Opinions on this dress

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seven pages in and I still like it. I think it’s still my favorite of all options, and I think I like think more than the velvet versions. It’s a dress for someone who wants to be looked at, and the pink would make me smile the second I saw it. I think you should do it, OP. Those photos would be charming. This is a good year for a “wow, fun!” dress.

Me too. It's so fun, and glamorous in the best way, almost retro. I think it would look truly lovely on an icy or buttery blonde, especially one with her proportions. The velvet is cool too, but it's not a showstopper like the pink.

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Anonymous wrote:The dress is great if you can pull off some Alessandro Michele for Gucci type vibe.

Do wear it if you like it for being fashionable. Don't choose it if you like it because it's cute and girly.

Of course DCUM hates it. Ladies here don't go for fun in fashion, nor for quirky.

DC definitely isn't a fashion-forward town, to put it mildly. That said, some self-proclaimed fashionable people are hypercritical of those who aren't, or at least don't understand that some of us are more interested in our own personal style, i.e., wearing clothes that flatter and feel true to us, than chasing trends. I mean, where what you want, but stop getting pissy because people don't appreciate how fashionable you are. That doesn't mean you're not fashionable, it just means that others have different priorities.

PP here. I gave no personal opinion, positive or negative, for the type of fashion DCUM does go for. You don't go for fun, quirky looks? Fine. But don't then get offended when someone states that you don't go for fun, quirky looks. Particularly is that statement is completely neutral in tone.

I should have been more clear; the "you" in the bolded wasn't directed at the "you" who made that comment, more at the collective fashionista "you" on this board that loves to scream "FRUMP" at women who don't prioritize fashion.

I wasn't offended, just observing that it's kind of a tiresome dynamic.

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DP. I'm not fashion forward but I'm happy to read discussions of fashion. I find it tiresome that every thread in the fashion forum fills up with posts from people patting themselves on the back for being unfashionable and offended by the concept of trend, with very little attention to the question at hand. This thread is a perfect example, the first six pages are mostly people piling on to insult OP's choice as juvenile and gross because...bows. It's not until the dress is presented in context, that posters notice it's a simple inoffensive party dress. (I'd go still further, I think the pink crepe may be just as innocuous, just can't find pictures of it in the wild.) Meanwhile, the less trendy alternatives posted really seem quite narrow in concept of how a woman should present herself. So does "I don't notice trends" really mean "I think for myself"? I'll say "no", and that's really why folks get labeled frumpy.

So everyone who doesn't think for themselves is frumpy? That makes no logical sense.

The pink dress on its own is very different than the black velvet with green bows *in a Christmas context*. It's not the bows alone that I was reacting to, it was the color (and I love pink! but not this shade), the fabric, the cut.

Also, you're grossly overstating "unfashionable" PPs' level of offense.

Who's overstating? She finds it tiresome that people are who don't prioritize fashion are called frumps. I find it tiresome that people who don't prioritize fashion are always on the fashion forum making this declaration.

As to the logic, re-read. Your summary is clumsy. I simply posit that people who declare "I don't follow trends" nonetheless often don't really think for themselves, and further such people are often frumpy, which they find tiresome to be told, yadda yadda. I think not being frumpy takes more deliberation, and usually a cognizance of trends (whether ultimately adopted or not).

[Anonymous]

You can’t be serious

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Thank you all for the honest feedback (DCUM is a great place for brutal honesty). For family pictures, would this one be a better bet? https://www.sezane.com/us/product/tal-dress/vintage-blue#size-2

I don't trust my fashion sense at all at this point.

But you should! You have a great taste; both dresses are so chic and you seem to have a nice, easy to dress figure.

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I like it but not for Christmas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Did you want fancy? What about this:
https://www.neimanmarcus.com/p/shani-colorblock-elbow-sleeve-hanky-hem-lace-dress-w-floral-applique-prod225850435?childItemId=NMTZSAP_&navpath=cat000000_cat71210789_cat71220731_cat78380746_cat71220735&page=0&position=0
Or this:
https://www.neimanmarcus.com/p/shani-georgette-surplice-dress-w-floral-applique-prod246180017?childItemId=NMT2HK5_&navpath=cat000000_cat71210789_cat71220731_cat78380746_cat71220735&page=0&position=40
This is pretty but on the boring side:
https://www.neimanmarcus.com/p/black-halo-baker-sweetheart-a-line-dress-prod245660162?childItemId=NMT2E6U_&navpath=cat000000_cat71210789_cat71220731_cat78380746_cat71220735&page=1&position=12
Can’t decide if I like this one—I’m sorta sick of hell sleeves:
https://www.neimanmarcus.com/p/shani-surplice-neckline-bell-sleeve-lace-dress-prod230090437?childItemId=NMT0NG7_&navpath=cat000000_cat71210789_cat71220731_cat78380746_cat71220735&page=2&position=22
If you liked the pink in your first pick maybe this:
https://www.neimanmarcus.com/p/shani-boat-neck-cap-sleeve-laser-cutting-dress-prod226580293?childItemId=NMT01H5_0E&navpath=cat000000_cat71210789_cat71220731_cat78380746_cat71220735&page=2&position=30
Or this is a little more casual:
https://www.neimanmarcus.com/p/milly-stella-bicolor-satin-tie-dress-prod245040530?childItemId=NMT2941_&navpath=cat000000_cat71210789_cat71220731_cat78380746_cat71220735&page=0&position=11

All of these are sad looking on the models. Don't do this OP

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Anonymous wrote:The dress is great if you can pull off some Alessandro Michele for Gucci type vibe.

Do wear it if you like it for being fashionable. Don't choose it if you like it because it's cute and girly.

Of course DCUM hates it. Ladies here don't go for fun in fashion, nor for quirky.

DC definitely isn't a fashion-forward town, to put it mildly. That said, some self-proclaimed fashionable people are hypercritical of those who aren't, or at least don't understand that some of us are more interested in our own personal style, i.e., wearing clothes that flatter and feel true to us, than chasing trends. I mean, where what you want, but stop getting pissy because people don't appreciate how fashionable you are. That doesn't mean you're not fashionable, it just means that others have different priorities.

PP here. I gave no personal opinion, positive or negative, for the type of fashion DCUM does go for. You don't go for fun, quirky looks? Fine. But don't then get offended when someone states that you don't go for fun, quirky looks. Particularly is that statement is completely neutral in tone.

I should have been more clear; the "you" in the bolded wasn't directed at the "you" who made that comment, more at the collective fashionista "you" on this board that loves to scream "FRUMP" at women who don't prioritize fashion.

I wasn't offended, just observing that it's kind of a tiresome dynamic.

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DP. I'm not fashion forward but I'm happy to read discussions of fashion. I find it tiresome that every thread in the fashion forum fills up with posts from people patting themselves on the back for being unfashionable and offended by the concept of trend, with very little attention to the question at hand. This thread is a perfect example, the first six pages are mostly people piling on to insult OP's choice as juvenile and gross because...bows. It's not until the dress is presented in context, that posters notice it's a simple inoffensive party dress. (I'd go still further, I think the pink crepe may be just as innocuous, just can't find pictures of it in the wild.) Meanwhile, the less trendy alternatives posted really seem quite narrow in concept of how a woman should present herself. So does "I don't notice trends" really mean "I think for myself"? I'll say "no", and that's really why folks get labeled frumpy.

Exactly. Also, people may not choose to prioritize fashion, and that's their choice. But if they want to come in and berate people ABOUT fashion, you would think they would be somewhat familiar in the subject. For example, I dont wander into the home improvement section because I know nothing about screws, drills, wainscotting, etc. I would feel hopelessly lost in the aisles of a Lowe's or Home Depot, and I can recognize that and accordingly don't dole out advice as if I'm an expert.

But, women who are utterly unskilled and unknowledgeable in the realm of fashion or glamour come into this space and regularly give their (bad) advice about fashion. These same women would be hopelessly out of place in the aisles of Chanel of Louis Vuitton, and yet, every day they post their opinions as if theyre experts. It would be the equivalent of me going into the Home Improvement forum and constantly screaming at the people there that theyre doing it wrong and they need to redo the foundation in another way or they are drilling wrong, etc. It's stupid. And when someone engages in it, they are going to be called out.

And yes, the fact that DC is known as a very frumpy, unfashionable place does factor into everything.

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[Anonymous]

That’s an interesting take and probably true but I thought that OP was looking for the viewpoint of the women that would likely be attending the parties with her and/or receiving her card. I sort of assume that anyone looking to impress the people that would be at home in the “aisles of Chanel “ do they really have aisles?) wouldn’t post here. I assume that the target audience is UMC DC types …. So our supposedly frumpy views are what is being sought, no? Otherwise I would assume there is a better forum in which to post?

Anyway, OP — I think you have your answer. Some people love it, some people hate it, some people like it okay but think they couldn’t pull it off but you can. No one was able to suggest something universally loved. You can please everyone so please yourself! (Or alternatively, just pick the one your husband likes because there’s nothing more irritating that the guy you’re with saying stuff about your dress like “I don’t get it….”—I learned that lesson with a one-shoulder number years ago.).

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Anonymous wrote:That’s an interesting take and probably true but I thought that OP was looking for the viewpoint of the women that would likely be attending the parties with her and/or receiving her card. I sort of assume that anyone looking to impress the people that would be at home in the “aisles of Chanel “ do they really have aisles?) wouldn’t post here. I assume that the target audience is UMC DC types …. So our supposedly frumpy views are what is being sought, no? Otherwise I would assume there is a better forum in which to post?

Anyway, OP — I think you have your answer. Some people love it, some people hate it, some people like it okay but think they couldn’t pull it off but you can. No one was able to suggest something universally loved. You can please everyone so please yourself! (Or alternatively, just pick the one your husband likes because there’s nothing more irritating that the guy you’re with saying stuff about your dress like “I don’t get it….”—I learned that lesson with a one-shoulder number years ago.).

There are glamorous circles within DC, and they would feel at home in Chanel and admire such a gorgeous dress. The UMC DCUM person is not in the sophisticated circle they think they are. At the better clubs and parties in DC, ones 99% of DCUM are not invited to, she will feel right at home. Not with the frump/nerd/Costco crowd!

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Anonymous wrote:The dress is great if you can pull off some Alessandro Michele for Gucci type vibe.

Do wear it if you like it for being fashionable. Don't choose it if you like it because it's cute and girly.

Of course DCUM hates it. Ladies here don't go for fun in fashion, nor for quirky.

DC definitely isn't a fashion-forward town, to put it mildly. That said, some self-proclaimed fashionable people are hypercritical of those who aren't, or at least don't understand that some of us are more interested in our own personal style, i.e., wearing clothes that flatter and feel true to us, than chasing trends. I mean, where what you want, but stop getting pissy because people don't appreciate how fashionable you are. That doesn't mean you're not fashionable, it just means that others have different priorities.

PP here. I gave no personal opinion, positive or negative, for the type of fashion DCUM does go for. You don't go for fun, quirky looks? Fine. But don't then get offended when someone states that you don't go for fun, quirky looks. Particularly is that statement is completely neutral in tone.

I should have been more clear; the "you" in the bolded wasn't directed at the "you" who made that comment, more at the collective fashionista "you" on this board that loves to scream "FRUMP" at women who don't prioritize fashion.

I wasn't offended, just observing that it's kind of a tiresome dynamic.

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DP. I'm not fashion forward but I'm happy to read discussions of fashion. I find it tiresome that every thread in the fashion forum fills up with posts from people patting themselves on the back for being unfashionable and offended by the concept of trend, with very little attention to the question at hand. This thread is a perfect example, the first six pages are mostly people piling on to insult OP's choice as juvenile and gross because...bows. It's not until the dress is presented in context, that posters notice it's a simple inoffensive party dress. (I'd go still further, I think the pink crepe may be just as innocuous, just can't find pictures of it in the wild.) Meanwhile, the less trendy alternatives posted really seem quite narrow in concept of how a woman should present herself. So does "I don't notice trends" really mean "I think for myself"? I'll say "no", and that's really why folks get labeled frumpy.

So everyone who doesn't think for themselves is frumpy? That makes no logical sense.

The pink dress on its own is very different than the black velvet with green bows *in a Christmas context*. It's not the bows alone that I was reacting to, it was the color (and I love pink! but not this shade), the fabric, the cut.

Also, you're grossly overstating "unfashionable" PPs' level of offense.

Who's overstating? She finds it tiresome that people are who don't prioritize fashion are called frumps. I find it tiresome that people who don't prioritize fashion are always on the fashion forum making this declaration.

As to the logic, re-read. Your summary is clumsy. I simply posit that people who declare "I don't follow trends" nonetheless often don't really think for themselves, and further such people are often frumpy, which they find tiresome to be told, yadda yadda. I think not being frumpy takes more deliberation, and usually a cognizance of trends (whether ultimately adopted or not).

The bolded is one of the most laughable attempts at a "logical" argument I've ever seen. Try again.

But I agree with a DP in that this forum is targeted towards the Washington, DC area, which, as I said earlier, is not known for being fashion-forward. I think a better question is why people who *are* into fashion keep expecting this forum to be more knowledgeable about fashion than any reasonable person would expect it to be. It's one thing to ask if a given outfit would fly in conservative DC, quite another to expect that people who admittedly aren't into high fashion would have helpful things to say about it. To modify the Home Depot analogy, if I need expert advice on high end cabinets (or whatever), I'll go to a specialty store, not the Home Despot. So why keep coming here? Reddit must have at least one terrific fashion forum.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Did you want fancy? What about this:
https://www.neimanmarcus.com/p/shani-colorblock-elbow-sleeve-hanky-hem-lace-dress-w-floral-applique-prod225850435?childItemId=NMTZSAP_&navpath=cat000000_cat71210789_cat71220731_cat78380746_cat71220735&page=0&position=0
Or this:
https://www.neimanmarcus.com/p/shani-georgette-surplice-dress-w-floral-applique-prod246180017?childItemId=NMT2HK5_&navpath=cat000000_cat71210789_cat71220731_cat78380746_cat71220735&page=0&position=40
This is pretty but on the boring side:
https://www.neimanmarcus.com/p/black-halo-baker-sweetheart-a-line-dress-prod245660162?childItemId=NMT2E6U_&navpath=cat000000_cat71210789_cat71220731_cat78380746_cat71220735&page=1&position=12
Can’t decide if I like this one—I’m sorta sick of hell sleeves:
https://www.neimanmarcus.com/p/shani-surplice-neckline-bell-sleeve-lace-dress-prod230090437?childItemId=NMT0NG7_&navpath=cat000000_cat71210789_cat71220731_cat78380746_cat71220735&page=2&position=22
If you liked the pink in your first pick maybe this:
https://www.neimanmarcus.com/p/shani-boat-neck-cap-sleeve-laser-cutting-dress-prod226580293?childItemId=NMT01H5_0E&navpath=cat000000_cat71210789_cat71220731_cat78380746_cat71220735&page=2&position=30
Or this is a little more casual:
https://www.neimanmarcus.com/p/milly-stella-bicolor-satin-tie-dress-prod245040530?childItemId=NMT2941_&navpath=cat000000_cat71210789_cat71220731_cat78380746_cat71220735&page=0&position=11

All of these are sad looking on the models. Don't do this OP

This. All these dresses are safe, boring, never going to remember dresses. OP’s dress is so cute. I’d absolutely wear it if I had a small chest and the correct coloring. Get it and have fun!

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. Thank you all for the honest feedback (DCUM is a great place for brutal honesty). For family pictures, would this one be a better bet? https://www.sezane.com/us/product/tal-dress/vintage-blue#size-2

I don't trust my fashion sense at all at this point.

I prefer the 3 bows dress to this because the 3 bows dress is just special. This pleated one looks like the same old boho look that has been so popular for so long (and that I personally don’t like at all).

[Anonymous]

Other than the price tag (which I think is obscene for a dress of this fabric and construction), it's a cute dress for parties. But I'm not sure it works for family photos. Ask yourself if you're going to look laughably dated when you look at the pictures in 25 years. The other dress is more timeless.

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Anonymous wrote:Other than the price tag (which I think is obscene for a dress of this fabric and construction), it's a cute dress for parties. But I'm not sure it works for family photos. Ask yourself if you're going to look laughably dated when you look at the pictures in 25 years. The other dress is more timeless.

I think this is good advice. The dress is sort of trend right now but will likely not age well.

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Anonymous wrote:Other than the price tag (which I think is obscene for a dress of this fabric and construction), it's a cute dress for parties. But I'm not sure it works for family photos. Ask yourself if you're going to look laughably dated when you look at the pictures in 25 years. The other dress is more timeless.

I think this is good advice. The dress is sort of trend right now but will likely not age well.

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I'm an old lady. My college graduation pictures (without cap and gown) were a very very short peach dress (mini skirt--barely covered rear.. Right now, it probably looks okay in pics--a few years ago when I saw the pic, it looked ridiculous.

Recommendation: go more classic for pictures. Going somewhere special? Dress is fine. Price a little high for something so trendy. Skirt length means it won't be around in a couple of years.