthy 75 yr old who had a small stroke while driving. Fortunately, he was the only one involved in the car accident.

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Anonymous wrote:This is horrifying. I wonder if the elderly driver had vision issues and then maybe also mixed up the gas and the brake or something. Until I saw that it was an elderly person I assumed the driver was texting or something (or maybe they were anyway). Or that someone had a seizure or a heart attack and their foot jammed on the gas. Learning that it was just sheer horrible driving is really bad.

This is not an MCPS bus stop location issue. It's an issue of an incompetent elderly driver. This driver could have jumped any curb and hit any pedestrian on any street anywhere. It's not like the stop was out on Rockville Pike. Unless we are going to make kids wait 250 feet away from the stop in the middle of a field somewhere, or install bollards along every roadway in the county, there is always going to be the potential for a horrible accident of some kind. This sounds like the kind of driver you might see on the news another day who gets the pedals confused and drives through a storefront.

Let's hope this is an impetus for making elderly drivers take steps each year to prove their fitness for continued driving. Reaction times, vision, cognitive performance, etc. Heck, all drivers. We are so lax in this country in qualifying people to operate these lethal machines with minimal training and standards compared to other countries.

If it hadn’t been a dangerous bus stop there would have been no one to hit!

This accident has nothing to do with the bus stop. It’s all about a driver who had no right being on the road.
Something needs to be done about elderly drivers

It had everything to do with a bus stop at a cross street on a main road. BOE has blood on their hands.

No they don’t, the real issue is the state or county should have rules in place to determine the competence of older drivers. Maybe more of a health screening requirement after a certain age.

I don't see it happening, but I wish it would. Old people need to get medicine, food, doctors etc, right? How will they get them? As long as they vote in republicans, who need to appease their base, it won't happen. They should, at a minimum, require an eye test once you reach a certain age.

Delivery exists for all of the above. They can ask for rides or take Uber to medical appointments. No more excuses. Road tests every year after 70 at minimum.

You are falsely assuming that a road test will identify declining ability to drive

This. My grandfather was a healthy 75 yr old who had a small stroke while driving. Fortunately, he was the only one involved in the car accident.

Similar story, 88 year-old grandfather. Found disoriented on the shoulder.

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Anonymous wrote:This is horrifying. I wonder if the elderly driver had vision issues and then maybe also mixed up the gas and the brake or something. Until I saw that it was an elderly person I assumed the driver was texting or something (or maybe they were anyway). Or that someone had a seizure or a heart attack and their foot jammed on the gas. Learning that it was just sheer horrible driving is really bad.

This is not an MCPS bus stop location issue. It's an issue of an incompetent elderly driver. This driver could have jumped any curb and hit any pedestrian on any street anywhere. It's not like the stop was out on Rockville Pike. Unless we are going to make kids wait 250 feet away from the stop in the middle of a field somewhere, or install bollards along every roadway in the county, there is always going to be the potential for a horrible accident of some kind. This sounds like the kind of driver you might see on the news another day who gets the pedals confused and drives through a storefront.

Let's hope this is an impetus for making elderly drivers take steps each year to prove their fitness for continued driving. Reaction times, vision, cognitive performance, etc. Heck, all drivers. We are so lax in this country in qualifying people to operate these lethal machines with minimal training and standards compared to other countries.

If it hadn’t been a dangerous bus stop there would have been no one to hit!

This accident has nothing to do with the bus stop. It’s all about a driver who had no right being on the road.
Something needs to be done about elderly drivers

It had everything to do with a bus stop at a cross street on a main road. BOE has blood on their hands.

No they don’t, the real issue is the state or county should have rules in place to determine the competence of older drivers. Maybe more of a health screening requirement after a certain age.

I don't see it happening, but I wish it would. Old people need to get medicine, food, doctors etc, right? How will they get them? As long as they vote in republicans, who need to appease their base, it won't happen. They should, at a minimum, require an eye test once you reach a certain age.

In Maryland, a vision test is already required for ages 40 and up, each time you renew (every five years). At any age, if you have a medical condition that could impact your ability to drive, you are required to disclose it. At the age 70 renewal, Maryland requires a physician's report. Your ability to drive can be limited based on medical condition or driving record. You can be forced to retake the written or road test based on medical condition or driving record. There are already limits in place, but they are not sufficient for an aging population in a car centric area. My heart breaks for this family. This is a terrible tragedy and I think our state politicians could do more to prevent future tragedies.

A lot changes after 70. That physician report should be annual or every 2 years.

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Anonymous wrote:This is horrifying. I wonder if the elderly driver had vision issues and then maybe also mixed up the gas and the brake or something. Until I saw that it was an elderly person I assumed the driver was texting or something (or maybe they were anyway). Or that someone had a seizure or a heart attack and their foot jammed on the gas. Learning that it was just sheer horrible driving is really bad.

This is not an MCPS bus stop location issue. It's an issue of an incompetent elderly driver. This driver could have jumped any curb and hit any pedestrian on any street anywhere. It's not like the stop was out on Rockville Pike. Unless we are going to make kids wait 250 feet away from the stop in the middle of a field somewhere, or install bollards along every roadway in the county, there is always going to be the potential for a horrible accident of some kind. This sounds like the kind of driver you might see on the news another day who gets the pedals confused and drives through a storefront.

Let's hope this is an impetus for making elderly drivers take steps each year to prove their fitness for continued driving. Reaction times, vision, cognitive performance, etc. Heck, all drivers. We are so lax in this country in qualifying people to operate these lethal machines with minimal training and standards compared to other countries.

If it hadn’t been a dangerous bus stop there would have been no one to hit!

This accident has nothing to do with the bus stop. It’s all about a driver who had no right being on the road.
Something needs to be done about elderly drivers

It had everything to do with a bus stop at a cross street on a main road. BOE has blood on their hands.

No they don’t, the real issue is the state or county should have rules in place to determine the competence of older drivers. Maybe more of a health screening requirement after a certain age.

I don't see it happening, but I wish it would. Old people need to get medicine, food, doctors etc, right? How will they get them? As long as they vote in republicans, who need to appease their base, it won't happen. They should, at a minimum, require an eye test once you reach a certain age.

Delivery exists for all of the above. They can ask for rides or take Uber to medical appointments. No more excuses. Road tests every year after 70 at minimum.

Delivery is for people who have and can use smartphones. Old people just don’t. My 70 year old dad can barely use an app. Not everything is available for delivery and it can get expensive.

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Anonymous wrote:This is horrifying. I wonder if the elderly driver had vision issues and then maybe also mixed up the gas and the brake or something. Until I saw that it was an elderly person I assumed the driver was texting or something (or maybe they were anyway). Or that someone had a seizure or a heart attack and their foot jammed on the gas. Learning that it was just sheer horrible driving is really bad.

This is not an MCPS bus stop location issue. It's an issue of an incompetent elderly driver. This driver could have jumped any curb and hit any pedestrian on any street anywhere. It's not like the stop was out on Rockville Pike. Unless we are going to make kids wait 250 feet away from the stop in the middle of a field somewhere, or install bollards along every roadway in the county, there is always going to be the potential for a horrible accident of some kind. This sounds like the kind of driver you might see on the news another day who gets the pedals confused and drives through a storefront.

Let's hope this is an impetus for making elderly drivers take steps each year to prove their fitness for continued driving. Reaction times, vision, cognitive performance, etc. Heck, all drivers. We are so lax in this country in qualifying people to operate these lethal machines with minimal training and standards compared to other countries.

If it hadn’t been a dangerous bus stop there would have been no one to hit!

This accident has nothing to do with the bus stop. It’s all about a driver who had no right being on the road.
Something needs to be done about elderly drivers

It had everything to do with a bus stop at a cross street on a main road. BOE has blood on their hands.

We used to live in the area and DH did not want our child walking to that bus stop and standing alone so we actually drove DC to school even though DC was old enough to walk to and from the bus stop alone. It is a very busy street with a lot of traffic. My heart goes out to the family.

Grosvenor Lane is busy, and the speed limit should be 25, but that is not what caused this particular accident.

But would he have been pulling on that road if it weren't a major road to begin with? Do you see how this is relevant? It may not be the main cause but the number of cars on a road does increase the chance there is an impaired driver. Other accidents that have happened recently involved bigger roads.

I see your point. That particular spot on Grosvenor Lane is tricky. There is a turn lane for Grosvenor Park condominiums, is on an uphill and about a block from the intersection with Rockville Pike, which makes for intermittant streams of cars. The elderly driver might have felt pressured to step on the gas harder to make the uphill turn successfully and beat some cars. That could have been part of the midjudgment the elderly driver made. That is Route 1313 out of Bethesda bus depot, which stops on Grosvenor for the townhouse complex and then turns left to go through Grosvenor Park Condos/Townhouse/Apartments. Could the bus turn into the townhouse complex and make a loop back out rather than do the more efficient stop on Grosvenor and take the immediate left? Probably with a few extra minutes. But that doesn't eliminate all risk - maybe it is actually more dangerous to stop in a parking lot type area where cars are backing out of spaces in the morning? There are probably studies, but that is for the experts. This was a terrible freak accident that could have happened to anyone in the wrong place at the wrong time. I don't think blaming MCPS in this instance is the right call.

We would have to either get the kids to cross grosvenor road or somehow manage a turn around in King Charles. It’s too narrow a street for a bus.

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Anonymous wrote:This is horrifying. I wonder if the elderly driver had vision issues and then maybe also mixed up the gas and the brake or something. Until I saw that it was an elderly person I assumed the driver was texting or something (or maybe they were anyway). Or that someone had a seizure or a heart attack and their foot jammed on the gas. Learning that it was just sheer horrible driving is really bad.

This is not an MCPS bus stop location issue. It's an issue of an incompetent elderly driver. This driver could have jumped any curb and hit any pedestrian on any street anywhere. It's not like the stop was out on Rockville Pike. Unless we are going to make kids wait 250 feet away from the stop in the middle of a field somewhere, or install bollards along every roadway in the county, there is always going to be the potential for a horrible accident of some kind. This sounds like the kind of driver you might see on the news another day who gets the pedals confused and drives through a storefront.

Let's hope this is an impetus for making elderly drivers take steps each year to prove their fitness for continued driving. Reaction times, vision, cognitive performance, etc. Heck, all drivers. We are so lax in this country in qualifying people to operate these lethal machines with minimal training and standards compared to other countries.

If it hadn’t been a dangerous bus stop there would have been no one to hit!

This accident has nothing to do with the bus stop. It’s all about a driver who had no right being on the road.
Something needs to be done about elderly drivers

It had everything to do with a bus stop at a cross street on a main road. BOE has blood on their hands.

No they don’t, the real issue is the state or county should have rules in place to determine the competence of older drivers. Maybe more of a health screening requirement after a certain age.

I don't see it happening, but I wish it would. Old people need to get medicine, food, doctors etc, right? How will they get them? As long as they vote in republicans, who need to appease their base, it won't happen. They should, at a minimum, require an eye test once you reach a certain age.

Delivery exists for all of the above. They can ask for rides or take Uber to medical appointments. No more excuses. Road tests every year after 70 at minimum.

You are falsely assuming that a road test will identify declining ability to drive

This. My grandfather was a healthy 75 yr old who had a small stroke while driving. Fortunately, he was the only one involved in the car accident.

My 24 year old cousin had a seizure.

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Anonymous wrote:This is horrifying. I wonder if the elderly driver had vision issues and then maybe also mixed up the gas and the brake or something. Until I saw that it was an elderly person I assumed the driver was texting or something (or maybe they were anyway). Or that someone had a seizure or a heart attack and their foot jammed on the gas. Learning that it was just sheer horrible driving is really bad.

This is not an MCPS bus stop location issue. It's an issue of an incompetent elderly driver. This driver could have jumped any curb and hit any pedestrian on any street anywhere. It's not like the stop was out on Rockville Pike. Unless we are going to make kids wait 250 feet away from the stop in the middle of a field somewhere, or install bollards along every roadway in the county, there is always going to be the potential for a horrible accident of some kind. This sounds like the kind of driver you might see on the news another day who gets the pedals confused and drives through a storefront.

Let's hope this is an impetus for making elderly drivers take steps each year to prove their fitness for continued driving. Reaction times, vision, cognitive performance, etc. Heck, all drivers. We are so lax in this country in qualifying people to operate these lethal machines with minimal training and standards compared to other countries.

If it hadn’t been a dangerous bus stop there would have been no one to hit!

This accident has nothing to do with the bus stop. It’s all about a driver who had no right being on the road.
Something needs to be done about elderly drivers

It had everything to do with a bus stop at a cross street on a main road. BOE has blood on their hands.

We used to live in the area and DH did not want our child walking to that bus stop and standing alone so we actually drove DC to school even though DC was old enough to walk to and from the bus stop alone. It is a very busy street with a lot of traffic. My heart goes out to the family.

Grosvenor Lane is busy, and the speed limit should be 25, but that is not what caused this particular accident.

But would he have been pulling on that road if it weren't a major road to begin with? Do you see how this is relevant? It may not be the main cause but the number of cars on a road does increase the chance there is an impaired driver. Other accidents that have happened recently involved bigger roads.

I see your point. That particular spot on Grosvenor Lane is tricky. There is a turn lane for Grosvenor Park condominiums, is on an uphill and about a block from the intersection with Rockville Pike, which makes for intermittant streams of cars. The elderly driver might have felt pressured to step on the gas harder to make the uphill turn successfully and beat some cars. That could have been part of the midjudgment the elderly driver made. That is Route 1313 out of Bethesda bus depot, which stops on Grosvenor for the townhouse complex and then turns left to go through Grosvenor Park Condos/Townhouse/Apartments. Could the bus turn into the townhouse complex and make a loop back out rather than do the more efficient stop on Grosvenor and take the immediate left? Probably with a few extra minutes. But that doesn't eliminate all risk - maybe it is actually more dangerous to stop in a parking lot type area where cars are backing out of spaces in the morning? There are probably studies, but that is for the experts. This was a terrible freak accident that could have happened to anyone in the wrong place at the wrong time. I don't think blaming MCPS in this instance is the right call.

We would have to either get the kids to cross grosvenor road or somehow manage a turn around in King Charles. It’s too narrow a street for a bus.

How do they get deliveries in there?

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Anonymous wrote:This is horrifying. I wonder if the elderly driver had vision issues and then maybe also mixed up the gas and the brake or something. Until I saw that it was an elderly person I assumed the driver was texting or something (or maybe they were anyway). Or that someone had a seizure or a heart attack and their foot jammed on the gas. Learning that it was just sheer horrible driving is really bad.

This is not an MCPS bus stop location issue. It's an issue of an incompetent elderly driver. This driver could have jumped any curb and hit any pedestrian on any street anywhere. It's not like the stop was out on Rockville Pike. Unless we are going to make kids wait 250 feet away from the stop in the middle of a field somewhere, or install bollards along every roadway in the county, there is always going to be the potential for a horrible accident of some kind. This sounds like the kind of driver you might see on the news another day who gets the pedals confused and drives through a storefront.

Let's hope this is an impetus for making elderly drivers take steps each year to prove their fitness for continued driving. Reaction times, vision, cognitive performance, etc. Heck, all drivers. We are so lax in this country in qualifying people to operate these lethal machines with minimal training and standards compared to other countries.

If it hadn’t been a dangerous bus stop there would have been no one to hit!

This accident has nothing to do with the bus stop. It’s all about a driver who had no right being on the road.
Something needs to be done about elderly drivers

It had everything to do with a bus stop at a cross street on a main road. BOE has blood on their hands.

We used to live in the area and DH did not want our child walking to that bus stop and standing alone so we actually drove DC to school even though DC was old enough to walk to and from the bus stop alone. It is a very busy street with a lot of traffic. My heart goes out to the family.

Grosvenor Lane is busy, and the speed limit should be 25, but that is not what caused this particular accident.

But would he have been pulling on that road if it weren't a major road to begin with? Do you see how this is relevant? It may not be the main cause but the number of cars on a road does increase the chance there is an impaired driver. Other accidents that have happened recently involved bigger roads.

I see your point. That particular spot on Grosvenor Lane is tricky. There is a turn lane for Grosvenor Park condominiums, is on an uphill and about a block from the intersection with Rockville Pike, which makes for intermittant streams of cars. The elderly driver might have felt pressured to step on the gas harder to make the uphill turn successfully and beat some cars. That could have been part of the midjudgment the elderly driver made. That is Route 1313 out of Bethesda bus depot, which stops on Grosvenor for the townhouse complex and then turns left to go through Grosvenor Park Condos/Townhouse/Apartments. Could the bus turn into the townhouse complex and make a loop back out rather than do the more efficient stop on Grosvenor and take the immediate left? Probably with a few extra minutes. But that doesn't eliminate all risk - maybe it is actually more dangerous to stop in a parking lot type area where cars are backing out of spaces in the morning? There are probably studies, but that is for the experts. This was a terrible freak accident that could have happened to anyone in the wrong place at the wrong time. I don't think blaming MCPS in this instance is the right call.

We would have to either get the kids to cross grosvenor road or somehow manage a turn around in King Charles. It’s too narrow a street for a bus.

How do they get deliveries in there?

A delivery truck is more like the size of one of the MCPS “short” buses, not the big long ones. The short ones can maneuver in areas like that. Which is why they save them for special ed, which gets door to door transportation and doesn’t have bus stops.

And before someone suggests that MCPS buy 4000 short buses and do door to door pickup for all students, just no.