Can I sue Callie Oettinger?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Worth the read. I have a new found respect for her and am optimistic real change is coming. Instead of suing and character assassinating Callie, she engaged her to incorporate real change. This is how it’s supposed to work and hopefully we’ll all be better off for it. Granted this comes from Callie’s site, but it follows the course of events we’re aware of.

https://specialeducationaction.com/breaking-with-fcps-tradition-superintendent-michelle-reid-chooses-systemic-change-instead-of-staying-the-course/

So insufferable.

Callie is as extreme as hitler and Donald trump. Anyone who supports her is ignorant and brainwashed.

Comparing a person taking FOIA data to a person who murdered 6 million Jews. This thread has hit rock bottom. So sad.

[Anonymous]

Her website has new articles trying to justify what she did. She clearly got what she wanted out of this. Such an agenda. She knew exactly what she was doing and is on a war path.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Worth the read. I have a new found respect for her and am optimistic real change is coming. Instead of suing and character assassinating Callie, she engaged her to incorporate real change. This is how it’s supposed to work and hopefully we’ll all be better off for it. Granted this comes from Callie’s site, but it follows the course of events we’re aware of.

https://specialeducationaction.com/breaking-with-fcps-tradition-superintendent-michelle-reid-chooses-systemic-change-instead-of-staying-the-course/

So insufferable.

Callie is as extreme as hitler and Donald trump. Anyone who supports her is ignorant and brainwashed.

Godwin’s Law!!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS only let parents know about the data issue because they were forced too. They haven’t said who else got this data and why there is a spreadsheet circulating when there is a system that holds this info.

I am certain they don’t reach out to parents when they send their child’s IEP to a different family. I reached out to a family when I got their child’s highly confidential information and they never heard from FCPS about it

Exactly. Dozens of people have come forward saying the same thing happened to them. One reported they got info on Callie’s child. It was never reported because it was swept under the rug. Just because it didn’t end up with Goldwater doesn’t mean it’s securely stored. One click on a bad link, it’s on the dark web for sale.

Could you possibly be any more irrationally dramatic? For sale on the dark web? Let me guess, you believe young blonde children are being stolen every week away from their suburban homes and trafficked.

Dramatic? Data like this is so prevalent it sells for less than a dollar on the dark web. $8 for a full child’s identify. We’re not living in the 80s anymore. Google child fullz.

Now you're saying she put full information about the children's identities out there? Am I correct?

No, you’re not correct. I’m saying you have to think beyond Callie. I know it’s hard. But if FCPS is doing the same thing with every parent who asks, so multiply Callie by 10,000. Now, the other parents don’t say anything. But they don’t delete the data, or they do (a good hacker can still retrieve it). Do you trust them not to click on a spam link or accept an odd friend request on social media, or go to an impersonated website? All those things make YOUR kids’ data available for the taking. And no, this isn’t mission impossible, this is 2023 without proper cybersecurity which fcps clearly doesn’t have. Target spends $100m in cybersecurity and still got breached. How do you think your neighbor with Norton antivirus is gonna fare? Fcps is handing out unscrubbed data on hundreds or thousands of kids to anyone who asks for anything on their own kid. Callie exposed it. Was this the best way? Don’t know. But it certainly raised awareness. I for one don’t believe ignorance is bliss. Ignorance is dangerous.

I agree completely but the parents posting here don't get it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you for sharing this FCPS link. I had not seen it. The fact that this was an " unusual review" says a lot. FCPS found the problem, which " occurred because older thumb drives containing unredacted files pulled to respond to the parent’s prior FERPA requests were unintentionally and unknowingly left within boxes accessible to the parent during her in‑person review." I guess the parent has had many FOIA requestions. Even though the parent knew our children's information was private and confidential, they " copied the files and removed them from FCPS property." How is this ok?

Callie made a data request.
FCPS responded by giving her a box of data, thumb drives, etc.
Callie made a valid request - it is FCPS as the Custodian of the Data who is responsible for giving the correct data out.
So, it is reasonable for Callie to expect this is the data that pertained to her request.

Is FCPS seriously that lazy? I have been a provider of many FOIA requests. The process is simple:
1. Define the scope
2. Gather the minimum materials to respond
3. Peer review of materials
4. Legal review of material
Its simple.

She took it without parents’ consent.

Then she distributed it to others, including a conservative think tank.

And she also published semi-redacted portions on her website; some families are identifiable via details provided.

Let's keep going around in circles because you're an idiot.

Callie had rights to her children's data. She has rights to other data as well. She made legal requests for data and even went to court to get data. The school system gave her data about other children as well as her own. She did not ask for your kid's data and didn't have to ask for your consent to get data from FCPS. You are very dishonest in the way that you describe what she did. You constantly make it seem as if she stole the data or was dishonest in getting it. That is a lie and probably slander. Go ahead and try to sue. Any judge will note your dishonesty.

[Anonymous]

She went to court to get data on her kids? I’m not following that part.

People on here are making things up all over the place.

[Anonymous]

She took a USB drive that wasn’t meant for her. Did she not know what she was doing? She

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thank you for sharing this FCPS link. I had not seen it. The fact that this was an " unusual review" says a lot. FCPS found the problem, which " occurred because older thumb drives containing unredacted files pulled to respond to the parent’s prior FERPA requests were unintentionally and unknowingly left within boxes accessible to the parent during her in‑person review." I guess the parent has had many FOIA requestions. Even though the parent knew our children's information was private and confidential, they " copied the files and removed them from FCPS property." How is this ok?

Callie made a data request.
FCPS responded by giving her a box of data, thumb drives, etc.
Callie made a valid request - it is FCPS as the Custodian of the Data who is responsible for giving the correct data out.
So, it is reasonable for Callie to expect this is the data that pertained to her request.

Is FCPS seriously that lazy? I have been a provider of many FOIA requests. The process is simple:
1. Define the scope
2. Gather the minimum materials to respond
3. Peer review of materials
4. Legal review of material
Its simple.

She took it without parents’ consent.

Then she distributed it to others, including a conservative think tank.

And she also published semi-redacted portions on her website; some families are identifiable via details provided.

Let's keep going around in circles because you're an idiot.

Callie had rights to her children's data. She has rights to other data as well. She made legal requests for data and even went to court to get data. The school system gave her data about other children as well as her own. She did not ask for your kid's data and didn't have to ask for your consent to get data from FCPS. You are very dishonest in the way that you describe what she did. You constantly make it seem as if she stole the data or was dishonest in getting it. That is a lie and probably slander. Go ahead and try to sue. Any judge will note your dishonesty.

They did not intentionally give her that data.

She didn’t get consent from the parents.

She knew what was in her FOIA request and it wasn’t the info on this thumb drive. She should have deleted it as soon as she realized it was an error and NOT forwarded it on to others or posted it online.

Not sure why you keep defending her actions. She was clearly wrong to retain, forward, and post this data.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She took a USB drive that wasn’t meant for her. Did she not know what she was doing? She

She knew what she requested. As soon as she realized this was not it, she should have deleted right away.

Certainly not forward it to others or post on her website. (!!)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FCPS only let parents know about the data issue because they were forced too. They haven’t said who else got this data and why there is a spreadsheet circulating when there is a system that holds this info.

I am certain they don’t reach out to parents when they send their child’s IEP to a different family. I reached out to a family when I got their child’s highly confidential information and they never heard from FCPS about it

Exactly. Dozens of people have come forward saying the same thing happened to them. One reported they got info on Callie’s child. It was never reported because it was swept under the rug. Just because it didn’t end up with Goldwater doesn’t mean it’s securely stored. One click on a bad link, it’s on the dark web for sale.

Could you possibly be any more irrationally dramatic? For sale on the dark web? Let me guess, you believe young blonde children are being stolen every week away from their suburban homes and trafficked.

Dramatic? Data like this is so prevalent it sells for less than a dollar on the dark web. $8 for a full child’s identify. We’re not living in the 80s anymore. Google child fullz.

Now you're saying she put full information about the children's identities out there? Am I correct?

No, you’re not correct. I’m saying you have to think beyond Callie. I know it’s hard. But if FCPS is doing the same thing with every parent who asks, so multiply Callie by 10,000. Now, the other parents don’t say anything. But they don’t delete the data, or they do (a good hacker can still retrieve it). Do you trust them not to click on a spam link or accept an odd friend request on social media, or go to an impersonated website? All those things make YOUR kids’ data available for the taking. And no, this isn’t mission impossible, this is 2023 without proper cybersecurity which fcps clearly doesn’t have. Target spends $100m in cybersecurity and still got breached. How do you think your neighbor with Norton antivirus is gonna fare? Fcps is handing out unscrubbed data on hundreds or thousands of kids to anyone who asks for anything on their own kid. Callie exposed it. Was this the best way? Don’t know. But it certainly raised awareness. I for one don’t believe ignorance is bliss. Ignorance is dangerous.

I agree completely but the parents posting here don't get it.

She was right to report this error.

She was wrong to keep the data and exploit it for her own purposes - without the consent of thousands of parents.

[Anonymous]

This whole situation is beyond frustrating. I’m a sped teacher here in fcps. My child was also part of the leaked info. What will happen is us overworked sped teachers will have to a bunch of training now and jump through more hoops. I sure as hell hope the fcps idiots who messed up are fired and fcps is held accountable. They always seem to throw it back on us teachers so they appear they (fcps) are doing something.

[Anonymous]

The short answer is I expect she has lawyered up by now and she better have a very good umbrella policy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thank you for sharing this FCPS link. I had not seen it. The fact that this was an " unusual review" says a lot. FCPS found the problem, which " occurred because older thumb drives containing unredacted files pulled to respond to the parent’s prior FERPA requests were unintentionally and unknowingly left within boxes accessible to the parent during her in‑person review." I guess the parent has had many FOIA requestions. Even though the parent knew our children's information was private and confidential, they " copied the files and removed them from FCPS property." How is this ok?

Callie made a data request.
FCPS responded by giving her a box of data, thumb drives, etc.
Callie made a valid request - it is FCPS as the Custodian of the Data who is responsible for giving the correct data out.
So, it is reasonable for Callie to expect this is the data that pertained to her request.

Is FCPS seriously that lazy? I have been a provider of many FOIA requests. The process is simple:
1. Define the scope
2. Gather the minimum materials to respond
3. Peer review of materials
4. Legal review of material
Its simple.

She took it without parents’ consent.

Then she distributed it to others, including a conservative think tank.

And she also published semi-redacted portions on her website; some families are identifiable via details provided.

She does not need anyone’s consent to publicize materials that she received via a FOIA (or similar sunshine law) request. The law is very clear on this issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thank you for sharing this FCPS link. I had not seen it. The fact that this was an " unusual review" says a lot. FCPS found the problem, which " occurred because older thumb drives containing unredacted files pulled to respond to the parent’s prior FERPA requests were unintentionally and unknowingly left within boxes accessible to the parent during her in‑person review." I guess the parent has had many FOIA requestions. Even though the parent knew our children's information was private and confidential, they " copied the files and removed them from FCPS property." How is this ok?

Callie made a data request.
FCPS responded by giving her a box of data, thumb drives, etc.
Callie made a valid request - it is FCPS as the Custodian of the Data who is responsible for giving the correct data out.
So, it is reasonable for Callie to expect this is the data that pertained to her request.

Is FCPS seriously that lazy? I have been a provider of many FOIA requests. The process is simple:
1. Define the scope
2. Gather the minimum materials to respond
3. Peer review of materials
4. Legal review of material
Its simple.

She took it without parents’ consent.

Then she distributed it to others, including a conservative think tank.

And she also published semi-redacted portions on her website; some families are identifiable via details provided.

She does not need anyone’s consent to publicize materials that she received via a FOIA (or similar sunshine law) request. The law is very clear on this issue.

Yeah, I'm sure you've studied FERPA and privacy laws extensively....

[Anonymous]

Anyone else wondering how the thumb drives came into Callie’s possession? Did the paralegal need to leave the room to photocopy something, ask a question, go to the bathroom, etc. and Callie conveniently scooped up the thumb drives? Seems to fit with something she would do. Can we get a FOIA regarding the specifics of the investigation?
She did something similar before but it was FCPS employee info and got away with it. Now she is emboldened to strike again. I think she mistakenly thought everyone would be upset with FCPS and not her. I’m all in for a class action lawsuit. She won before because it was FCPS that sued, FCPS that gave the info, and also FCPS that had info published publicly. I think if the parents sue, the outcome would be very different.