Are the wealthy leaving MCPS?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Private school (particularly before HS) isn’t about greater academics its about not having to do stuff:

- not having to compete for sports because every gets to play and in some cases has to play a sport a couple of seasons,
- not having to supplement or provide extracurriculars because everything is at school
- not having to encourage and motivate because the school will do all the hand holding
- not having to land the helicopter because the environment is small and everyone is going to remain naive about the world much longer


Aside from writing in upper ES/MS there is going to be very little difference in what kids learn in private vs a good public school.

I’m sure someone will comment on breadth vs depth in the comparison between public and private, to which I always respond, one is not better than the other. Particularly as kids don’t need to be experts on most things.

Think about the network at private school vs public school. Think about how many more super wealthy kids your kids will make friends with and the doors that may open.

Some of what is behind those doors ain’t pretty.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It sure seems like many affluent in Bethesda/ Potomac, Chevy Chase are exiting MCPS in droves. Has anyone else observed this happening?

There's no evidence to support this. People seem to be happy with the exception of a few far-right posters that like to stir up trouble.

Ya the same poster keeps starting these doom and gloom threads. I think they have a political agenda, but the reality is my kids are getting a much better education than I got 25 years ago at Wooton.

Same poster starting the same thing over in a new thread every day. They really hate public education.

Google Corey DeAngelis. It's like his job to tear down public education. He is a childless man who went to state schools. Works for Cato.

I will now add that I am not saying he posts here. How would I know if he does or not? I will say he is an excellent example of a certain type and much of their rhetoric is repeated here.

I think MCPS is giving them more pushback than some of the other regional boards. Let's keep it up.

DP.. you guys do realize that MCPS admitted that enrollment has gone down unexpectedly, right?

-MCPS parent

No, it was expected to go down because of the pandemic and online learning.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know why any sane person would put down $2+ million on a house in MoCo rather than in Virginia (or even the District).

This.

You can deny it all you want, but it’s clear that MCPS is a failing school system. It’s failing our students and many staff will argue that Central Office is even failing to support our teachers. Morale is low and there seems to be no improvement to come.

YES! I was talking with friends this weekend about the fact that if I could do it all over I'd move to Virginia or even stay in DC (lived in NW DC until moving to MoCo). Holy sh!t what a terrible mistake - I am so envious of friends who live in McLean and Vienna and Falls Church - great neighborhoods and great schools for the same and even less than I paid for my shoebox in MoCo.

Troll, you lost any credibility when you posted the above. There are no great schools over there besides TJ.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Private school (particularly before HS) isn’t about greater academics its about not having to do stuff:

- not having to compete for sports because every gets to play and in some cases has to play a sport a couple of seasons,
- not having to supplement or provide extracurriculars because everything is at school
- not having to encourage and motivate because the school will do all the hand holding
- not having to land the helicopter because the environment is small and everyone is going to remain naive about the world much longer


Aside from writing in upper ES/MS there is going to be very little difference in what kids learn in private vs a good public school.

I’m sure someone will comment on breadth vs depth in the comparison between public and private, to which I always respond, one is not better than the other. Particularly as kids don’t need to be experts on most things.

Maybe about 5-10 years ago. Not anymore. MCPS grade inflation was already rampant before covid and now forget about it.

Grade inflation is 3x higher in private schools

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know why any sane person would put down $2+ million on a house in MoCo rather than in Virginia (or even the District).

Muff and I were just talking about this over virgin bellinis whilst Trip and Chumbles took Trip's boat out (boys and their toys) and we agreed that the real problem is, Maryland doesn't have enough palladium windows. Additionally, its supply of fake French Chateaux which are over 7,000 square feet is quite limited. I mean, it isn't like we are one of those *new* families from Kunming or Dubai or Chennai, but we still like a certain amount of space. I have my craft room, and Chumbles likes his man cave. He's becoming a fantastic craft brewer, did I tell you? Plus, think of the children.

Oh, wait. Where are the children? Let me text their au pairs. Give me a moment.

Right. Where were we? Ah yes. The rich are fleeing Montgomery County. Indeed. I almost joined the caravan heading toward the Chain Bridge yesterday, but it was so full of Range Rovers and I mean, really. There's such a thing as trying *too* hard. Like Louisa? You know Louisa? No, not Louisa M. Or Louisa P. Adult-Lousia--you know, thin, blonde, ponytail... From yoga... Right. The biracial one. Is she? I mean, I'm not sure. It's not like I could ask? So they actually chartered a helicopter to airlift the family out. Like something from Miss Saigon! Oh! I hope that wasn't offensive that I said Saigon. You're not...

Oh. Well, yes. I didn't think you were Vietnamese, but you know, it's so awkward to ask. I was just telling Chumbles the other day, we wouldn't have this kind of awkwardness in Virginia. And then he made this joke... Uh, maybe it's not appropriate. His family. *You* know. They practically invented the institution. Old money. Which institution? Uh, never mind. Where were we?

Where are those kids? Could you text your au pair? One of the problems of having such a big house! I hate this modern style. It was a Chumbles. He has such a flair.

In Virginia we can have a nice French Chateaux.I cannot wait.

It's, "Palladian," you pleeb.

It's also chateau ...

Châteaux is the plural of chateau. The poster was correct.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know why any sane person would put down $2+ million on a house in MoCo rather than in Virginia (or even the District).

This.

You can deny it all you want, but it’s clear that MCPS is a failing school system. It’s failing our students and many staff will argue that Central Office is even failing to support our teachers. Morale is low and there seems to be no improvement to come.

YES! I was talking with friends this weekend about the fact that if I could do it all over I'd move to Virginia or even stay in DC (lived in NW DC until moving to MoCo). Holy sh!t what a terrible mistake - I am so envious of friends who live in McLean and Vienna and Falls Church - great neighborhoods and great schools for the same and even less than I paid for my shoebox in MoCo.

+1000 but remember it USED to be better, I think. MCPS really began to fall apart about 10 years ago - wheels came off in pandemic. Comes down to culture - something about the staff changed. We couldn’t afford private so moved out of DMV from W cluster. So pleased my tax dollars no longer support the place. If I could do it again should have stayed in VA.

Not only do we have private schools trolls but we also have NoVa trolls trying to sell their inferior products and taking shots at MCPS.
How about we meet up on Saturday mornings and compete in academically?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s plainly true that many people with the means left MCPS over the last two years in the wealthiest clusters. Out neighborhood pre pandemic was like 30-40% private. Now it is closer to 70%. Most that made the switch aren’t coming back. So definitely fewer wealthy families using public in our neighborhood but it is not everyone by any means.

BS

I don’t know why people find this hard to believe, but it’s true. This is one of the wealthier neighborhoods in the county so it’s not representative. But there has been a strong exodus to private.

Same in my neighborhood. I'd say 20 years ago about 10% to 20% of kids attended private, but now it is well over half, perhaps more. They tend to give MCPS a shot and then peel off by about 3rd or 4th grade.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Private school (particularly before HS) isn’t about greater academics its about not having to do stuff:

- not having to compete for sports because every gets to play and in some cases has to play a sport a couple of seasons,
- not having to supplement or provide extracurriculars because everything is at school
- not having to encourage and motivate because the school will do all the hand holding
- not having to land the helicopter because the environment is small and everyone is going to remain naive about the world much longer


Aside from writing in upper ES/MS there is going to be very little difference in what kids learn in private vs a good public school.

I’m sure someone will comment on breadth vs depth in the comparison between public and private, to which I always respond, one is not better than the other. Particularly as kids don’t need to be experts on most things.

Maybe about 5-10 years ago. Not anymore. MCPS grade inflation was already rampant before covid and now forget about it.

Grade inflation is 3x higher in private schools

You're funny. I sometimes feel like I'm paying for my kids to get bad grades in private. Very untrue. Look at the percent of kids at MCPS on "honor roll" or in "honors" classes. It's a joke. And it catches up to some of them in college, unfortunately. I agree the magnets are better than privates - but there are more seats at privates than at magnets! Why we won't invest in challenging ALL kids is beyond me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Private school (particularly before HS) isn’t about greater academics its about not having to do stuff:

- not having to compete for sports because every gets to play and in some cases has to play a sport a couple of seasons,
- not having to supplement or provide extracurriculars because everything is at school
- not having to encourage and motivate because the school will do all the hand holding
- not having to land the helicopter because the environment is small and everyone is going to remain naive about the world much longer


Aside from writing in upper ES/MS there is going to be very little difference in what kids learn in private vs a good public school.

I’m sure someone will comment on breadth vs depth in the comparison between public and private, to which I always respond, one is not better than the other. Particularly as kids don’t need to be experts on most things.

Maybe about 5-10 years ago. Not anymore. MCPS grade inflation was already rampant before covid and now forget about it.

Grade inflation is 3x higher in private schools

You're funny. I sometimes feel like I'm paying for my kids to get bad grades in private. Very untrue. Look at the percent of kids at MCPS on "honor roll" or in "honors" classes. It's a joke. And it catches up to some of them in college, unfortunately. I agree the magnets are better than privates - but there are more seats at privates than at magnets! Why we won't invest in challenging ALL kids is beyond me.

You can deny it all you want but grade inflation is 3x higher in private schools.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/07/17/easy-a-nearly-half-hs-seniors-graduate-average/485787001/

Actually, they said, the upward creep is most pronounced in schools with large numbers of white, wealthy students. And its especially noticeable in private schools, where the rate of inflation was about three times higher than in public schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s plainly true that many people with the means left MCPS over the last two years in the wealthiest clusters. Out neighborhood pre pandemic was like 30-40% private. Now it is closer to 70%. Most that made the switch aren’t coming back. So definitely fewer wealthy families using public in our neighborhood but it is not everyone by any means.

BS

I don’t know why people find this hard to believe, but it’s true. This is one of the wealthier neighborhoods in the county so it’s not representative. But there has been a strong exodus to private.

Same in my neighborhood. I'd say 20 years ago about 10% to 20% of kids attended private, but now it is well over half, perhaps more. They tend to give MCPS a shot and then peel off by about 3rd or 4th grade.

And then most of them come back by 9th grade

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most high earners I know have gone to private. I'm not even talking about rich, just 250k+.
There's very little reason to stay in mcps.

Then you must be talking about a small sample size or don’t know many high earners. Top schools in the DMV while they have earners in the 250k and even below range, those are in the minority. The majority make 450k+ . And news flash, high earners ‘haven’t gone private’ many were already there. People in the 250k range if in private are making sacrifices to be there. Most are still in public.

[Anonymous]

This has got to be one of the most DCUM threads ever.

We know MCPS went from 166,000 pre-pandemic, to about 159,000 now. What the socio-economic status of the 7k who left is anybody's guess. Any anecdotal responses about neighborhoods is just that: anecdotal

I can tell you we left for private (that's 2 of the 7k) and our income makes us wealthy by normal people standards, but poor by DCUM standards

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Private school (particularly before HS) isn’t about greater academics its about not having to do stuff:

- not having to compete for sports because every gets to play and in some cases has to play a sport a couple of seasons,
- not having to supplement or provide extracurriculars because everything is at school
- not having to encourage and motivate because the school will do all the hand holding
- not having to land the helicopter because the environment is small and everyone is going to remain naive about the world much longer


Aside from writing in upper ES/MS there is going to be very little difference in what kids learn in private vs a good public school.

I’m sure someone will comment on breadth vs depth in the comparison between public and private, to which I always respond, one is not better than the other. Particularly as kids don’t need to be experts on most things.

Maybe about 5-10 years ago. Not anymore. MCPS grade inflation was already rampant before covid and now forget about it.

Grade inflation is 3x higher in private schools

You're funny. I sometimes feel like I'm paying for my kids to get bad grades in private. Very untrue. Look at the percent of kids at MCPS on "honor roll" or in "honors" classes. It's a joke. And it catches up to some of them in college, unfortunately. I agree the magnets are better than privates - but there are more seats at privates than at magnets! Why we won't invest in challenging ALL kids is beyond me.

You can deny it all you want but grade inflation is 3x higher in private schools.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/07/17/easy-a-nearly-half-hs-seniors-graduate-average/485787001/

Actually, they said, the upward creep is most pronounced in schools with large numbers of white, wealthy students. And its especially noticeable in private schools, where the rate of inflation was about three times higher than in public schools

Not in most private schools in the DMV. MCPS was always a joke with their "honors" for all, but now they have reached the lowest of the lowest with their bloated grade inflation. And college admissions folks know all about it. Glad my kid is in her $40K a year private working hard for her As and Bs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Private school (particularly before HS) isn’t about greater academics its about not having to do stuff:

- not having to compete for sports because every gets to play and in some cases has to play a sport a couple of seasons,
- not having to supplement or provide extracurriculars because everything is at school
- not having to encourage and motivate because the school will do all the hand holding
- not having to land the helicopter because the environment is small and everyone is going to remain naive about the world much longer


Aside from writing in upper ES/MS there is going to be very little difference in what kids learn in private vs a good public school.

I’m sure someone will comment on breadth vs depth in the comparison between public and private, to which I always respond, one is not better than the other. Particularly as kids don’t need to be experts on most things.

Maybe about 5-10 years ago. Not anymore. MCPS grade inflation was already rampant before covid and now forget about it.

Grade inflation is 3x higher in private schools

You're funny. I sometimes feel like I'm paying for my kids to get bad grades in private. Very untrue. Look at the percent of kids at MCPS on "honor roll" or in "honors" classes. It's a joke. And it catches up to some of them in college, unfortunately. I agree the magnets are better than privates - but there are more seats at privates than at magnets! Why we won't invest in challenging ALL kids is beyond me.

You can deny it all you want but grade inflation is 3x higher in private schools.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/07/17/easy-a-nearly-half-hs-seniors-graduate-average/485787001/

Actually, they said, the upward creep is most pronounced in schools with large numbers of white, wealthy students. And its especially noticeable in private schools, where the rate of inflation was about three times higher than in public schools

Not in most private schools in the DMV. MCPS was always a joke with their "honors" for all, but now they have reached the lowest of the lowest with their bloated grade inflation. And college admissions folks know all about it. Glad my kid is in her $40K a year private working hard for her As and Bs.

I think you meant you're paying $40,000 for your kids As and Bs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It sure seems like many affluent in Bethesda/ Potomac, Chevy Chase are exiting MCPS in droves. Has anyone else observed this happening?

There's no evidence to support this. People seem to be happy with the exception of a few far-right posters that like to stir up trouble.

Ya the same poster keeps starting these doom and gloom threads. I think they have a political agenda, but the reality is my kids are getting a much better education than I got 25 years ago at Wooton.

Same poster starting the same thing over in a new thread every day. They really hate public education.

Google Corey DeAngelis. It's like his job to tear down public education. He is a childless man who went to state schools. Works for Cato.

I will now add that I am not saying he posts here. How would I know if he does or not? I will say he is an excellent example of a certain type and much of their rhetoric is repeated here.

I think MCPS is giving them more pushback than some of the other regional boards. Let's keep it up.

DP.. you guys do realize that MCPS admitted that enrollment has gone down unexpectedly, right?

-MCPS parent

No, it was expected to go down because of the pandemic and online learning.

? Online learning in MCPS VL is still counted as part of the student body.

The rest left MCPS: some moved, others went to private.

Once again: MCPS has acknowledged that for the first time in 10 years, the total enrollment dipped below 160K. Once again: some moved out of MoCo, whle others went to private.

Private school have stated that applications have gone up by a lot. I don't doubt that many did pull their kids out and put them in private during the past two years. I know of a few personally.

We are still in MCPS. Hindsight: I wish that I had pulled my MSer DC out and put them in private for two years, but I kept hoping that things would get better. DC got an A in Algebra during VL last year (and other classes), so I had assumed DC was doing fine.. Just got DC's MCAP results for Alg. It was abysmal. How in the world did DC get an A but a score of 4 in MCAP? Something like 90% of students in MCPS Alg1 scored below expectations. This is why parents are furious. I'm furious.

The easy grading and lack of HW during VL created this mess. Yes, I know grading and HW was pretty lacking precovid, but it was better. DC's PARCC scores for ELA/math were always good -- meets expectations. The year of VL, the scores tanked. MCPS has acknowledged that the scores tanked across the board.

You can try to spin it any which way, but MCPS isn't doing "fine". Granted, many school districts aren't doing fine, but we are in MCPS, so let's focus on MCPS.

It's not fine. That's why a lot of parents who could left.