7/24/23 Trial of Usman Shahid -- driver who killed two Oakton teens

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Criminal trials are many for the defendant and society. We don't have an eye for an eye here, so they are mainly to deter more damage to society and give a warning to future offenders or to allow the wrongly accused to set the record straight. Hopefully the families can get some money to help them move forward more easily and at least feel from the community during the criminal trial that their children's lives were valued.

How would money help them move forward? Its not like 14 year olds were breadwinners or raising families?

Recover funeral expenses, for one

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Criminal trials are many for the defendant and society. We don't have an eye for an eye here, so they are mainly to deter more damage to society and give a warning to future offenders or to allow the wrongly accused to set the record straight. Hopefully the families can get some money to help them move forward more easily and at least feel from the community during the criminal trial that their children's lives were valued.

How would money help them move forward? Its not like 14 year olds were breadwinners or raising families?

Oooo! Oooo! [raising hand!!! ] me! call on me!

This was in my law school torts class ... while money won't bring the girls back, it's literally all we have to "make them as whole as possible." Sure, each of those girl's lives was worth more than money to their parents. But, we don't have a supply of teen girls that we can offer them to replace the one they lost. So, all we can do is use money as a substitute.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That’s all hope and pray that Usman Shahid gets the maximal sentence of 20 years in jail. This is what he deserves. He took two lives. Stop arguing about other things on this thread. He needs to go to jail.

Not going to happen. Start getting used to that. You obviously are new to watching court cases.

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Anonymous wrote:The sentencing was delayed

Good. He can wait in jail.

Again can we stop being so mean?

We told enough everyone make a mistake, and he’s going to spend time behind bars, but please stop being mean. I am just going show this link the the lawyer.

Those poor grieving and suffering parents and families of the girls who were killed and injured; their lives will never be the same. They are traumatized.

Shahid can wait in jail; he turned himself in days (or was it weeks?) after his horrific accident and so this seems justified for the judge to delay any and everything related to his sentencing. Maybe Usman will use this delay to contemplate, ruminate and reflect upon his actions.

It was definitely weeks.

Stop lying. I am done. I’m turning this off because it’s not good for my health. But he turn himself in As soon as they told him too. Goodbye have a nice life.

Good idea. You realize there will be a civil trial right? You’re not doing him any favors. Look like those who support him don’t accept responsibility. Jurors do not like that. At all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is so disappointing how they are still trying to shift the blame….
This is a very grave situation.
It’s unimaginable to be driving 81 on a street Where limit is 35.
You can’t try to shift blame.
This is outrageous. Complete disregard for any life.
This is crazy

Acknowledging that two people made errors leading to fatalities isn’t shifting blame. It’s holding everyone accountable. It’s not a zero sum game.

Indulging frivolous blame-sharing fantasies like this probably helped shape Shahid into the person that he is today. Just saying.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Criminal trials are many for the defendant and society. We don't have an eye for an eye here, so they are mainly to deter more damage to society and give a warning to future offenders or to allow the wrongly accused to set the record straight. Hopefully the families can get some money to help them move forward more easily and at least feel from the community during the criminal trial that their children's lives were valued.

How would money help them move forward? Its not like 14 year olds were breadwinners or raising families?

Stop this. You won’t get out of being sued in a civil court.
If your argument to a grieving parent is “ oh too bad your 14 year old didn’t make any money”
I am telling you that will not go well

I don't know who are you directing your answer but I was only asking a question out of curiosity, not entangled in it anyway like you clearly are.

[Anonymous]

It’s very clear by these posts from relatives, this person will never learn from this.
He needs significant jail time.
Exploiting the victims, intimidating people, using confusing language..
I am shocked, saddened, disgusted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Criminal trials are many for the defendant and society. We don't have an eye for an eye here, so they are mainly to deter more damage to society and give a warning to future offenders or to allow the wrongly accused to set the record straight. Hopefully the families can get some money to help them move forward more easily and at least feel from the community during the criminal trial that their children's lives were valued.

How would money help them move forward? It’s not like 14 year olds were breadwinners or raising families?

Definitely go with this argument as a character witness in the civil trial. It’s a winner.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s very clear by these posts from relatives, this person will never learn from this.
He needs significant jail time.
Exploiting the victims, intimidating people, using confusing language..
I am shocked, saddened, disgusted.

+1

And it’s likely someone reading this thread will be on that jury for the civil trial and remember how their family acted during this time.

[Anonymous]

If he is not going to get the maximum of 20 years then how much jail sentence will he get? Will they release him to go home for a while until the civil case is over? How does this work.? Can someone explain it? is there a possibility of house arrest? I mean, he didn’t do this on purpose. It was reckless and stupid. He was only 18. Maybe I watch too many movies, but they will absolutely destroy him in a federal prison. A young 20 year old boy going in with hardened inmates?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s very clear by these posts from relatives, this person will never learn from this.
He needs significant jail time.
Exploiting the victims, intimidating people, using confusing language..
I am shocked, saddened, disgusted.

+1

And it’s likely someone reading this thread will be on that jury for the civil trial and remember how their family acted during this time.

Doubtful. Maybe behavior in the courtroom yes, but they are supposed to have fresh eyes and just review pertinent facts. Not crazy relatives.

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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Criminal trials are many for the defendant and society. We don't have an eye for an eye here, so they are mainly to deter more damage to society and give a warning to future offenders or to allow the wrongly accused to set the record straight. Hopefully the families can get some money to help them move forward more easily and at least feel from the community during the criminal trial that their children's lives were valued.[/quote]


How would money help them move forward? Its not like 14 year olds were breadwinners or raising families?[/quote]


Stop this. You won’t get out of being sued in a civil court.
If your argument to a grieving parent is “ oh too bad your 14 year old didn’t make any money”
I am telling you that will not go well [/quote]

I don't know who are you directing your answer but I was only asking a question out of curiosity, not entangled in it anyway like you clearly are.[/quote]


Nope! Not as entangled as you are.
The fact is this went on for two years and made news at this point so everybody knows!!!!

[Anonymous]

I think it would be good for the defendant to go away from this insanity, he was a stupid teen who was in an accident due to his own stupid decisions and since then his life is a chaos, mentally, logistically, financially and socially, possibly even physically.

He can face his sentence, get over some of the guilt to become emotionally stable, move away from family problems and social stigma. He should do therapy, meditation and online classes to come out of this nightmare and do good for the society and for his and victims families who all share this nightmare with him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is he still in jail and why the delay in sentencing?

There is a website called VINELink where you can search to see if someone is in custody

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it would be good for the defendant to go away from this insanity, he was a stupid teen who was in an accident due to his own stupid decisions and since then his life is a chaos, mentally, logistically, financially and socially, possibly even physically.

He can face his sentence, get over some of the guilt to become emotionally stable, move away from family problems and social stigma. He should do therapy, meditation and online classes to come out of this nightmare and do good for the society and for his and victims families who all share this nightmare with him.

This is good advice. Acknowledging one's guilt is very hard and serving a sentence is a part of the process.

Pay your debt to society, do better going forward.