UArizona or UIowa

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Anonymous wrote:Sinema or Grassley? mmmm

Kelly! Tucson is *very* Blue. (E.g. Raul Grijalva)

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I know nothing about Iowa. Tucson is an okay place, and has plenty to offer for four years. Unless things have changed recently the cost of living is very low so it *is* easy to stall out there and stay longer than intended. Most students don’t stay on campus for four years and there’s lots of rentals around the school. Even though typical zonies never exit AC, the campus area is walkable and there are funky things to do nearby. The university is the largest employer in town, and I know more than a couple people who just ended up back there working IT and the like. The four year graduation rate is under 50%, and I’d suspect that reflects motivation, not course availability. The suicide rate is very high in AZ, so don’t know why everyone assumes sunny=happy.

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Anonymous wrote:Sinema or Grassley? mmmm

Kelly! Tucson is *very* Blue. (E.g. Raul Grijalva)

Yes! And in the 90s there was a big California influx which improved the restaurants and general economy making it more upscale than the little western town it once was. Tucson has been a blue dot for as long as I can remember.

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I’m someone that lives in Chicago and has researched and visited Phoenix extensively as a potential retirement destination, so I personally like both places (albeit for very different reasons). I don’t have any personal connection U of Iowa or U of Arizona, but know quite a few grads from both. Here’s my take FWIW:

(1) From a pure academic standpoint, I agree that Iowa and Arizona are peer schools and, ultimately, this is going to come down to a preference between campuses, culture, climate, where one would prefer to live post-graduation, etc.

(2) That being said, I feel like there’s a lot of projecting of personal perceptions about the politics/crime in Chicago compared to Phoenix as if that is also correlated to future post-grad job opportunities - and that is soooooo totally far off that it needs to be vigorously refuted. The scope and depth of post-grad career (not just “job”) opportunities in Chicago, particularly in DCUM-favored positions like finance, consulting and tech, completely blow away Phoenix. It’s not even close. People comparing Phoenix to Chicago on that front might as well be comparing Phoenix to DC or Boston. Even to the extent that there’s job growth in Phoenix, it’s still much more “back office” positions compared to the preponderance of “front office” positions in Chicago. Once again, Chicago and Phoenix shouldn’t be compared as job markets any more than Phoenix and Des Moines.

(3) The proper regional market comparison is really Phoenix and Minneapolis. Minneapolis is a little smaller than Phoenix, but punches above its weight in corporate headquarters, which in turn means that it punches above its weight in front-line services to those corporations, such as finance, accounting, consulting, tech, etc.

(4) I’m not surprised that Iowa grads were surveyed to be slightly happier with their post-grad outcomes compared to Arizona grads due to points 2 and 3 above. The markets of Chicago and Minneapolis are REALLY great markets for college grads just out of school and Iowa sends a lot of its grads to both of those markets. As a result, Iowa would naturally punch above its weight in terms of job placement compared to its rankings.

(5) A factor that I just don’t know about is whether Arizona has a cross-state secondary pipeline to the Los Angeles market that is similar to Iowa to Chicago and Minneapolis (to the extent that OP cares). That could be a counter to what I’ve pointed out about Iowa, but I’m not familiar enough with the LA job market to have a cogent opinion on that issue.

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Anonymous wrote:If you had to choose between these two schools which one would you pick?

Iowa obviously. Look at the recruiting and where the alumni are.

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The relevant networks are the Big 10 and the PAC 12. One is the entire west coast the other is Iowa to Maryland.

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Iowa.

How long until Arizona runs out of water?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m someone that lives in Chicago and has researched and visited Phoenix extensively as a potential retirement destination, so I personally like both places (albeit for very different reasons). I don’t have any personal connection U of Iowa or U of Arizona, but know quite a few grads from both. Here’s my take FWIW:

(1) From a pure academic standpoint, I agree that Iowa and Arizona are peer schools and, ultimately, this is going to come down to a preference between campuses, culture, climate, where one would prefer to live post-graduation, etc.

(2) That being said, I feel like there’s a lot of projecting of personal perceptions about the politics/crime in Chicago compared to Phoenix as if that is also correlated to future post-grad job opportunities - and that is soooooo totally far off that it needs to be vigorously refuted. The scope and depth of post-grad career (not just “job”) opportunities in Chicago, particularly in DCUM-favored positions like finance, consulting and tech, completely blow away Phoenix. It’s not even close. People comparing Phoenix to Chicago on that front might as well be comparing Phoenix to DC or Boston. Even to the extent that there’s job growth in Phoenix, it’s still much more “back office” positions compared to the preponderance of “front office” positions in Chicago. Once again, Chicago and Phoenix shouldn’t be compared as job markets any more than Phoenix and Des Moines.

(3) The proper regional market comparison is really Phoenix and Minneapolis. Minneapolis is a little smaller than Phoenix, but punches above its weight in corporate headquarters, which in turn means that it punches above its weight in front-line services to those corporations, such as finance, accounting, consulting, tech, etc.

(4) I’m not surprised that Iowa grads were surveyed to be slightly happier with their post-grad outcomes compared to Arizona grads due to points 2 and 3 above. The markets of Chicago and Minneapolis are REALLY great markets for college grads just out of school and Iowa sends a lot of its grads to both of those markets. As a result, Iowa would naturally punch above its weight in terms of job placement compared to its rankings.

(5) A factor that I just don’t know about is whether Arizona has a cross-state secondary pipeline to the Los Angeles market that is similar to Iowa to Chicago and Minneapolis (to the extent that OP cares). That could be a counter to what I’ve pointed out about Iowa, but I’m not familiar enough with the LA job market to have a cogent opinion on that issue.

The University of Arizona isn’t in Phoenix, genius. You need to do more “research”.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m someone that lives in Chicago and has researched and visited Phoenix extensively as a potential retirement destination, so I personally like both places (albeit for very different reasons). I don’t have any personal connection U of Iowa or U of Arizona, but know quite a few grads from both. Here’s my take FWIW:

(1) From a pure academic standpoint, I agree that Iowa and Arizona are peer schools and, ultimately, this is going to come down to a preference between campuses, culture, climate, where one would prefer to live post-graduation, etc.

(2) That being said, I feel like there’s a lot of projecting of personal perceptions about the politics/crime in Chicago compared to Phoenix as if that is also correlated to future post-grad job opportunities - and that is soooooo totally far off that it needs to be vigorously refuted. The scope and depth of post-grad career (not just “job”) opportunities in Chicago, particularly in DCUM-favored positions like finance, consulting and tech, completely blow away Phoenix. It’s not even close. People comparing Phoenix to Chicago on that front might as well be comparing Phoenix to DC or Boston. Even to the extent that there’s job growth in Phoenix, it’s still much more “back office” positions compared to the preponderance of “front office” positions in Chicago. Once again, Chicago and Phoenix shouldn’t be compared as job markets any more than Phoenix and Des Moines.

(3) The proper regional market comparison is really Phoenix and Minneapolis. Minneapolis is a little smaller than Phoenix, but punches above its weight in corporate headquarters, which in turn means that it punches above its weight in front-line services to those corporations, such as finance, accounting, consulting, tech, etc.

(4) I’m not surprised that Iowa grads were surveyed to be slightly happier with their post-grad outcomes compared to Arizona grads due to points 2 and 3 above. The markets of Chicago and Minneapolis are REALLY great markets for college grads just out of school and Iowa sends a lot of its grads to both of those markets. As a result, Iowa would naturally punch above its weight in terms of job placement compared to its rankings.

(5) A factor that I just don’t know about is whether Arizona has a cross-state secondary pipeline to the Los Angeles market that is similar to Iowa to Chicago and Minneapolis (to the extent that OP cares). That could be a counter to what I’ve pointed out about Iowa, but I’m not familiar enough with the LA job market to have a cogent opinion on that issue.

The University of Arizona isn’t in Phoenix, genius. You need to do more “research”.

And I'm pretty sure that U of Iowa isn't in Chicago. This person was talking about the biggest metro area that graduates might go to I believe.

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I am an Iowa alum and I’ve honestly been surprised by how much network there is in DC and how respected it is here. Not sure if the same is true of Arizona, but I think a lot of Iowans end up in DC because the caucuses get a lot of kids into politics young so now there’s a pipeline.