Youngkin and TJ

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/youngkin-thomas-jefferson-high-admissions/2021/11/29/168fd9c8-48b3-11ec-95dc-5f2a96e00fa3_story.html

Interesting article on the levers that Youngkin could (and could not) use to affect admissions to TJ.

One interesting thing in the article: The Washington Post apparently is unaware it is a fairytale that 25% of the class of 2025 is low income. As we all know now, this is based on free and reduced-price meals eligibility - something that is extremely gameable under the current free meals for all polcies. This is a self-reported measure and that every child can claim to be FARMS last year and this year. Prep companies are coaching parents to check yes for both of these boxes and FCPS is looking the other way since it makes them look good to be able to say 25% are FARMS.. A child that checks this box has a 40% chance of admission vs a child that does not check these boxes has a 10% chance.

Gross.

Citation desperately needed

We just did the TJ application and the way it’s worded “we’re you eligible for free meals” allowed any applicant to say yes. All kids were “eligible” for free meals this year.

We didn’t say yes though because we aren’t vile POSs.

The OP’s % chance of admissions are off though if many people do check “yes”.

Thanks for the reply!

I'm more referring to a citation that indicates that the Admissions Office will take families at their word that they are economically disadvantaged rather than doing the ten seconds of follow-up with their individual schools that is necessary in order to confirm a family's FARMS status.

It’s not clear they are doing that.

Which is why I asked for the citation. I don't buy it for a second.

Call them and ask. Or send an email. Ask if any student can say yes last year (or this year!) based on how the FARMS questions are worded.

The question is are they reporting based on the admission form about lunches vs. verifying that the applicants are economically disadvantaged. That is not clear.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The result of the so called "TJ reform": whites had the largest increase in numbers and asians are the only one with decrease in proportion. Says a lot about the purpose of the "reform". It was driven by white interest all along.

Wrong.

Eleven percent of this year’s offers will go to Hispanic students, and 7 percent will go to Black students — both representing significant increases. In the past four years, the percentage of Hispanic students receiving offers hovered between 1 and 5 percent. The percentage of Black students receiving offers hovered between 1 and 2 percent.

Meanwhile, 22 percent of this year’s offers are going to White students — a number that is largely consistent with the past four years, when White students accounted for between 17 and 22 percent of offers extended.

Fifty-four percent of offers are going to Asian students, a marked decrease. In previous years, Asian students have accounted for between 65 and 75 percent of all offers.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/thomas-jefferson-high-diversity-admissions/2021/06/23/26bb7960-d44b-11eb-ae54-515e2f63d37d_story.html


Even more drastically, economically disadvantaged students went from just 0.62% of last year’s class to more than a quarter of the incoming class.

This year, the proportion of admitted girls increased from 41.8 percent to 46 percent.

Over the past eight years, three of the 26 FCPS middle schools contributed 55 percent of the FCPS students admitted to TJ. At the same time, five of the 26 FCPS middle schools contributed less than 1 percent of FCPS students admitted to TJ combined. This year, for the first time, the top 1.5 percent of each eighth grade class within the draw districts who met the admissions qualifications was offered a spot at TJ. If a middle school had fewer than 1.5 percent students who met the qualifications, then only those eligible gained admission and the remaining seats were open to all applicants regardless of region. Now, for the first time in the past 10 years, all Fairfax County Public Schools had students accepted to TJ.

The average GPA for the TJ applicant pool was slightly higher this year than for the past five years.
https://www.virginiamercury.com/2021/06/28/thomas-jeffersons-admissions-results-show-equity-and-merit-can-go-hand-in-hand/

What were figures YOY? Not "between" years ago.. That's coy. What were numbers for the class of 2024? Also 54+22+11+7= 94%. I'd want to see numbers side by side 2024 vs 2025. Adding up to 100% too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The result of the so called "TJ reform": whites had the largest increase in numbers and asians are the only one with decrease in proportion. Says a lot about the purpose of the "reform". It was driven by white interest all along.

Wrong.

Eleven percent of this year’s offers will go to Hispanic students, and 7 percent will go to Black students — both representing significant increases. In the past four years, the percentage of Hispanic students receiving offers hovered between 1 and 5 percent. The percentage of Black students receiving offers hovered between 1 and 2 percent.

Meanwhile, 22 percent of this year’s offers are going to White students — a number that is largely consistent with the past four years, when White students accounted for between 17 and 22 percent of offers extended.

Fifty-four percent of offers are going to Asian students, a marked decrease. In previous years, Asian students have accounted for between 65 and 75 percent of all offers.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/thomas-jefferson-high-diversity-admissions/2021/06/23/26bb7960-d44b-11eb-ae54-515e2f63d37d_story.html


Even more drastically, economically disadvantaged students went from just 0.62% of last year’s class to more than a quarter of the incoming class.

This year, the proportion of admitted girls increased from 41.8 percent to 46 percent.

Over the past eight years, three of the 26 FCPS middle schools contributed 55 percent of the FCPS students admitted to TJ. At the same time, five of the 26 FCPS middle schools contributed less than 1 percent of FCPS students admitted to TJ combined. This year, for the first time, the top 1.5 percent of each eighth grade class within the draw districts who met the admissions qualifications was offered a spot at TJ. If a middle school had fewer than 1.5 percent students who met the qualifications, then only those eligible gained admission and the remaining seats were open to all applicants regardless of region. Now, for the first time in the past 10 years, all Fairfax County Public Schools had students accepted to TJ.

The average GPA for the TJ applicant pool was slightly higher this year than for the past five years.
https://www.virginiamercury.com/2021/06/28/thomas-jeffersons-admissions-results-show-equity-and-merit-can-go-hand-in-hand/

What were figures YOY? Not "between" years ago.. That's coy. What were numbers for the class of 2024? Also 54+22+11+7= 94%. I'd want to see numbers side by side 2024 vs 2025. Adding up to 100% too.

Are you math challenged? Can’t handle a spreadsheet? LOL.

[Anonymous]

I guess I can see why your kids need years of prep if you can't handle basic math. LOL.

demographic 2024 2025 %change
asian 73% 54% -26%
white 18% 22% +26%
hispanic 3% 11% +242%
black 2% 7% +245%
other 4% 5% +26%


raw #s from 2024 to 2025:
46 more hispanic
29 more black
8 more other/mixed
(83 more hispanic/black/mixed)
37 more white
56 fewer asians

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I guess I can see why your kids need years of prep if you can't handle basic math. LOL.

demographic 2024 2025 %change
asian 73% 54% -26%
white 18% 22% +26%
hispanic 3% 11% +242%
black 2% 7% +245%
other 4% 5% +26%


raw #s from 2024 to 2025:
46 more hispanic
29 more black
8 more other/mixed
(83 more hispanic/black/mixed)
37 more white
56 fewer asians

That's the whole story of TJ reform.

[Anonymous]

That is % change in % of total - if that wasn’t obvious to non-math people

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I guess I can see why your kids need years of prep if you can't handle basic math. LOL.

demographic 2024 2025 %change
asian 73% 54% -26%
white 18% 22% +26%
hispanic 3% 11% +242%
black 2% 7% +245%
other 4% 5% +26%


raw #s from 2024 to 2025:
46 more hispanic
29 more black
8 more other/mixed
(83 more hispanic/black/mixed)
37 more white
56 fewer asians

That's the whole story of TJ reform.

Ignoring that there are 83 more URMs…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I guess I can see why your kids need years of prep if you can't handle basic math. LOL.

demographic 2024 2025 %change
asian 73% 54% -26%
white 18% 22% +26%
hispanic 3% 11% +242%
black 2% 7% +245%
other 4% 5% +26%


raw #s from 2024 to 2025:
46 more hispanic
29 more black
8 more other/mixed
(83 more hispanic/black/mixed)
37 more white
56 fewer asians

That's the whole story of TJ reform.

Ignoring that there are 83 more URMs…

I won’t be surprised if a lot of white students claimed they were Hispanics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I guess I can see why your kids need years of prep if you can't handle basic math. LOL.

demographic 2024 2025 %change
asian 73% 54% -26%
white 18% 22% +26%
hispanic 3% 11% +242%
black 2% 7% +245%
other 4% 5% +26%


raw #s from 2024 to 2025:
46 more hispanic
29 more black
8 more other/mixed
(83 more hispanic/black/mixed)
37 more white
56 fewer asians

That's the whole story of TJ reform.

Ignoring that there are 83 more URMs…

I won’t be surprised if a lot of white students claimed they were Hispanics.

https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

[Anonymous]

LOL. So now the kids are all lying?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I guess I can see why your kids need years of prep if you can't handle basic math. LOL.

demographic 2024 2025 %change
asian 73% 54% -26%
white 18% 22% +26%
hispanic 3% 11% +242%
black 2% 7% +245%
other 4% 5% +26%


raw #s from 2024 to 2025:
46 more hispanic
29 more black
8 more other/mixed
(83 more hispanic/black/mixed)
37 more white
56 fewer asians

That's the whole story of TJ reform.

Ignoring that there are 83 more URMs…

Anything shy of 100% Asian is clearly racist

[Anonymous]

Some of you don't have kids at TJ and are really Effed up in the head. You CANNOT choose race in the application form, that is pre-populated by FCPS, so these "whites that claim to be Hispanic" must have done it upon enrollment in FCPS. And if they were so forward-looking as to anticipate the change in admission procedures, and so Machiavellian as to lie about their race, then I think they deserve a spot!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some of you don't have kids at TJ and are really Effed up in the head. You CANNOT choose race in the application form, that is pre-populated by FCPS, so these "whites that claim to be Hispanic" must have done it upon enrollment in FCPS. And if they were so forward-looking as to anticipate the change in admission procedures, and so Machiavellian as to lie about their race, then I think they deserve a spot!

https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I guess I can see why your kids need years of prep if you can't handle basic math. LOL.

demographic 2024 2025 %change
asian 73% 54% -26%
white 18% 22% +26%
hispanic 3% 11% +242%
black 2% 7% +245%
other 4% 5% +26%


raw #s from 2024 to 2025:
46 more hispanic
29 more black
8 more other/mixed
(83 more hispanic/black/mixed)
37 more white
56 fewer asians

That's the whole story of TJ reform.

Ignoring that there are 83 more URMs…

I won’t be surprised if a lot of white students claimed they were Hispanics.

It’s a race-blind application, dumba$$.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I guess I can see why your kids need years of prep if you can't handle basic math. LOL.

demographic 2024 2025 %change
asian 73% 54% -26%
white 18% 22% +26%
hispanic 3% 11% +242%
black 2% 7% +245%
other 4% 5% +26%


raw #s from 2024 to 2025:
46 more hispanic
29 more black
8 more other/mixed
(83 more hispanic/black/mixed)
37 more white
56 fewer asians

That's the whole story of TJ reform.

Ignoring that there are 83 more URMs…

I won’t be surprised if a lot of white students claimed they were Hispanics.

It’s a race-blind application, dumba$$.

No, it wasn't although FCPS claimed so.