UArizona or UIowa

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lots of comments here about the climate rather than the education.

If you look at the WSJ survey of attitudes of recent alums (on a scale of ten):

Was your college the right choice: Iowa: 8.6; Arizona; 8.3
Were the students around you inspiring: Iowa: 7.6; Arizona: 7.4
Was your college worth the cost: Iowa: 7.7; Arizona: 7.3

Those are strong scores for both, and the gaps aren't huge, but Iowa grads rate their experience higher.

Weather is one of the major differences between these schools. Why not consider it. I'm surprised OP's kid doesn't have a strong preference. If we are only going to look at the numbers, Iowa is slightly higher ranked than AZ, but, I wouldn't send my kid to either of these schools out of state.

The following VA and MD schools are all better: UVA, WM, VT, JMU, GMU, UMD, UMBC.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of comments here about the climate rather than the education.

If you look at the WSJ survey of attitudes of recent alums (on a scale of ten):

Was your college the right choice: Iowa: 8.6; Arizona; 8.3
Were the students around you inspiring: Iowa: 7.6; Arizona: 7.4
Was your college worth the cost: Iowa: 7.7; Arizona: 7.3

Those are strong scores for both, and the gaps aren't huge, but Iowa grads rate their experience higher.

margin of error. ignore

I generally ignore the margin of error differences (though don't know if this falls within it since no SD is given), but the trend is slightly in Iowa's favor for every item. That's at least enough to say all the people who auto-default to AZ might want to be more hesitant.

[Anonymous]

Iowa is a super depressing town and environment with a HARDCORE party culture. Think like as cold as Ithaca but somehow even more remote, and somehow even more depressing, except all the students drink three times as much and are twice as horny.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DH and I are from the midwest and now live in AZ. Would never ever move back. U of A wins hands down. If the person doesn't want to stay in the midwest, why go to Iowa? If they want to stay in the SW Arizona has better networking.

How do you know where OP's kid wants to live/work? For instance, I never want to live in the water-deprived SW again. And I love Tucson. It just seems so dead-end for the future in terms of climate. (Not sure I want to live in Iowa though either with the floods!). Chicago and other northern midwest cities are on the up-swing with climate change for the long term--and they also aren't going to be flooded with retirees like AZ--so I'd rather settle there if I were a young job-seeker. (Not saying that anyone should share my tastes--just saying that we don't know what OP's are).

Are you illiterate? I said it depends on where they want to live. Grew up in Chicago. It sucks and would never move back. This isn't about you it's about OP. You don't seem to know much about Chicago or AZ so I don't know why you're even in this conversation. If you did you would know it's not retirees flooding AZ.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DH and I are from the midwest and now live in AZ. Would never ever move back. U of A wins hands down. If the person doesn't want to stay in the midwest, why go to Iowa? If they want to stay in the SW Arizona has better networking.

How do you know where OP's kid wants to live/work? For instance, I never want to live in the water-deprived SW again. And I love Tucson. It just seems so dead-end for the future in terms of climate. (Not sure I want to live in Iowa though either with the floods!). Chicago and other northern midwest cities are on the up-swing with climate change for the long term--and they also aren't going to be flooded with retirees like AZ--so I'd rather settle there if I were a young job-seeker. (Not saying that anyone should share my tastes--just saying that we don't know what OP's are).

Are you illiterate? I said it depends on where they want to live. Grew up in Chicago. It sucks and would never move back. This isn't about you it's about OP. You don't seem to know much about Chicago or AZ so I don't know why you're even in this conversation. If you did you would know it's not retirees flooding AZ.

I grew up in Chicago and lived in AZ.
You said " U of A wins hands down. If the person doesn't want to stay in the midwest, why go to Iowa? If they want to stay in the SW Arizona has better networking." Your phrasing suggests you think they don't want to stay in the midwest and you think they want to stay in the SW.

And Arizona is the #2 net migration location for retirees after Florida according to the most recent US Census Bureau report.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of comments here about the climate rather than the education.

If you look at the WSJ survey of attitudes of recent alums (on a scale of ten):

Was your college the right choice: Iowa: 8.6; Arizona; 8.3
Were the students around you inspiring: Iowa: 7.6; Arizona: 7.4
Was your college worth the cost: Iowa: 7.7; Arizona: 7.3

Those are strong scores for both, and the gaps aren't huge, but Iowa grads rate their experience higher.

Weather is one of the major differences between these schools. Why not consider it. I'm surprised OP's kid doesn't have a strong preference. If we are only going to look at the numbers, Iowa is slightly higher ranked than AZ, but, I wouldn't send my kid to either of these schools out of state.

The following VA and MD schools are all better: UVA, WM, VT, JMU, GMU, UMD, UMBC.

Don't be a clown.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DH and I are from the midwest and now live in AZ. Would never ever move back. U of A wins hands down. If the person doesn't want to stay in the midwest, why go to Iowa? If they want to stay in the SW Arizona has better networking.

How do you know where OP's kid wants to live/work? For instance, I never want to live in the water-deprived SW again. And I love Tucson. It just seems so dead-end for the future in terms of climate. (Not sure I want to live in Iowa though either with the floods!). Chicago and other northern midwest cities are on the up-swing with climate change for the long term--and they also aren't going to be flooded with retirees like AZ--so I'd rather settle there if I were a young job-seeker. (Not saying that anyone should share my tastes--just saying that we don't know what OP's are).

Are you illiterate? I said it depends on where they want to live. Grew up in Chicago. It sucks and would never move back. This isn't about you it's about OP. You don't seem to know much about Chicago or AZ so I don't know why you're even in this conversation. If you did you would know it's not retirees flooding AZ.

I grew up in Chicago and lived in AZ.
You said " U of A wins hands down. If the person doesn't want to stay in the midwest, why go to Iowa? If they want to stay in the SW Arizona has better networking." Your phrasing suggests you think they don't want to stay in the midwest and you think they want to stay in the SW.

And Arizona is the #2 net migration location for retirees after Florida according to the most recent US Census Bureau report.

Retirees aren't the only people on the move you know. Most people moving to AZ these days are from California.
https://azbigmedia.com/lifestyle/top-10-states-people-are-leaving-and-moving-to-arizona/

Millennials in particular are flocking to Phoenix. https://www.inmaricopa.com/phoenix-popular-city-millennials-moving-west-south/

The OP doesn't say where they live at all, I didn't assume they are even currently in the midwest. So if not even from the midwest why would they want to stay after graduation? Iowa is getting older and grayer, upwardly mobile young people tend to move out and never come back. Arizona is more attractive to long people for obvious reason as backed up by migration patterns as well. This doesn't seem to be a hard decision. Unless you live in Iowa and want in state tuition, but again, OP is short on the details.

[Anonymous]

Iowa is a super depressing town and environment with a HARDCORE party culture. Think like as cold as Ithaca but somehow even more remote, and somehow even more depressing, except all the students drink three times as much and are twice as horny.

okay, if you insist: Tucson is a drab blacktop sprawl with nice winter weather (can't let a sentence go by without commenting on that....) but wretched crime rates - among the most dangerous 10% of metro areas in the country -- and UofA is, apart from a few science grad programs, mostly a cramped party school for SoCal airheads who couldn't get into one of their state schools, and for poorly prepared AZ locals coming from a state with lower per capita education spending than WV or Mississippi.

[Anonymous]

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Iowa is a super depressing town and environment with a HARDCORE party culture. Think like as cold as Ithaca but somehow even more remote, and somehow even more depressing, except all the students drink three times as much and are twice as horny.

okay, if you insist: Tucson is a drab blacktop sprawl with nice winter weather (can't let a sentence go by without commenting on that....) but wretched crime rates - among the most dangerous 10% of metro areas in the country -- and UofA is, apart from a few science grad programs, mostly a cramped party school for SoCal airheads who couldn't get into one of their state schools, and for poorly prepared AZ locals coming from a state with lower per capita education spending than WV or Mississippi.

What kind of people do you think are at University of Iowa?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DH and I are from the midwest and now live in AZ. Would never ever move back. U of A wins hands down. If the person doesn't want to stay in the midwest, why go to Iowa? If they want to stay in the SW Arizona has better networking.

How do you know where OP's kid wants to live/work? For instance, I never want to live in the water-deprived SW again. And I love Tucson. It just seems so dead-end for the future in terms of climate. (Not sure I want to live in Iowa though either with the floods!). Chicago and other northern midwest cities are on the up-swing with climate change for the long term--and they also aren't going to be flooded with retirees like AZ--so I'd rather settle there if I were a young job-seeker. (Not saying that anyone should share my tastes--just saying that we don't know what OP's are).

Are you illiterate? I said it depends on where they want to live. Grew up in Chicago. It sucks and would never move back. This isn't about you it's about OP. You don't seem to know much about Chicago or AZ so I don't know why you're even in this conversation. If you did you would know it's not retirees flooding AZ.

I grew up in Chicago and lived in AZ.
You said " U of A wins hands down. If the person doesn't want to stay in the midwest, why go to Iowa? If they want to stay in the SW Arizona has better networking." Your phrasing suggests you think they don't want to stay in the midwest and you think they want to stay in the SW.

And Arizona is the #2 net migration location for retirees after Florida according to the most recent US Census Bureau report.

Retirees aren't the only people on the move you know. Most people moving to AZ these days are from California.
https://azbigmedia.com/lifestyle/top-10-states-people-are-leaving-and-moving-to-arizona/

Millennials in particular are flocking to Phoenix. https://www.inmaricopa.com/phoenix-popular-city-millennials-moving-west-south/

The OP doesn't say where they live at all, I didn't assume they are even currently in the midwest. So if not even from the midwest why would they want to stay after graduation? Iowa is getting older and grayer, upwardly mobile young people tend to move out and never come back. Arizona is more attractive to long people for obvious reason as backed up by migration patterns as well. This doesn't seem to be a hard decision. Unless you live in Iowa and want in state tuition, but again, OP is short on the details.

Still, a 36000 net migration of retirees to AZ surpasses all their other generational migration.

[Anonymous]

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margin of error. ignore

yeah, and the election was stolen.

huh?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DH and I are from the midwest and now live in AZ. Would never ever move back. U of A wins hands down. If the person doesn't want to stay in the midwest, why go to Iowa? If they want to stay in the SW Arizona has better networking.

How do you know where OP's kid wants to live/work? For instance, I never want to live in the water-deprived SW again. And I love Tucson. It just seems so dead-end for the future in terms of climate. (Not sure I want to live in Iowa though either with the floods!). Chicago and other northern midwest cities are on the up-swing with climate change for the long term--and they also aren't going to be flooded with retirees like AZ--so I'd rather settle there if I were a young job-seeker. (Not saying that anyone should share my tastes--just saying that we don't know what OP's are).

Are you illiterate? I said it depends on where they want to live. Grew up in Chicago. It sucks and would never move back. This isn't about you it's about OP. You don't seem to know much about Chicago or AZ so I don't know why you're even in this conversation. If you did you would know it's not retirees flooding AZ.

I grew up in Chicago and lived in AZ.
You said " U of A wins hands down. If the person doesn't want to stay in the midwest, why go to Iowa? If they want to stay in the SW Arizona has better networking." Your phrasing suggests you think they don't want to stay in the midwest and you think they want to stay in the SW.

And Arizona is the #2 net migration location for retirees after Florida according to the most recent US Census Bureau report.

Retirees aren't the only people on the move you know. Most people moving to AZ these days are from California.
https://azbigmedia.com/lifestyle/top-10-states-people-are-leaving-and-moving-to-arizona/

Millennials in particular are flocking to Phoenix. https://www.inmaricopa.com/phoenix-popular-city-millennials-moving-west-south/

The OP doesn't say where they live at all, I didn't assume they are even currently in the midwest. So if not even from the midwest why would they want to stay after graduation? Iowa is getting older and grayer, upwardly mobile young people tend to move out and never come back. Arizona is more attractive to long people for obvious reason as backed up by migration patterns as well. This doesn't seem to be a hard decision. Unless you live in Iowa and want in state tuition, but again, OP is short on the details.

Still, a 36000 net migration of retirees to AZ surpasses all their other generational migration.

NP. Now do Iowa.

[Anonymous]

What kind of people do you think are at University of Iowa?

Public schools in Iowa and Illinois are ranked in the top 20 of all US states.

Public schools in Arizona and California are ranked in the bottom 10 of all states.

"But the climate!!"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DH and I are from the midwest and now live in AZ. Would never ever move back. U of A wins hands down. If the person doesn't want to stay in the midwest, why go to Iowa? If they want to stay in the SW Arizona has better networking.

How do you know where OP's kid wants to live/work? For instance, I never want to live in the water-deprived SW again. And I love Tucson. It just seems so dead-end for the future in terms of climate. (Not sure I want to live in Iowa though either with the floods!). Chicago and other northern midwest cities are on the up-swing with climate change for the long term--and they also aren't going to be flooded with retirees like AZ--so I'd rather settle there if I were a young job-seeker. (Not saying that anyone should share my tastes--just saying that we don't know what OP's are).

Are you illiterate? I said it depends on where they want to live. Grew up in Chicago. It sucks and would never move back. This isn't about you it's about OP. You don't seem to know much about Chicago or AZ so I don't know why you're even in this conversation. If you did you would know it's not retirees flooding AZ.

I grew up in Chicago and lived in AZ.
You said " U of A wins hands down. If the person doesn't want to stay in the midwest, why go to Iowa? If they want to stay in the SW Arizona has better networking." Your phrasing suggests you think they don't want to stay in the midwest and you think they want to stay in the SW.

And Arizona is the #2 net migration location for retirees after Florida according to the most recent US Census Bureau report.

Retirees aren't the only people on the move you know. Most people moving to AZ these days are from California.
https://azbigmedia.com/lifestyle/top-10-states-people-are-leaving-and-moving-to-arizona/

Millennials in particular are flocking to Phoenix. https://www.inmaricopa.com/phoenix-popular-city-millennials-moving-west-south/

The OP doesn't say where they live at all, I didn't assume they are even currently in the midwest. So if not even from the midwest why would they want to stay after graduation? Iowa is getting older and grayer, upwardly mobile young people tend to move out and never come back. Arizona is more attractive to long people for obvious reason as backed up by migration patterns as well. This doesn't seem to be a hard decision. Unless you live in Iowa and want in state tuition, but again, OP is short on the details.

Still, a 36000 net migration of retirees to AZ surpasses all their other generational migration.

Arizona isn't even in the top half of the oldest states by age. Illinois and Iowa both have a higher average age. So if you're trying to avoid the retirees why would you stay in the midwest?

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/states-with-the-oldest-population.html
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/oldest-states

[Anonymous]

Iowa City is a fantastic place - yes, winters are cold but I'm more tolerant of midwest cold than southwest heat.