Allegedly there are several options for the fall none of which include being back full time?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For those of you who favor having schools open with in person instruction, how do you envision that working? I'm genuinely curious.

Can you lay out the precautions and COVID-related procedures? Seems to me that any sensible attempt at this would require:

- masks on everyone, all day long except when eating lunch.
-- keep a classroom cohort together all day long as much as possible. You don't want the entire student population to mix with one another.
-- social distancing to the extent possible, which may involve kids coming in only on certain days of the week.
- basic health checks, such as daily temperature screenings and health questionnaire asking if you've been around anyone with COVID. Kids who have a temp or who answer yes would have to be sent home immediately.
- a system (perhaps county run) for testing people regularly and for disseminating the word about positive tests of kids who are in school. Students and teachers who were in close proximity to someone who tested positive would need to self isolate at home for 2 weeks, or at the very least could not come to school.
- a system to provide fill in teachers to replace teachers who are out sick.
- A system or method for keeping self-isolating students on track with their schoolwork at home, if they feel well enough to study.
-- No sports teams or clubs and certainly no games between schools.
-- Bus transportation would need to be modified --- more buses to run the same number of kids, so kids can spread out on the bus more.

If you do all that, maybe you can pull off a year of school with in person instruction supplemented with some distance learning when necessary.

Even then, substantial numbers of students and staff to get sick. My guess is about 50 percent over the course of the year, but that's purely a guess.

I envision it working according to the recommendations from the American Academy of Pediatrics.

https://services.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19-infections/clinical-guidance/covid-19-planning-considerations-return-to-in-person-education-in-schools/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those of you who favor having schools open with in person instruction, how do you envision that working? I'm genuinely curious.

Can you lay out the precautions and COVID-related procedures? Seems to me that any sensible attempt at this would require:

- masks on everyone, all day long except when eating lunch.
-- keep a classroom cohort together all day long as much as possible. You don't want the entire student population to mix with one another.
-- social distancing to the extent possible, which may involve kids coming in only on certain days of the week.
- basic health checks, such as daily temperature screenings and health questionnaire asking if you've been around anyone with COVID. Kids who have a temp or who answer yes would have to be sent home immediately.
- a system (perhaps county run) for testing people regularly and for disseminating the word about positive tests of kids who are in school. Students and teachers who were in close proximity to someone who tested positive would need to self isolate at home for 2 weeks, or at the very least could not come to school.
- a system to provide fill in teachers to replace teachers who are out sick.
- A system or method for keeping self-isolating students on track with their schoolwork at home, if they feel well enough to study.
-- No sports teams or clubs and certainly no games between schools.
-- Bus transportation would need to be modified --- more buses to run the same number of kids, so kids can spread out on the bus more.

If you do all that, maybe you can pull off a year of school with in person instruction supplemented with some distance learning when necessary.

Even then, substantial numbers of students and staff to get sick. My guess is about 50 percent over the course of the year, but that's purely a guess.

I envision it working according to the recommendations from the American Academy of Pediatrics.

https://services.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19-infections/clinical-guidance/covid-19-planning-considerations-return-to-in-person-education-in-schools/

I read their reccomendations as, "It would be nice to do social distancing and wear masks, but if it proves too difficult logistically, then don't worry about it and press ahead anyway." Sorry, but that's not good enough. They can recommend, but they don't decide or implement.

[Anonymous]

PP again. To be clear, a lot of what the AAP recommends makes sense, and aligns with what I laid out in the long post above. What I object to is their tone of, well try this, but don't worry about it if you can't live up to this regimen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP again. To be clear, a lot of what the AAP recommends makes sense, and aligns with what I laid out in the long post above. What I object to is their tone of, well try this, but don't worry about it if you can't live up to this regimen.

"If it isn't feasible to put these mitigation tactics in place, just open schools and so be it." As a teacher, that is not good enough for me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Our Phase 3 (or even full Phase 2) isn't going to look all that different than other parts of the country that re-opened, even fully. Why do people think the result is going to be different?

Because we will go into Phase 3 at the appropriate time, rather than rushing into it prematurely.

Exactly.

MoCo is not in a bubble. We’ll see. I sincerely hope you are right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP again. To be clear, a lot of what the AAP recommends makes sense, and aligns with what I laid out in the long post above. What I object to is their tone of, well try this, but don't worry about it if you can't live up to this regimen.

Then quit. No one can force you to work, but you also can’t hold people hostage to your fears when objective analysis of the benefits and risks of opening point in favor of in person schooling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP again. To be clear, a lot of what the AAP recommends makes sense, and aligns with what I laid out in the long post above. What I object to is their tone of, well try this, but don't worry about it if you can't live up to this regimen.

"If it isn't feasible to put these mitigation tactics in place, just open schools and so be it." As a teacher, that is not good enough for me.

Great. Find a new job. Nothing will ever be "safe" enough for teachers. You all have made that quite clear. You seem to be the one group incapable of accepting any risk at all, yet still think you should be paid your full salary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP again. To be clear, a lot of what the AAP recommends makes sense, and aligns with what I laid out in the long post above. What I object to is their tone of, well try this, but don't worry about it if you can't live up to this regimen.

It's not: try this, but don't worry about it if you can't do it.

It is: try this, but don't close the schools if you can't do it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP again. To be clear, a lot of what the AAP recommends makes sense, and aligns with what I laid out in the long post above. What I object to is their tone of, well try this, but don't worry about it if you can't live up to this regimen.

It's not: try this, but don't worry about it if you can't do it.

It is: try this, but don't close the schools if you can't do it.

So, functionally the same thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those of you who favor having schools open with in person instruction, how do you envision that working? I'm genuinely curious.

Can you lay out the precautions and COVID-related procedures? Seems to me that any sensible attempt at this would require:

- masks on everyone, all day long except when eating lunch.
-- keep a classroom cohort together all day long as much as possible. You don't want the entire student population to mix with one another.
-- social distancing to the extent possible, which may involve kids coming in only on certain days of the week.
- basic health checks, such as daily temperature screenings and health questionnaire asking if you've been around anyone with COVID. Kids who have a temp or who answer yes would have to be sent home immediately.
- a system (perhaps county run) for testing people regularly and for disseminating the word about positive tests of kids who are in school. Students and teachers who were in close proximity to someone who tested positive would need to self isolate at home for 2 weeks, or at the very least could not come to school.
- a system to provide fill in teachers to replace teachers who are out sick.
- A system or method for keeping self-isolating students on track with their schoolwork at home, if they feel well enough to study.
-- No sports teams or clubs and certainly no games between schools.
-- Bus transportation would need to be modified --- more buses to run the same number of kids, so kids can spread out on the bus more.

If you do all that, maybe you can pull off a year of school with in person instruction supplemented with some distance learning when necessary.

Even then, substantial numbers of students and staff to get sick. My guess is about 50 percent over the course of the year, but that's purely a guess.

I envision it working according to the recommendations from the American Academy of Pediatrics.

https://services.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19-infections/clinical-guidance/covid-19-planning-considerations-return-to-in-person-education-in-schools/

I read their reccomendations as, "It would be nice to do social distancing and wear masks, but if it proves too difficult logistically, then don't worry about it and press ahead anyway." Sorry, but that's not good enough. They can recommend, but they don't decide or implement.

This.

They aren’t even in the classrooms with 150-200 unmasked kids over the course of the day. Our pediatrician hasn’t even reopened, but when we saw them in February, they were limiting the office to two families at a time and everyone had to wear a mask. Plus, they cleaned the exam rooms between patients. No one lies to their pediatrician that Larlo doesn’t have a fever when really they dosed him with Tylenol before coming to a routine checkup.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP again. To be clear, a lot of what the AAP recommends makes sense, and aligns with what I laid out in the long post above. What I object to is their tone of, well try this, but don't worry about it if you can't live up to this regimen.

It's not: try this, but don't worry about it if you can't do it.

It is: try this, but don't close the schools if you can't do it.

So, they want us to keep the schools open AND worry about it. That makes me feel better.

[Anonymous]

I think the AAP is reacting to the parents who are calling doctors to say their kids are anxious or depressed. The parents think that those symptoms will vanish if schools just reopen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the AAP is reacting to the parents who are calling doctors to say their kids are anxious or depressed. The parents think that those symptoms will vanish if schools just reopen.

Either that, or they're medical professionals, making recommendations based on their education and experience as medical professionals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP again. To be clear, a lot of what the AAP recommends makes sense, and aligns with what I laid out in the long post above. What I object to is their tone of, well try this, but don't worry about it if you can't live up to this regimen.

It's not: try this, but don't worry about it if you can't do it.

It is: try this, but don't close the schools if you can't do it.

So, they want us to keep the schools open AND worry about it. That makes me feel better.

Yes, of course. Just like the buses, stores, emergency services (fire and rescue, police), warehouses, US post office, etc. have stayed open. Keep the schools open because the benefits exceed the costs. Worry about it because there need to be appropriate responses in case of outbreaks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP again. To be clear, a lot of what the AAP recommends makes sense, and aligns with what I laid out in the long post above. What I object to is their tone of, well try this, but don't worry about it if you can't live up to this regimen.

"If it isn't feasible to put these mitigation tactics in place, just open schools and so be it." As a teacher, that is not good enough for me.

Great. Find a new job. Nothing will ever be "safe" enough for teachers. You all have made that quite clear. You seem to be the one group incapable of accepting any risk at all, yet still think you should be paid your full salary.

All this strident back and forth is meaningless. Schools won't have in-person learning in Sept. because the virus isn't under control. People should be making other arrangements.