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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]This is what we foreigners have been saying for years, OP. In the rest of the world, there is a formula, or at least much more of one than here. You have the grades, you get in, is what it essentially boils down to.

Here admissions committees are allowed to be racist, discriminatory, and they openly favor children of alumni, children of billionaire donors, and children with no particular academic strength who happen to be good at sports.

It's disgusting, and yet, the brain-washed American people continue to believe it's a great "holistic" system and they beggar themselves or their children to get in, instead of voting for politicians who might make university low-cost, like in other developed countries.

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In other countries the state contribution to tuition is basically one hundred percent.   [b]There is no way that tax burden would be tolerated here[/b].[/quote]

Maybe, if you [b]paired down colleges to what their European equivalents offer[/b] (in terms of housing, food, extra curricular, sports...) and cut the number of seats across the system starting in high school though graduate school to match systems that start [b]weeding out far younger [/b]the costs might not be that different. [/quote]

Yes, this is the biggest difference for me.  Students here (incl. my DC) are way more coddled by colleges here than their European counterparts.  All the amenities not relevant to the actual academia, gone or greatly reduced.  Including on-campus housing.  This reflects in college services one has to pay for like cafeterias.  Think $2.50 per meal or less.
The sorting happens usually in 5th grade and sets the track.  This does not mean there isn't a way for late bloomers, but they will have to show initiative to pursue the non regular track (kids of friends have done so succssfully).  Not everybody can (academically) or wants to pursue academia and that is absolutely fine, for those trade & vocational schools offer a track, without a stigma (they form the majority of the workforce). [/quote]

Hard tracking in Grade 5 only happens in the german and austro-hungarian -derived countries.  But fair score-based academic admissions is much more widespread than early tracking.  Let's not change the debate into grade-5 exam-based tracking rather than transparent university admissions based on fair,comparabe academic criteria that are individual performance-based rather than "adjusted" for racial, and socio-economic or caste factors.
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Great Britain hard tracks as well.  https://www.expatica.com/uk/education/children-education/the-uk-education-system-106601/#state[/quote]

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