I want transparency and accountability from UVA

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t want Dean J’s cute little videos about their holistic approach and how they want to see this and that from a student. I don’t need dean j at all. For in state admissions I want a formula. Kid took these classes, got these grades, got that SAT, then guaranteed admission to UVA or WM or Vtech or whatever other VA state school, end of story. Otherwise you are not getting my tax dollars.

You pretty much ARE guaranteed a spot at a Virginia public school if you really want one. But a lot of people are too name obsessed to consider some of them. There are too many people to let all high school graduates have a spot at the three big names, of course.

Who is making you watch Dean J's videos? If you don't want them, don't watch them.

There are 31 public institutions of higher learning in Virginia (including community colleges with transfer agreements to UVA and the other four year schools). There’s something for everyone. We are blessed to have so many options in Virginia

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t want Dean J’s cute little videos about their holistic approach and how they want to see this and that from a student. I don’t need dean j at all. For in state admissions I want a formula. Kid took these classes, got these grades, got that SAT, then guaranteed admission to UVA or WM or Vtech or whatever other VA state school, end of story. Otherwise you are not getting my tax dollars.

Sounds like what you really want is a guarantee that your kid gets into UVA. Here's a cheaper, faster, more practical solution: open your mindset to seeing success at many VA colleges. Trust that your kid is capable enough to be successful wherever he or she goes!

It's liberating when you expand the number of acceptable pathways!

+1

There is an admissions guarantee at UVA, but as PP have pointed out, a lot of people won't even consider it worthy of their kid. They list courses and grades needed for guaranteed admission.

https://admission.virginia.edu/transfer/guaranteed-transfer-admission

Yes! Secret is out!

It is great there is such an option for kids who need more time to come up to speed academically or who are in a very unfortunate financial/personal position to start a four year college. It is silly to suggest this route to academically high achieving kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t want Dean J’s cute little videos about their holistic approach and how they want to see this and that from a student. I don’t need dean j at all. For in state admissions I want a formula. Kid took these classes, got these grades, got that SAT, then guaranteed admission to UVA or WM or Vtech or whatever other VA state school, end of story. Otherwise you are not getting my tax dollars.

You pretty much ARE guaranteed a spot at a Virginia public school if you really want one. But a lot of people are too name obsessed to consider some of them. There are too many people to let all high school graduates have a spot at the three big names, of course.

Who is making you watch Dean J's videos? If you don't want them, don't watch them.

Calm down Dean J, make a video of how you randomly decide to choose one applicant over another, maybe I’ll watch it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t want Dean J’s cute little videos about their holistic approach and how they want to see this and that from a student. I don’t need dean j at all. For in state admissions I want a formula. Kid took these classes, got these grades, got that SAT, then guaranteed admission to UVA or WM or Vtech or whatever other VA state school, end of story. Otherwise you are not getting my tax dollars.

Sounds like what you really want is a guarantee that your kid gets into UVA. Here's a cheaper, faster, more practical solution: open your mindset to seeing success at many VA colleges. Trust that your kid is capable enough to be successful wherever he or she goes!

It's liberating when you expand the number of acceptable pathways!

+1

There is an admissions guarantee at UVA, but as PP have pointed out, a lot of people won't even consider it worthy of their kid. They list courses and grades needed for guaranteed admission.
https://admission.virginia.edu/transfer/guaranteed-transfer-admission

Yes! Secret is out!

It is great there is such an option for kids who need more time to come up to speed academically or who are in a very unfortunate financial/personal position to start a four year college. It is silly to suggest this route to academically high achieving kids.

You validate that path, but put it down at the same time. It's not for everyone, but it's a smart option if you want a UVA degree and didn't get in.

Anyway...

If OP wanted a guarantee for UVA. There is one. They laid it out on the website.
If OP wanted a guarantee for a state school in Virginia, there pretty much is one. Mary Washington, Radford, and Longwood are usually under-enrolled on May 1.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t want Dean J’s cute little videos about their holistic approach and how they want to see this and that from a student. I don’t need dean j at all. For in state admissions I want a formula. Kid took these classes, got these grades, got that SAT, then guaranteed admission to UVA or WM or Vtech or whatever other VA state school, end of story. Otherwise you are not getting my tax dollars.

This is not the way any college selects students. Why would you want that. There is no formula.

UT is required to do just that by state law. Virginia could impose the same standards on state schools if they choose to

I was about to say the same. Top ten percent gpa in Texas gets you in.

Into any state university? I guess when you have massive schools that could work...

[Anonymous]

I'm guessing my rising senior is in the top 5% FCPS HS with his only "blemish" being an A- in Honors Algebra in 7th grade, but since the school doesn't rank, I can only guess. SAT is in excess of 75th. Unfortunately the dummy has absolutely no interest in UVA. I cant get a straight answer. No issue with applying to W&M, Tech and VCU (along with schools up North).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t want Dean J’s cute little videos about their holistic approach and how they want to see this and that from a student. I don’t need dean j at all. For in state admissions I want a formula. Kid took these classes, got these grades, got that SAT, then guaranteed admission to UVA or WM or Vtech or whatever other VA state school, end of story. Otherwise you are not getting my tax dollars.

Sounds like what you really want is a guarantee that your kid gets into UVA. Here's a cheaper, faster, more practical solution: open your mindset to seeing success at many VA colleges. Trust that your kid is capable enough to be successful wherever he or she goes!

It's liberating when you expand the number of acceptable pathways!

+1

There is an admissions guarantee at UVA, but as PP have pointed out, a lot of people won't even consider it worthy of their kid. They list courses and grades needed for guaranteed admission.

https://admission.virginia.edu/transfer/guaranteed-transfer-admission

Yes! Secret is out!

It is great there is such an option for kids who need more time to come up to speed academically or who are in a very unfortunate financial/personal position to start a four year college. It is silly to suggest this route to academically high achieving kids.

That's right. These parents have paid their taxes. Their kids are ENTITLED to any education they want.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t want Dean J’s cute little videos about their holistic approach and how they want to see this and that from a student. I don’t need dean j at all. For in state admissions I want a formula. Kid took these classes, got these grades, got that SAT, then guaranteed admission to UVA or WM or Vtech or whatever other VA state school, end of story. Otherwise you are not getting my tax dollars.

Sounds like what you really want is a guarantee that your kid gets into UVA. Here's a cheaper, faster, more practical solution: open your mindset to seeing success at many VA colleges. Trust that your kid is capable enough to be successful wherever he or she goes!

It's liberating when you expand the number of acceptable pathways!

+1

There is an admissions guarantee at UVA, but as PP have pointed out, a lot of people won't even consider it worthy of their kid. They list courses and grades needed for guaranteed admission.
https://admission.virginia.edu/transfer/guaranteed-transfer-admission

Yes! Secret is out!

It is great there is such an option for kids who need more time to come up to speed academically or who are in a very unfortunate financial/personal position to start a four year college. It is silly to suggest this route to academically high achieving kids.

You validate that path, but put it down at the same time. It's not for everyone, but it's a smart option if you want a UVA degree and didn't get in.

Anyway...

If OP wanted a guarantee for UVA. There is one. They laid it out on the website.
If OP wanted a guarantee for a state school in Virginia, there pretty much is one. Mary Washington, Radford, and Longwood are usually under-enrolled on May 1.

Read the title, OP wanted transparency in the admission process, at UVA and any other VA school. Not the guess work based on some schev data or wild assumptions by some posters here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is what we foreigners have been saying for years, OP. In the rest of the world, there is a formula, or at least much more of one than here. You have the grades, you get in, is what it essentially boils down to.

Here admissions committees are allowed to be racist, discriminatory, and they openly favor children of alumni, children of billionaire donors, and children with no particular academic strength who happen to be good at sports.

It's disgusting, and yet, the brain-washed American people continue to believe it's a great "holistic" system and they beggar themselves or their children to get in, instead of voting for politicians who might make university low-cost, like in other developed countries.

+1. My kid made it to Oxford totally on merit. 100%. He earned it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t want Dean J’s cute little videos about their holistic approach and how they want to see this and that from a student. I don’t need dean j at all. For in state admissions I want a formula. Kid took these classes, got these grades, got that SAT, then guaranteed admission to UVA or WM or Vtech or whatever other VA state school, end of story. Otherwise you are not getting my tax dollars. [/quote]


It's all provided, annually by The Commonwealth in the State Council on Higher Education report. You can find out everything you would ever want about any statistic of every private and public in Virginia. https://www.schev.edu/index/students-and-parents/explore/virginia-institutions. For example, it tells you that of the students who actually enrolled last fall, the 75th percentile had a 1520, a 35 ACT and a 4.52 GPA. It's all there. Pages and pages of data.

And BTW UVA stopped taking state bucks more than a decade ago so it could spin itself off as a self-sustaining entity. Today it receives less than 6% of its operating budget from the Commonwealth. Meanwhile, its endowment has ballooned.

UVA still receives state appropriations both for operations (about $162M/yr.) and capital projects. The $162M is about 39% more than JMU receives, and JMU has more in-state undergraduates than UVA.

UVA receives only 5.8% of total operating budget from the Commonwealth.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no way the Commonwealth would let these schools go private, nothing to gain. I am surprised at the 6% funding number. I would have guessed it was in the 20% range.

It's now less than 6% from the Commonwealth. From wiki

"As of 2013, UVA's $1.4 billion academic budget is paid for primarily by tuition and fees (32%), research grants (23%), endowment and gifts (19%), and sales and services (12%).[100] The university receives 10% of its academic funds through state appropriation from the Commonwealth of Virginia.[100] For the overall (including non-academic) university budget of $2.6 billion, 45% comes from medical patient revenue.[100] The Commonwealth contributes less than 6%.[100]
Although UVA is the flagship university of Virginia, state funding has decreased for several consecutive decades.[51] Financial support from the state dropped by half from 12 percent of total revenue in 2001–02 to six percent in 2013–14.[51] The portion of academic revenue coming from the state fell by even more in the same period, from 22 percent to just nine percent.[51] This nominal support from the state, contributing just $154 million of UVA's $2.6 billion budget in 2012–13, has led President Sullivan and others to contemplate the partial privatization of the University of Virginia.[101] UVA's Darden School and Law School are already self-sufficient."

Hospital system operations have never been funded by state general fund appropriations. It is funded predominantly by patient fees - insurance, Medicare, Medicaid, out of pocket. So of course it is going to pull down the overall percentage. Auxiliary operations (room and board) are also not funded by state appropriations anywhere in Virginia public schools, and they are a significant percentage of the overall academic budget. If UVA did not get a state appropriation it would have to make that funding up through tuition and fees, which would have to be about 35% higher overall, but the biggest part of that would fall on in-state because OOS tuition is already set at near private school levels. So to say state funding is insignificant is misleading.

It's only 5.8%

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is what we foreigners have been saying for years, OP. In the rest of the world, there is a formula, or at least much more of one than here. You have the grades, you get in, is what it essentially boils down to.

Here admissions committees are allowed to be racist, discriminatory, and they openly favor children of alumni, children of billionaire donors, and children with no particular academic strength who happen to be good at sports.

It's disgusting, and yet, the brain-washed American people continue to believe it's a great "holistic" system and they beggar themselves or their children to get in, instead of voting for politicians who might make university low-cost, like in other developed countries.

In other countries the state contribution to tuition is basically one hundred percent. There is no way that tax burden would be tolerated here.

Maybe, if you paired down colleges to what their European equivalents offer (in terms of housing, food, extra curricular, sports...) and cut the number of seats across the system starting in high school though graduate school to match systems that start weeding out far younger the costs might not be that different.

Yes, this is the biggest difference for me. Students here (incl. my DC) are way more coddled by colleges here than their European counterparts. All the amenities not relevant to the actual academia, gone or greatly reduced. Including on-campus housing. This reflects in college services one has to pay for like cafeterias. Think $2.50 per meal or less.
The sorting happens usually in 5th grade and sets the track. This does not mean there isn't a way for late bloomers, but they will have to show initiative to pursue the non regular track (kids of friends have done so succssfully). Not everybody can (academically) or wants to pursue academia and that is absolutely fine, for those trade & vocational schools offer a track, without a stigma (they form the majority of the workforce).

Hard tracking in Grade 5 only happens in the german and austro-hungarian -derived countries. But fair score-based academic admissions is much more widespread than early tracking. Let's not change the debate into grade-5 exam-based tracking rather than transparent university admissions based on fair,comparabe academic criteria that are individual performance-based rather than "adjusted" for racial, and socio-economic or caste factors.

Great Britain hard tracks as well. https://www.expatica.com/uk/education/children-education/the-uk-education-system-106601/#state

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t want Dean J’s cute little videos about their holistic approach and how they want to see this and that from a student. I don’t need dean j at all. For in state admissions I want a formula. Kid took these classes, got these grades, got that SAT, then guaranteed admission to UVA or WM or Vtech or whatever other VA state school, end of story. Otherwise you are not getting my tax dollars.

This is not the way any college selects students. Why would you want that. There is no formula.

UT is required to do just that by state law. Virginia could impose the same standards on state schools if they choose to

No they can't UT is not UVA. Size matters.

Sure the Commonwealth could do the same. Just say top 2% high schoolers with X SAT/ACT get to go. Done.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t want Dean J’s cute little videos about their holistic approach and how they want to see this and that from a student. I don’t need dean j at all. For in state admissions I want a formula. Kid took these classes, got these grades, got that SAT, then guaranteed admission to UVA or WM or Vtech or whatever other VA state school, end of story. Otherwise you are not getting my tax dollars.

Sounds like what you really want is a guarantee that your kid gets into UVA. Here's a cheaper, faster, more practical solution: open your mindset to seeing success at many VA colleges. Trust that your kid is capable enough to be successful wherever he or she goes!

It's liberating when you expand the number of acceptable pathways!

+1

There is an admissions guarantee at UVA, but as PP have pointed out, a lot of people won't even consider it worthy of their kid. They list courses and grades needed for guaranteed admission.

https://admission.virginia.edu/transfer/guaranteed-transfer-admission

Yes! Secret is out!

It is great there is such an option for kids who need more time to come up to speed academically or who are in a very unfortunate financial/personal position to start a four year college. It is silly to suggest this route to academically high achieving kids.

This is false. It's a very sensible system and financially makes a lot of sense. For some reason, it's just not popular on this forum. In California, many TOP students go the community college transfer route (my cousin, included). Many from my public high school did it. https://admission.universityofcalifornia.edu/admission-requirements/transfer-requirements/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t want Dean J’s cute little videos about their holistic approach and how they want to see this and that from a student. I don’t need dean j at all. For in state admissions I want a formula. Kid took these classes, got these grades, got that SAT, then guaranteed admission to UVA or WM or Vtech or whatever other VA state school, end of story. Otherwise you are not getting my tax dollars.

Sounds like what you really want is a guarantee that your kid gets into UVA. Here's a cheaper, faster, more practical solution: open your mindset to seeing success at many VA colleges. Trust that your kid is capable enough to be successful wherever he or she goes!

It's liberating when you expand the number of acceptable pathways!

+1

There is an admissions guarantee at UVA, but as PP have pointed out, a lot of people won't even consider it worthy of their kid. They list courses and grades needed for guaranteed admission.

https://admission.virginia.edu/transfer/guaranteed-transfer-admission

Yes! Secret is out!

It is great there is such an option for kids who need more time to come up to speed academically or who are in a very unfortunate financial/personal position to start a four year college. It is silly to suggest this route to academically high achieving kids.

Fact is, if someone desperately wants in at UVA, as so many do, here’s the guarantee. Can’t fall short on the requirements, though. And community colleges cater to a much broader group of students than the categories you used in your trying-to-rationalize it post.