BRYC Girls TD Larry Best leaving for Washington Spirit

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:VDA doesn’t need to save face. Stuff happens and they’re a good new program with great players and coaches. I was there and I heard VDA coach laughingly tell somebody he was retiring after dropping that one. I bet Spirit coach was happy to get a win against a good team. I think parents get way more consumed by this than the staff and players. The perpetual attacking of WSVA makes them think everyone is out to get them when they’re just another club trying to carve out a place in NOVA soccer.

WSVA gets "attacked" because they come on here and say things like they have the top talent or the best development in the area. Those things are simply not true at this point. Maybe it will happen, maybe it won't. But it is not anywhere close to true at the moment. Results from one game are meaningless as well. It is funny how results are indicative of something when WSVA gets the positive results but meaningless (its all about development) when WSVA sits at the bottom of the standing in every single age group except one.

That is one of my biggest gripes. They spout whatever narrative fits the moment and don't mind changing it when it doesn't.

[Anonymous]

Stop treating truth like grains in your panties. It’s really unbecoming. Go back to your own club’s thread if you don’t like what you see here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:VDA doesn’t need to save face. Stuff happens and they’re a good new program with great players and coaches. I was there and I heard VDA coach laughingly tell somebody he was retiring after dropping that one. I bet Spirit coach was happy to get a win against a good team. I think parents get way more consumed by this than the staff and players. The perpetual attacking of WSVA makes them think everyone is out to get them when they’re just another club trying to carve out a place in NOVA soccer.

WSVA gets "attacked" because they come on here and say things like they have the top talent or the best development in the area. Those things are simply not true at this point. Maybe it will happen, maybe it won't. But it is not anywhere close to true at the moment. Results from one game are meaningless as well. It is funny how results are indicative of something when WSVA gets the positive results but meaningless (its all about development) when WSVA sits at the bottom of the standing in every single age group except one.

NP here. Previously a lurker, but this one made me want to step into the fray. Hopefully only once. I've followed this thread since the beginning as in full disclosure, my daughter does play at WS. She is a good player. She had offers at other clubs mentioned on this thread. We chose Spirit because of logistics, and we actually kind of liked the idea of a new club that didn't have a political history with its players. And they did make a case for development. Some has been as we had hoped, some less so. It's organizational and growing pains and we know now and knew when we started that there would be issues with a new club, the talent would be mixed, etc.

I don't think anywhere in this thread that people have said that WS has the "top talent" though. It doesn't. We are there and we know it doesn't. Not across the board anyway. There are some very good players though and if I"m trying to be unbiased, I think this forum goes a little crazy with the extremes. Saying WS has some good players doesn't mean saying they have the best players among all area clubs in every position. It also doesn't mean there aren't some players that might be better off in less competitive environments. Saying they have good keepers who could start sometimes at other clubs doesn't mean the other clubs don't also have great keepers. And saying they are about development when they lose doesn't mean it's still not about development when they win. It doesn't need to be so black and white. Having read the past 60+ pages, I'd love for it to stop being so personal, but I know that's likely too much to ask. But seriously, let the girls play -- if they are at Spirit and happy, good for them. If they are unhappy and talented, you'll see them (or already have been seeing them) at your club's ID sessions and they'll prove their value. Or they won't. If they are unhappy and not talented, they'll figure it out.

Also, drawing any conclusions about showcase game results in the preseason in the cold when no teams have really had many outdoor practices, etc. is silly. Whether your club was amazing or terrible. But on the flip side, it's not delusional to acknowledge throughout the season that there are a few powerhouse area teams in each age group (like BRYC's 16s) but that the rest of the teams could potentially play each other pretty evenly ON ANY GIVEN DAY depending on injuries, positions, who is on the field, what the coach's objective for the game is (e.g., my team is one of the best around and I'm going to play my striker at CB to teach her and accept the consequences). Good job to the teams that played tight games this past weekend. Pretty or not. Possession or not. No excuses needed for losing, no accolades needed for winning. It doesn't mean anything. That IS development -- getting out there and doing what you need to do to keep your team in the game regardless of the opponent or the talent or the PK shooting or any of the rest of it.

A WSVA parent posted that they had the two best 04 goalkeepers in the area. A WSVA parent also posted that WSVA has caught the ECNL clubs and Arlington DA and is in the conversation with FCV becasue results do not matter, except when they do. These statements are ridiculous on their face. And the people that posted them should not be surprised when they get a response. There are fine players at WSVA, but not enough. Why? It is not a secret what is happening at WSVA with the parental influence and over-rostering for money. Fix those two things and things will get much better.

+1. If they fixed those two things, both better development and more wins would come naturally, without so much grasping at straws.

[Anonymous]

Complete fantasy opinion posted above. The rostering at WSVA is similar to other DAs. Readers can review game reports on the US Soccer DA site to compare. Obsessed poster is irrationally upset with a particular playup, which in their mind equates to “parental influence” even though such influence is not evident to others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Complete fantasy opinion posted above. The rostering at WSVA is similar to other DAs. Readers can review game reports on the US Soccer DA site to compare. Obsessed poster is irrationally upset with a particular playup, which in their mind equates to “parental influence” even though such influence is not evident to others.

I heard there were play ups on every single team. Is that not true?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Complete fantasy opinion posted above. The rostering at WSVA is similar to other DAs. Readers can review game reports on the US Soccer DA site to compare. Obsessed poster is irrationally upset with a particular playup, which in their mind equates to “parental influence” even though such influence is not evident to others.

Keep spinning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Complete fantasy opinion posted above. The rostering at WSVA is similar to other DAs. Readers can review game reports on the US Soccer DA site to compare. Obsessed poster is irrationally upset with a particular playup, which in their mind equates to “parental influence” even though such influence is not evident to others.

NP. -

What few people understand is that WS has been given an exemption on roster sizes due to being a startup. Per DA rules, a U15 team can only have 20 full time players (18 can dress per game). However, the U15 team has 23 full time players (Check their team page). Most coaches will tell you that 20 full time is too many and counter productive to development...especially when the DA level of talent ended at about players 7-11 on the roster. Additionally, EDP players sometime play on the DA team. I assure you, this is not happening at any other DA in the country.

Losing does not attract talent. Larry may be able to revamp the Academy at the younger ages (05 and below) but the 04's and above will be a significant hurdle because the 04 and above kids (9th grade and above) are in the middle of college recruitment years. Very few, if any, talented kids will be looking to leave their teams for WS. However, the opposite may be true.

This is why Arlington doesnt have full DA. This is why VDA struggles at the older age groups, etc.

[Anonymous]

So this anti-Spirit crusade is based completely on three players in one age group (u15). You seriously need to take some time off. The Caribbean is nice this time of year.

[Anonymous]

Is it true that there are players playing up on all the teams? Not just the U15s? Or any other single team?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So this anti-Spirit crusade is based completely on three players in one age group (u15). You seriously need to take some time off. The Caribbean is nice this time of year.

Please work on your comprehension and debate skills. You act like a millennial trying to loud talk their opponent into submission. Is there one non-factual point in the post?

If something is not true, point it out. If it is true, accept it and move on. It is what it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So this anti-Spirit crusade is based completely on three players in one age group (u15). You seriously need to take some time off. The Caribbean is nice this time of year.

Please work on your comprehension and debate skills. You act like a millennial trying to loud talk their opponent into submission. Is there one non-factual point in the post?

If something is not true, point it out. If it is true, accept it and move on. It is what it is.

Three players. Bon voyage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is it true that there are players playing up on all the teams? Not just the U15s? Or any other single team?

Yes, every age group has at least one playup at WSVA

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So this anti-Spirit crusade is based completely on three players in one age group (u15). You seriously need to take some time off. The Caribbean is nice this time of year.

Please work on your comprehension and debate skills. You act like a millennial trying to loud talk their opponent into submission. Is there one non-factual point in the post?

If something is not true, point it out. If it is true, accept it and move on. It is what it is.

Why is there even such a crusade to begin with? The more you attack the more threatened you sound. If you believe everything you say about Spirit you will not lose players to Spirit or even a game to Spirit so what is the worry? If your team or club is so awesome you are really punching down by even bothering to comment on Spirit at all.

[Anonymous]

If WSVA doesn't have the talent and you supposedly don't want ANY of those players, and the club messes up with bloated rosters, play-ups and whatever else... who the hell cares what WSVA does or doesn't do? It should be an easy win.

Let's get this straight once and for all. WSVA Development will bring losses initially because WSVA parents and players can see the decisions the coaching staff was making that were not in the best interests of a winning record. They were in the best interests of all players they rostered. No other DA/ECNL coaching staff played it that way and the proof is in the results. That is a fact whether you want to believe or not. Whether the philosophy changes with Best, who knows...

I think the painful part is that you know that somehow your clubs win at all costs attitude isn't as successful against WSVA as you'd like... Maybe you scored a bunch of goals by targeting a weakness over and over, but overall your teams play and your daughters' play are relatively stagnant. I can hear your coaches yelling at/for your players - joy-sticking them. Be honest, you can hear it too, but haven't owned up to the effect it has on individual player development vs team success.

If you really are rooting for the success of WSVA by helping suggesting ways that WSVA can follow every other team's philosophies, does it appear anyone is interested? You all can't even own up to the recruit vs develop argument that happens at your winning record clubs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If WSVA doesn't have the talent and you supposedly don't want ANY of those players, and the club messes up with bloated rosters, play-ups and whatever else... who the hell cares what WSVA does or doesn't do? It should be an easy win.

Let's get this straight once and for all. WSVA Development will bring losses initially because WSVA parents and players can see the decisions the coaching staff was making that were not in the best interests of a winning record. They were in the best interests of all players they rostered. No other DA/ECNL coaching staff played it that way and the proof is in the results. That is a fact whether you want to believe or not. Whether the philosophy changes with Best, who knows...

I think the painful part is that you know that somehow your clubs win at all costs attitude isn't as successful against WSVA as you'd like... Maybe you scored a bunch of goals by targeting a weakness over and over, but overall your teams play and your daughters' play are relatively stagnant. I can hear your coaches yelling at/for your players - joy-sticking them. Be honest, you can hear it too, but haven't owned up to the effect it has on individual player development vs team success.

If you really are rooting for the success of WSVA by helping suggesting ways that WSVA can follow every other team's philosophies, does it appear anyone is interested? You all can't even own up to the recruit vs develop argument that happens at your winning record clubs.

Maybe reasonable people don't believe that the lack of winning at WSVA is because there is a focus of development over results. Maybe those reasonable people think that this is all BS and that WSVA needs to snap back to reality.