Youngkin and TJ

[Anonymous]

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Opportunity hoarders want all of the good stuff for their own kids and don’t want to share with the poors.

TJ admissios were based on merits. If american kids do well what's the problem?

How do you define "merits"?

The score on an objective test seems like one way of determining academic merit.
It certainly seems like a better determinant than race.

Who created the test? How does it administered? What is it measuring? Are there ways to prep for the test?

The TJ admissions process is race-blind.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Welp, this thread is officially off the rails.

The moment you start characterizing the removal of an advantage (obsessive parents with resources) as the introduction of a disadvantage (blah blah anti-Asian racism), you've lost the plot.

That's an odd thing to say because TJ was almost 3/4th asian.
Asians are not the wealthiest group in almost any locality in america.
Like most places, whites in fairfax are wealthier than asians in fairfax. There are few places where this is not true.
The only reason asians have higher incomes at the national level is because you are comparing asians in palo alto to whites in cinncinatti.

A similar debate is going on in nyc where asians have the highest poverty rate and account for 80% of the population at their local magnet school (Stuyvesant). They are not concerned with cinome, they are concerned with race.
If you wanted to make this about wealth/income, they could have done that without running afoul of any discrimination laws but that would have resulted in a few more URM but even fewer whites and probably more asians. When you provide income preferences, whites lose and everyone else wins.

If it makes you feel better to think that this is about wealth and privilege instead of race then I can't stop you but all the evidence points to this being about race.

Question - any idea of NYC public schools designates low income? Is it, based on an objective measure?

Or is it, similar to TJ admissions, based entirely self-reporting AND worded such that anyone can honestly reply YES they are FARMS if they read the question literally?

[Anonymous]

Pre-“equity,” TJ was 80% minority.

As in: 80% POCs.

Someone obviously had a problem with that, since Fairfax pushed through what they though were needed changes.

It was not republicans who forced change on TJ.

[Anonymous]

The result of the so called "TJ reform": whites had the largest increase in numbers and asians are the only one with decrease in proportion. Says a lot about the purpose of the "reform". It was driven by white interest all along.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The result of the so called "TJ reform": whites had the largest increase in numbers and asians are the only one with decrease in proportion. Says a lot about the purpose of the "reform". It was driven by white interest all along.

Wrong.

Eleven percent of this year’s offers will go to Hispanic students, and 7 percent will go to Black students — both representing significant increases. In the past four years, the percentage of Hispanic students receiving offers hovered between 1 and 5 percent. The percentage of Black students receiving offers hovered between 1 and 2 percent.

Meanwhile, 22 percent of this year’s offers are going to White students — a number that is largely consistent with the past four years, when White students accounted for between 17 and 22 percent of offers extended.

Fifty-four percent of offers are going to Asian students, a marked decrease. In previous years, Asian students have accounted for between 65 and 75 percent of all offers.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/thomas-jefferson-high-diversity-admissions/2021/06/23/26bb7960-d44b-11eb-ae54-515e2f63d37d_story.html


Even more drastically, economically disadvantaged students went from just 0.62% of last year’s class to more than a quarter of the incoming class.

This year, the proportion of admitted girls increased from 41.8 percent to 46 percent.

Over the past eight years, three of the 26 FCPS middle schools contributed 55 percent of the FCPS students admitted to TJ. At the same time, five of the 26 FCPS middle schools contributed less than 1 percent of FCPS students admitted to TJ combined. This year, for the first time, the top 1.5 percent of each eighth grade class within the draw districts who met the admissions qualifications was offered a spot at TJ. If a middle school had fewer than 1.5 percent students who met the qualifications, then only those eligible gained admission and the remaining seats were open to all applicants regardless of region. Now, for the first time in the past 10 years, all Fairfax County Public Schools had students accepted to TJ.

The average GPA for the TJ applicant pool was slightly higher this year than for the past five years.
https://www.virginiamercury.com/2021/06/28/thomas-jeffersons-admissions-results-show-equity-and-merit-can-go-hand-in-hand/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The result of the so called "TJ reform": whites had the largest increase in numbers and asians are the only one with decrease in proportion. Says a lot about the purpose of the "reform". It was driven by white interest all along.

Wrong.

Eleven percent of this year’s offers will go to Hispanic students, and 7 percent will go to Black students — both representing significant increases. In the past four years, the percentage of Hispanic students receiving offers hovered between 1 and 5 percent. The percentage of Black students receiving offers hovered between 1 and 2 percent.

Meanwhile, 22 percent of this year’s offers are going to White students — a number that is largely consistent with the past four years, when White students accounted for between 17 and 22 percent of offers extended.

Fifty-four percent of offers are going to Asian students, a marked decrease. In previous years, Asian students have accounted for between 65 and 75 percent of all offers.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/thomas-jefferson-high-diversity-admissions/2021/06/23/26bb7960-d44b-11eb-ae54-515e2f63d37d_story.html


Even more drastically, economically disadvantaged students went from just 0.62% of last year’s class to more than a quarter of the incoming class.

This year, the proportion of admitted girls increased from 41.8 percent to 46 percent.

Over the past eight years, three of the 26 FCPS middle schools contributed 55 percent of the FCPS students admitted to TJ. At the same time, five of the 26 FCPS middle schools contributed less than 1 percent of FCPS students admitted to TJ combined. This year, for the first time, the top 1.5 percent of each eighth grade class within the draw districts who met the admissions qualifications was offered a spot at TJ. If a middle school had fewer than 1.5 percent students who met the qualifications, then only those eligible gained admission and the remaining seats were open to all applicants regardless of region. Now, for the first time in the past 10 years, all Fairfax County Public Schools had students accepted to TJ.

The average GPA for the TJ applicant pool was slightly higher this year than for the past five years.
https://www.virginiamercury.com/2021/06/28/thomas-jeffersons-admissions-results-show-equity-and-merit-can-go-hand-in-hand/

So asians were the only ones with a decrease. Whites got an increase (17 to 22% is an increase of about 30%). Other poc got an increase too.

I predict Virginia will go red from now on. NOVA has the highest asian population. Doing this will basically trigger asians to vote red. Way to go Democrats for getting the Asian vote!

[Anonymous]

When you punish the model minority to get equity, you basically make a blue state red.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The result of the so called "TJ reform": whites had the largest increase in numbers and asians are the only one with decrease in proportion. Says a lot about the purpose of the "reform". It was driven by white interest all along.

Wrong.

Eleven percent of this year’s offers will go to Hispanic students, and 7 percent will go to Black students — both representing significant increases. In the past four years, the percentage of Hispanic students receiving offers hovered between 1 and 5 percent. The percentage of Black students receiving offers hovered between 1 and 2 percent.

Meanwhile, 22 percent of this year’s offers are going to White students — a number that is largely consistent with the past four years, when White students accounted for between 17 and 22 percent of offers extended.

Fifty-four percent of offers are going to Asian students, a marked decrease. In previous years, Asian students have accounted for between 65 and 75 percent of all offers.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/thomas-jefferson-high-diversity-admissions/2021/06/23/26bb7960-d44b-11eb-ae54-515e2f63d37d_story.html


Even more drastically, economically disadvantaged students went from just 0.62% of last year’s class to more than a quarter of the incoming class.

This year, the proportion of admitted girls increased from 41.8 percent to 46 percent.

Over the past eight years, three of the 26 FCPS middle schools contributed 55 percent of the FCPS students admitted to TJ. At the same time, five of the 26 FCPS middle schools contributed less than 1 percent of FCPS students admitted to TJ combined. This year, for the first time, the top 1.5 percent of each eighth grade class within the draw districts who met the admissions qualifications was offered a spot at TJ. If a middle school had fewer than 1.5 percent students who met the qualifications, then only those eligible gained admission and the remaining seats were open to all applicants regardless of region. Now, for the first time in the past 10 years, all Fairfax County Public Schools had students accepted to TJ.

The average GPA for the TJ applicant pool was slightly higher this year than for the past five years.
https://www.virginiamercury.com/2021/06/28/thomas-jeffersons-admissions-results-show-equity-and-merit-can-go-hand-in-hand/

Stop the spin with your BS logic. Show me the numbers (not the percentages) of white students admitted between classes of 2025 and 2024.
And we all know that GPA doesn't mean shiit for TJ or top college application. So stop fooling people with irrelevant factors.

[Anonymous]

The fact is loud and clear that white liberals used "TJ reform" to promote the white interest by discriminating Asians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When you punish the model minority to get equity, you basically make a blue state red.

You were fooled. They (blacks and hispanics) didn't get equity. The biggest chunk of benefits went to white students. Why am I not surprised white liberals are white supremacists!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The result of the so called "TJ reform": whites had the largest increase in numbers and asians are the only one with decrease in proportion. Says a lot about the purpose of the "reform". It was driven by white interest all along.

Wrong.

Eleven percent of this year’s offers will go to Hispanic students, and 7 percent will go to Black students — both representing significant increases. In the past four years, the percentage of Hispanic students receiving offers hovered between 1 and 5 percent. The percentage of Black students receiving offers hovered between 1 and 2 percent.

Meanwhile, 22 percent of this year’s offers are going to White students — a number that is largely consistent with the past four years, when White students accounted for between 17 and 22 percent of offers extended.

Fifty-four percent of offers are going to Asian students, a marked decrease. In previous years, Asian students have accounted for between 65 and 75 percent of all offers.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/thomas-jefferson-high-diversity-admissions/2021/06/23/26bb7960-d44b-11eb-ae54-515e2f63d37d_story.html


Even more drastically, economically disadvantaged students went from just 0.62% of last year’s class to more than a quarter of the incoming class.

This year, the proportion of admitted girls increased from 41.8 percent to 46 percent.

Over the past eight years, three of the 26 FCPS middle schools contributed 55 percent of the FCPS students admitted to TJ. At the same time, five of the 26 FCPS middle schools contributed less than 1 percent of FCPS students admitted to TJ combined. This year, for the first time, the top 1.5 percent of each eighth grade class within the draw districts who met the admissions qualifications was offered a spot at TJ. If a middle school had fewer than 1.5 percent students who met the qualifications, then only those eligible gained admission and the remaining seats were open to all applicants regardless of region. Now, for the first time in the past 10 years, all Fairfax County Public Schools had students accepted to TJ.

The average GPA for the TJ applicant pool was slightly higher this year than for the past five years.
https://www.virginiamercury.com/2021/06/28/thomas-jeffersons-admissions-results-show-equity-and-merit-can-go-hand-in-hand/

We’ve established the bolder is a fabrication. The class of 2025 is nowhere near 25% low income and is probably closer to the historical numbers.

Possible the TJ admissions office also inflated the percentage of minority?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When you punish the model minority to get equity, you basically make a blue state red.

You were fooled. They (blacks and hispanics) didn't get equity. The biggest chunk of benefits went to white students. Why am I not surprised white liberals are white supremacists!

I don’t know if we can really trust anything FCPS is telling us. They lied about the number of low income students, what else might they be keeping from the public?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/youngkin-thomas-jefferson-high-admissions/2021/11/29/168fd9c8-48b3-11ec-95dc-5f2a96e00fa3_story.html

Interesting article on the levers that Youngkin could (and could not) use to affect admissions to TJ.

One interesting thing in the article: The Washington Post apparently is unaware it is a fairytale that 25% of the class of 2025 is low income. As we all know now, this is based on free and reduced-price meals eligibility - something that is extremely gameable under the current free meals for all polcies. This is a self-reported measure and that every child can claim to be FARMS last year and this year. Prep companies are coaching parents to check yes for both of these boxes and FCPS is looking the other way since it makes them look good to be able to say 25% are FARMS.. A child that checks this box has a 40% chance of admission vs a child that does not check these boxes has a 10% chance.

Gross.

Citation desperately needed

We just did the TJ application and the way it’s worded “we’re you eligible for free meals” allowed any applicant to say yes. All kids were “eligible” for free meals this year.

We didn’t say yes though because we aren’t vile POSs.

The OP’s % chance of admissions are off though if many people do check “yes”.

Thanks for the reply!

I'm more referring to a citation that indicates that the Admissions Office will take families at their word that they are economically disadvantaged rather than doing the ten seconds of follow-up with their individual schools that is necessary in order to confirm a family's FARMS status.

This isn’t anywhere on the admissions website. But if you call or email the admissions office, they will confirm this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/youngkin-thomas-jefferson-high-admissions/2021/11/29/168fd9c8-48b3-11ec-95dc-5f2a96e00fa3_story.html

Interesting article on the levers that Youngkin could (and could not) use to affect admissions to TJ.

One interesting thing in the article: The Washington Post apparently is unaware it is a fairytale that 25% of the class of 2025 is low income. As we all know now, this is based on free and reduced-price meals eligibility - something that is extremely gameable under the current free meals for all polcies. This is a self-reported measure and that every child can claim to be FARMS last year and this year. Prep companies are coaching parents to check yes for both of these boxes and FCPS is looking the other way since it makes them look good to be able to say 25% are FARMS.. A child that checks this box has a 40% chance of admission vs a child that does not check these boxes has a 10% chance.

Gross.

Citation desperately needed

We just did the TJ application and the way it’s worded “we’re you eligible for free meals” allowed any applicant to say yes. All kids were “eligible” for free meals this year.

We didn’t say yes though because we aren’t vile POSs.

The OP’s % chance of admissions are off though if many people do check “yes”.

Thanks for the reply!

I'm more referring to a citation that indicates that the Admissions Office will take families at their word that they are economically disadvantaged rather than doing the ten seconds of follow-up with their individual schools that is necessary in order to confirm a family's FARMS status.

It’s not clear they are doing that.

Which is why I asked for the citation. I don't buy it for a second.

Call them and ask. Or send an email. Ask if any student can say yes last year (or this year!) based on how the FARMS questions are worded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The result of the so called "TJ reform": whites had the largest increase in numbers and asians are the only one with decrease in proportion. Says a lot about the purpose of the "reform". It was driven by white interest all along.

Wrong.

Eleven percent of this year’s offers will go to Hispanic students, and 7 percent will go to Black students — both representing significant increases. In the past four years, the percentage of Hispanic students receiving offers hovered between 1 and 5 percent. The percentage of Black students receiving offers hovered between 1 and 2 percent.

Meanwhile, 22 percent of this year’s offers are going to White students — a number that is largely consistent with the past four years, when White students accounted for between 17 and 22 percent of offers extended.

Fifty-four percent of offers are going to Asian students, a marked decrease. In previous years, Asian students have accounted for between 65 and 75 percent of all offers.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/thomas-jefferson-high-diversity-admissions/2021/06/23/26bb7960-d44b-11eb-ae54-515e2f63d37d_story.html


Even more drastically, economically disadvantaged students went from just 0.62% of last year’s class to more than a quarter of the incoming class.

This year, the proportion of admitted girls increased from 41.8 percent to 46 percent.

Over the past eight years, three of the 26 FCPS middle schools contributed 55 percent of the FCPS students admitted to TJ. At the same time, five of the 26 FCPS middle schools contributed less than 1 percent of FCPS students admitted to TJ combined. This year, for the first time, the top 1.5 percent of each eighth grade class within the draw districts who met the admissions qualifications was offered a spot at TJ. If a middle school had fewer than 1.5 percent students who met the qualifications, then only those eligible gained admission and the remaining seats were open to all applicants regardless of region. Now, for the first time in the past 10 years, all Fairfax County Public Schools had students accepted to TJ.

The average GPA for the TJ applicant pool was slightly higher this year than for the past five years.
https://www.virginiamercury.com/2021/06/28/thomas-jeffersons-admissions-results-show-equity-and-merit-can-go-hand-in-hand/

Stop the spin with your BS logic. Show me the numbers (not the percentages) of white students admitted between classes of 2025 and 2024.
And we all know that GPA doesn't mean shiit for TJ or top college application. So stop fooling people with irrelevant factors.

from 2024 to 2025:
46 more hispanic
29 more black
8 more other/mixed
(83 more hispanic/black/mixed)
37 more white
56 fewer asians

And looking at economic factors (TBD if they did verify SES):
135 more economically disadvantaged kids
71 fewer non-economically disadvantaged
36 fewer private school

2025: https://www.fcps.edu/news/tjhsst-offers-admission-550-students-broadens-access-students-who-have-aptitude-stem
2024: https://www.fcps.edu/news/tjhsst-offers-admission-486-students