Can I sue Callie Oettinger?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS only let parents know about the data issue because they were forced too. They haven’t said who else got this data and why there is a spreadsheet circulating when there is a system that holds this info.

I am certain they don’t reach out to parents when they send their child’s IEP to a different family. I reached out to a family when I got their child’s highly confidential information and they never heard from FCPS about it

Exactly. Dozens of people have come forward saying the same thing happened to them. One reported they got info on Callie’s child. It was never reported because it was swept under the rug. Just because it didn’t end up with Goldwater doesn’t mean it’s securely stored. One click on a bad link, it’s on the dark web for sale.

Could you possibly be any more irrationally dramatic? For sale on the dark web? Let me guess, you believe young blonde children are being stolen every week away from their suburban homes and trafficked.

Dramatic? Data like this is so prevalent it sells for less than a dollar on the dark web. $8 for a full child’s identify. We’re not living in the 80s anymore. Google child fullz.

Now you're saying she put full information about the children's identities out there? Am I correct?

No, you’re not correct. I’m saying you have to think beyond Callie. I know it’s hard. But if FCPS is doing the same thing with every parent who asks, so multiply Callie by 10,000. Now, the other parents don’t say anything. But they don’t delete the data, or they do (a good hacker can still retrieve it). Do you trust them not to click on a spam link or accept an odd friend request on social media, or go to an impersonated website? All those things make YOUR kids’ data available for the taking. And no, this isn’t mission impossible, this is 2023 without proper cybersecurity which fcps clearly doesn’t have. Target spends $100m in cybersecurity and still got breached. How do you think your neighbor with Norton antivirus is gonna fare? Fcps is handing out unscrubbed data on hundreds or thousands of kids to anyone who asks for anything on their own kid. Callie exposed it. Was this the best way? Don’t know. But it certainly raised awareness. I for one don’t believe ignorance is bliss. Ignorance is dangerous.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS only let parents know about the data issue because they were forced too. They haven’t said who else got this data and why there is a spreadsheet circulating when there is a system that holds this info.

I am certain they don’t reach out to parents when they send their child’s IEP to a different family. I reached out to a family when I got their child’s highly confidential information and they never heard from FCPS about it

Exactly. Dozens of people have come forward saying the same thing happened to them. One reported they got info on Callie’s child. It was never reported because it was swept under the rug. Just because it didn’t end up with Goldwater doesn’t mean it’s securely stored. One click on a bad link, it’s on the dark web for sale.

Could you possibly be any more irrationally dramatic? For sale on the dark web? Let me guess, you believe young blonde children are being stolen every week away from their suburban homes and trafficked.

Dramatic? Data like this is so prevalent it sells for less than a dollar on the dark web. $8 for a full child’s identify. We’re not living in the 80s anymore. Google child fullz.

Now you're saying she put full information about the children's identities out there? Am I correct?

No, you’re not correct. I’m saying you have to think beyond Callie. I know it’s hard. But if FCPS is doing the same thing with every parent who asks, so multiply Callie by 10,000. Now, the other parents don’t say anything. But they don’t delete the data, or they do (a good hacker can still retrieve it). Do you trust them not to click on a spam link or accept an odd friend request on social media, or go to an impersonated website? All those things make YOUR kids’ data available for the taking. And no, this isn’t mission impossible, this is 2023 without proper cybersecurity which fcps clearly doesn’t have. Target spends $100m in cybersecurity and still got breached. How do you think your neighbor with Norton antivirus is gonna fare? Fcps is handing out unscrubbed data on hundreds or thousands of kids to anyone who asks for anything on their own kid. Callie exposed it. Was this the best way? Don’t know. But it certainly raised awareness. I for one don’t believe ignorance is bliss. Ignorance is dangerous.

How many other parents are abusing FOIA so much that FCPS has thumb drives of their previous requests?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Omg- the republicans running for school board were WORSE. Do you think things would be different with that crew of nutters?

Yes it would have been different. If you keep doing what you always did, you can expect the same results.

It would be different. They’d be much worse - more chaos and more difficult to get things done. Please refer to the Republicans in Congress.

Bringing in a gun nut, 1/6 insurrectionist, or
anti-LGBTQ candidate would not have helped our kids.

Can you just admit you voted for this cast of people, and own the outcomes? If you did, then you participated in this data breach.

Those nuts would not have done anything to change this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you for sharing this FCPS link. I had not seen it. The fact that this was an " unusual review" says a lot. FCPS found the problem, which " occurred because older thumb drives containing unredacted files pulled to respond to the parent’s prior FERPA requests were unintentionally and unknowingly left within boxes accessible to the parent during her in‑person review." I guess the parent has had many FOIA requestions. Even though the parent knew our children's information was private and confidential, they " copied the files and removed them from FCPS property." How is this ok?

Callie made a data request.
FCPS responded by giving her a box of data, thumb drives, etc.
Callie made a valid request - it is FCPS as the Custodian of the Data who is responsible for giving the correct data out.
So, it is reasonable for Callie to expect this is the data that pertained to her request.

Is FCPS seriously that lazy? I have been a provider of many FOIA requests. The process is simple:
1. Define the scope
2. Gather the minimum materials to respond
3. Peer review of materials
4. Legal review of material
Its simple.

She took it without parents’ consent.

Then she distributed it to others, including a conservative think tank.

And she also published semi-redacted portions on her website; some families are identifiable via details provided.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS only let parents know about the data issue because they were forced too. They haven’t said who else got this data and why there is a spreadsheet circulating when there is a system that holds this info.

I am certain they don’t reach out to parents when they send their child’s IEP to a different family. I reached out to a family when I got their child’s highly confidential information and they never heard from FCPS about it

Exactly. Dozens of people have come forward saying the same thing happened to them. One reported they got info on Callie’s child. It was never reported because it was swept under the rug. Just because it didn’t end up with Goldwater doesn’t mean it’s securely stored. One click on a bad link, it’s on the dark web for sale.

Could you possibly be any more irrationally dramatic? For sale on the dark web? Let me guess, you believe young blonde children are being stolen every week away from their suburban homes and trafficked.

Dramatic? Data like this is so prevalent it sells for less than a dollar on the dark web. $8 for a full child’s identify. We’re not living in the 80s anymore. Google child fullz.

Now you're saying she put full information about the children's identities out there? Am I correct?

No, you’re not correct. I’m saying you have to think beyond Callie. I know it’s hard. But if FCPS is doing the same thing with every parent who asks, so multiply Callie by 10,000. Now, the other parents don’t say anything. But they don’t delete the data, or they do (a good hacker can still retrieve it). Do you trust them not to click on a spam link or accept an odd friend request on social media, or go to an impersonated website? All those things make YOUR kids’ data available for the taking. And no, this isn’t mission impossible, this is 2023 without proper cybersecurity which fcps clearly doesn’t have. Target spends $100m in cybersecurity and still got breached. How do you think your neighbor with Norton antivirus is gonna fare? Fcps is handing out unscrubbed data on hundreds or thousands of kids to anyone who asks for anything on their own kid. Callie exposed it. Was this the best way? Don’t know. But it certainly raised awareness. I for one don’t believe ignorance is bliss. Ignorance is dangerous.

How many other parents are abusing FOIA so much that FCPS has thumb drives of their previous requests?

Read it again and then read it again. They don’t have to “abuse” it. They just have to posses it and store it. You really want to make this a Callie issue, but it’s not. It’s an org that is not securing data properly and it WILL end up in the wrong hands. No one can be that careless and be that lucky in 2023.

[Anonymous]

Worth the read. I have a new found respect for her and am optimistic real change is coming. Instead of suing and character assassinating Callie, she engaged her to incorporate real change. This is how it’s supposed to work and hopefully we’ll all be better off for it. Granted this comes from Callie’s site, but it follows the course of events we’re aware of.

https://specialeducationaction.com/breaking-with-fcps-tradition-superintendent-michelle-reid-chooses-systemic-change-instead-of-staying-the-course/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Okay, as a non-FCPS parent, can someone explain all of this in a nutshell? I'm extremely confused.

A person who has a non profit for special needs students rights did a foia request to fcps, they released a bunch of files to her. Fcps may have done this by accident but technically and legally they released it to her under her foia. The lady in question uses the data for analysis and statistics on fcps sped failures and concerns.

All of that without parents’ consent.

And she distributed it to others, including a conservative think tank.

And she published semi-redacted portions on her website, some families are identifiable via details provided.

Parents consented to fcps , and foia means it is public information to be published to the the public so it doesn't matter , only fault is with fcps

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FCPS only let parents know about the data issue because they were forced too. They haven’t said who else got this data and why there is a spreadsheet circulating when there is a system that holds this info.

I am certain they don’t reach out to parents when they send their child’s IEP to a different family. I reached out to a family when I got their child’s highly confidential information and they never heard from FCPS about it

Exactly. Dozens of people have come forward saying the same thing happened to them. One reported they got info on Callie’s child. It was never reported because it was swept under the rug. Just because it didn’t end up with Goldwater doesn’t mean it’s securely stored. One click on a bad link, it’s on the dark web for sale.

Could you possibly be any more irrationally dramatic? For sale on the dark web? Let me guess, you believe young blonde children are being stolen every week away from their suburban homes and trafficked.

Dramatic? Data like this is so prevalent it sells for less than a dollar on the dark web. $8 for a full child’s identify. We’re not living in the 80s anymore. Google child fullz.

Now you're saying she put full information about the children's identities out there? Am I correct?

No, you’re not correct. I’m saying you have to think beyond Callie. I know it’s hard. But if FCPS is doing the same thing with every parent who asks, so multiply Callie by 10,000. Now, the other parents don’t say anything. But they don’t delete the data, or they do (a good hacker can still retrieve it). Do you trust them not to click on a spam link or accept an odd friend request on social media, or go to an impersonated website? All those things make YOUR kids’ data available for the taking. And no, this isn’t mission impossible, this is 2023 without proper cybersecurity which fcps clearly doesn’t have. Target spends $100m in cybersecurity and still got breached. How do you think your neighbor with Norton antivirus is gonna fare? Fcps is handing out unscrubbed data on hundreds or thousands of kids to anyone who asks for anything on their own kid. Callie exposed it. Was this the best way? Don’t know. But it certainly raised awareness. I for one don’t believe ignorance is bliss. Ignorance is dangerous.

You are the one incorrect. Callie’s abuse of FERPA request is not like other FERPA Requests. Other families are not given access to a computer or making constant, excessive demands. Callie was abusing the system with the intent to bring down FCPS, even at the expense of other students or families.

Callie is a right wing extremist who hates government and FCPS. She has a political agenda and her actions are despicable. Unfortunately, she taints advocates and special need parents in a very poor light.

Callie is an extremist with an agenda, and so are her associates like Deb Tiisler and any other advocate or advocacy group associated with her.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Omg- the republicans running for school board were WORSE. Do you think things would be different with that crew of nutters?

Yes it would have been different. If you keep doing what you always did, you can expect the same results.

It would be different. They’d be much worse - more chaos and more difficult to get things done. Please refer to the Republicans in Congress.

Bringing in a gun nut, 1/6 insurrectionist, or
anti-LGBTQ candidate would not have helped our kids.

Can you just admit you voted for this cast of people, and own the outcomes? If you did, then you participated in this data breach.

You really wanted the people who made fun of a child with autism to advocate for children? Or would you prefer the Florida types who terrorize LGBTQ kids in the name of morality while having threesomes and getting accused of rape?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Okay, as a non-FCPS parent, can someone explain all of this in a nutshell? I'm extremely confused.

A person who has a non profit for special needs students rights did a foia request to fcps, they released a bunch of files to her. Fcps may have done this by accident but technically and legally they released it to her under her foia. The lady in question uses the data for analysis and statistics on fcps sped failures and concerns.

All of that without parents’ consent.

And she distributed it to others, including a conservative think tank.

And she published semi-redacted portions on her website, some families are identifiable via details provided.

Parents consented to fcps , and foia means it is public information to be published to the the public so it doesn't matter , only fault is with fcps

No, parents did not give FCPS consent to release the records.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS only let parents know about the data issue because they were forced too. They haven’t said who else got this data and why there is a spreadsheet circulating when there is a system that holds this info.

I am certain they don’t reach out to parents when they send their child’s IEP to a different family. I reached out to a family when I got their child’s highly confidential information and they never heard from FCPS about it

Exactly. Dozens of people have come forward saying the same thing happened to them. One reported they got info on Callie’s child. It was never reported because it was swept under the rug. Just because it didn’t end up with Goldwater doesn’t mean it’s securely stored. One click on a bad link, it’s on the dark web for sale.

Could you possibly be any more irrationally dramatic? For sale on the dark web? Let me guess, you believe young blonde children are being stolen every week away from their suburban homes and trafficked.

Dramatic? Data like this is so prevalent it sells for less than a dollar on the dark web. $8 for a full child’s identify. We’re not living in the 80s anymore. Google child fullz.

Now you're saying she put full information about the children's identities out there? Am I correct?

No, you’re not correct. I’m saying you have to think beyond Callie. I know it’s hard. But if FCPS is doing the same thing with every parent who asks, so multiply Callie by 10,000. Now, the other parents don’t say anything. But they don’t delete the data, or they do (a good hacker can still retrieve it). Do you trust them not to click on a spam link or accept an odd friend request on social media, or go to an impersonated website? All those things make YOUR kids’ data available for the taking. And no, this isn’t mission impossible, this is 2023 without proper cybersecurity which fcps clearly doesn’t have. Target spends $100m in cybersecurity and still got breached. How do you think your neighbor with Norton antivirus is gonna fare? Fcps is handing out unscrubbed data on hundreds or thousands of kids to anyone who asks for anything on their own kid. Callie exposed it. Was this the best way? Don’t know. But it certainly raised awareness. I for one don’t believe ignorance is bliss. Ignorance is dangerous.

You are the one incorrect. Callie’s abuse of FERPA request is not like other FERPA Requests. Other families are not given access to a computer or making constant, excessive demands. Callie was abusing the system with the intent to bring down FCPS, even at the expense of other students or families.

Callie is a right wing extremist who hates government and FCPS. She has a political agenda and her actions are despicable. Unfortunately, she taints advocates and special need parents in a very poor light.

Callie is an extremist with an agenda, and so are her associates like Deb Tiisler and any other advocate or advocacy group associated with her.

I’m sorry you disagree with Dr. Reid. Feel free to email her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Worth the read. I have a new found respect for her and am optimistic real change is coming. Instead of suing and character assassinating Callie, she engaged her to incorporate real change. This is how it’s supposed to work and hopefully we’ll all be better off for it. Granted this comes from Callie’s site, but it follows the course of events we’re aware of.

https://specialeducationaction.com/breaking-with-fcps-tradition-superintendent-michelle-reid-chooses-systemic-change-instead-of-staying-the-course/

So insufferable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FWIW, when I wrote back to complain that no one had replied to my email within the promised 5 business days, I got another auto-response saying they would reply within 12 business days🙄🙄🤔

Its amazing that FCPS can hire all these private contractors to help clean up their mess (forensic computer people. a law firm., Experian) but they can't have one FCPS employee available to provide information to families.

WORD

I think Callie is terrible.


Also, FCPS is lying about her stealing data. They were ordered by a judge to give her data. She could not have taken it illegally. It was a thumb drive, not copied papers.

It occurred to me that maybe all this data is already in the dark web

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Worth the read. I have a new found respect for her and am optimistic real change is coming. Instead of suing and character assassinating Callie, she engaged her to incorporate real change. This is how it’s supposed to work and hopefully we’ll all be better off for it. Granted this comes from Callie’s site, but it follows the course of events we’re aware of.

https://specialeducationaction.com/breaking-with-fcps-tradition-superintendent-michelle-reid-chooses-systemic-change-instead-of-staying-the-course/

So insufferable.

Callie is as extreme as hitler and Donald trump. Anyone who supports her is ignorant and brainwashed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.fcps.edu/node/49292

So she was not provided these files by FCPS she found them and stole them. Fun. How is that any different than me jumping on the Principal's computer when he's not looking?

What I can deduce by reading both of their statements, she requested the data via foia. They gave her a bunch of stuff they shouldn’t have, and she’s saying she took whatever they gave her, which is her right, whether moral or not. They are half blaming her for not scrubbing the data herself and only taking what she should have while also acknowledging it was their responsibility to only provide her what she requested (as they lost a lawsuit regarding this very topic 2 years ago, so they are treading this very carefully as to not get sued for slander).

Bottom line: in 2023, assuming a consumer will do your work for you in the way you want them to is a false premise.

FCPS' statement says she took additional drives that were not given to her but in the room she was in.