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Anonymous wrote:Are all C4TJ parents total dicks? Or just the one on DCUM?

Yes of course they all are. When I lose an argument I resort to abuse. I am such an angel and delightful company.

That would explain the constant stream of C4TJ a-hole posts. Don’t they have anything better to do with your time? Kick puppies?

The lack of self-awareness is ironic.

+1. If you’ve seen the recent rantings of TJAAG leaders like Rachel Lei you’d know they are even more aggressive and obnoxious.

They are complete narcissists who spend all their time trying to remake TJ so they can still bring up TJ in every conversation, but without having to apologize for the school having “too many” Asian kids.

“Both sides”.

Trying to deflect from 67 pages of C4TJ a-hole posts? Hard to do when we can all read them for ourselves.

Let's not forget the smug taunting coming from the pro reform crowd. The repeated posts calling TJ kids cheaters and preppers. The casual accusations of racism and white supremacy. The constant belittling and put downs. Ad hominem after Ad hominem.

This has been going on for months and months. The pro reform crowd haven't been acting like angels.

But I heard some people who spent a lot of money at a prep center had access to the test?

This isn't QUITE true.

What has been confirmed by TJ students who attended Curie Learning Centers (CLC) flagship TJ prep program, a 16-month course costing nearly $5K for entry, is that students in the Class of 2023 and 2024 reported having seen some problems word-for-word on the Quant-Q that they had seen before at Curie.

Now, if you know anything about the Quant-Q, you know that this is essentially impossible unless there were some students in the Class of 2022 or 23, the first two years that the Quant-Q was assessed, who memorized the questions that they saw and brought them back to Curie for use in their TJ Prep program. Quant-Q problems are multi-layered and require a fair amount of native problem-solving ability to attack - unless you have already been taught how to answer their unique types of problems.

It would appear, as with many standardized exams, that the makers of the Quant-Q use a question bank from which to put together the multiple forms of their exams each year, and that Curie students had the privilege of seeing these questions - and more importantly, question types - prior to taking the exam itself.

This is additionally problematic because the Quant-Q markets itself as a secured exam, meaning that anyone who sees it is supposed to sign an NDA agreeing not to share its contents. The reason for this is because the point of the exam is to test how a student deals with a problem that they've never seen before, and whether or not they can quickly and efficiently come up with a solution on their own. The exam is rendered pointless and incredibly easy if students are shown in advance how to handle the different types of problems.

Ah.. if this is the case i.e., leaking questions after agreeing to NDA is definitely not fair to other students. If there is no NDA, then it doesn't matter. I guess the same problem exists for any standardized test such as ACT, SAT etc.

Even with out the leak, there will only be a limited number of questions (or question types) we can come up with that an above average 8th grader could answer in reasonable time and difficult to prevent prep centers or books to mimic the types of questions for practice. If we try to make it truly unique and difficult like olympiad, then hardly anyone will be able to answer, which defeats the purpose unless we are trying to select a handful of real geniuses.

So basically children of wealthy families that can afford to drop $5k on prep had a big advantage over everyone else. That seems like a real problem.

I think so. From what I heard, a significant majority of kids who go to curie TJ prep are already in either Level IV or GT programs. Since when the kids are already above average or smarter, its not difficult to conceive that an extra boost given by significant preparation can do wonders. I know curie got more popular, but I heard there are several other, but less visible places, that offer similar TJ prep. I knew at least a few kids who had private tutors doing the similar sort of prep. I wonder what percent of these kids could still have gotten into TJ with out any sort of prep or tutoring.

Bottom line is, if there is test or selection process, then there will be people or places that offer prepping. Its universal and you see it for all sorts of tests in all countries. There is no way around it. Quite a few kids take tutoring classes to improve their school grades. Heck, my grade 3 daughter goes to kumon to improve math skills and I have no intention of stopping her just because some random person on the internet considers this as unfair to other kids in the class!

You're right about the existence of many other prep companies that make a lot of money off of trying to get kids into TJ. Sunshine, OptimalTJPrep, Kate Dalby... there's even one that is run by a recent TJ graduate called EduAvenues.

I hear white parents pay $400 per hour for private tutoring of classes, SAT/ACT and for other help while Asian students sit in a prep class for $30 per class.

Aunt Becky probably tried the legal way of paying $400 per hour private tutoring first. When that didn't work out -- prepping for a test is actually not as easy as they think -- she paid the big bucks to have someone take the tests.

People need to be honest with themselves. If you have the IQ and work ethic, test is an equalizer for you against wealthy peers. All you need is some books and time dedicated to study. Prepping can only help you marginally.

Here are the winners of this year's math competition from MIT. PPs can spend a million dollar on prepping and their children still won't make it to this stage.

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Anonymous wrote:Are all C4TJ parents total dicks? Or just the one on DCUM?

Yes of course they all are. When I lose an argument I resort to abuse. I am such an angel and delightful company.

That would explain the constant stream of C4TJ a-hole posts. Don’t they have anything better to do with your time? Kick puppies?

The lack of self-awareness is ironic.

+1. If you’ve seen the recent rantings of TJAAG leaders like Rachel Lei you’d know they are even more aggressive and obnoxious.

They are complete narcissists who spend all their time trying to remake TJ so they can still bring up TJ in every conversation, but without having to apologize for the school having “too many” Asian kids.

“Both sides”.

Trying to deflect from 67 pages of C4TJ a-hole posts? Hard to do when we can all read them for ourselves.

Let's not forget the smug taunting coming from the pro reform crowd. The repeated posts calling TJ kids cheaters and preppers. The casual accusations of racism and white supremacy. The constant belittling and put downs. Ad hominem after Ad hominem.

This has been going on for months and months. The pro reform crowd haven't been acting like angels.

But I heard some people who spent a lot of money at a prep center had access to the test?

This isn't QUITE true.

What has been confirmed by TJ students who attended Curie Learning Centers (CLC) flagship TJ prep program, a 16-month course costing nearly $5K for entry, is that students in the Class of 2023 and 2024 reported having seen some problems word-for-word on the Quant-Q that they had seen before at Curie.

Now, if you know anything about the Quant-Q, you know that this is essentially impossible unless there were some students in the Class of 2022 or 23, the first two years that the Quant-Q was assessed, who memorized the questions that they saw and brought them back to Curie for use in their TJ Prep program. Quant-Q problems are multi-layered and require a fair amount of native problem-solving ability to attack - unless you have already been taught how to answer their unique types of problems.

It would appear, as with many standardized exams, that the makers of the Quant-Q use a question bank from which to put together the multiple forms of their exams each year, and that Curie students had the privilege of seeing these questions - and more importantly, question types - prior to taking the exam itself.

This is additionally problematic because the Quant-Q markets itself as a secured exam, meaning that anyone who sees it is supposed to sign an NDA agreeing not to share its contents. The reason for this is because the point of the exam is to test how a student deals with a problem that they've never seen before, and whether or not they can quickly and efficiently come up with a solution on their own. The exam is rendered pointless and incredibly easy if students are shown in advance how to handle the different types of problems.

Ah.. if this is the case i.e., leaking questions after agreeing to NDA is definitely not fair to other students. If there is no NDA, then it doesn't matter. I guess the same problem exists for any standardized test such as ACT, SAT etc.

Even with out the leak, there will only be a limited number of questions (or question types) we can come up with that an above average 8th grader could answer in reasonable time and difficult to prevent prep centers or books to mimic the types of questions for practice. If we try to make it truly unique and difficult like olympiad, then hardly anyone will be able to answer, which defeats the purpose unless we are trying to select a handful of real geniuses.

So basically children of wealthy families that can afford to drop $5k on prep had a big advantage over everyone else. That seems like a real problem.

I think so. From what I heard, a significant majority of kids who go to curie TJ prep are already in either Level IV or GT programs. Since when the kids are already above average or smarter, its not difficult to conceive that an extra boost given by significant preparation can do wonders. I know curie got more popular, but I heard there are several other, but less visible places, that offer similar TJ prep. I knew at least a few kids who had private tutors doing the similar sort of prep. I wonder what percent of these kids could still have gotten into TJ with out any sort of prep or tutoring.

Bottom line is, if there is test or selection process, then there will be people or places that offer prepping. Its universal and you see it for all sorts of tests in all countries. There is no way around it. Quite a few kids take tutoring classes to improve their school grades. Heck, my grade 3 daughter goes to kumon to improve math skills and I have no intention of stopping her just because some random person on the internet considers this as unfair to other kids in the class!

You're right about the existence of many other prep companies that make a lot of money off of trying to get kids into TJ. Sunshine, OptimalTJPrep, Kate Dalby... there's even one that is run by a recent TJ graduate called EduAvenues.

I hear white parents pay $400 per hour for private tutoring of classes, SAT/ACT and for other help while Asian students sit in a prep class for $30 per class.

Aunt Becky probably tried the legal way of paying $400 per hour private tutoring first. When that didn't work out -- prepping for a test is actually not as easy as they think -- she paid the big bucks to have someone take the tests.

People need to be honest with themselves. If you have the IQ and work ethic, test is an equalizer for you against wealthy peers. All you need is some books and time dedicated to study. Prepping can only help you marginally.

Here are the winners of this year's math competition from MIT. PPs can spend a million dollar on prepping and their children still won't make it to this stage.

at least you don't hide your racism

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Anonymous wrote:Are all C4TJ parents total dicks? Or just the one on DCUM?

Yes of course they all are. When I lose an argument I resort to abuse. I am such an angel and delightful company.

That would explain the constant stream of C4TJ a-hole posts. Don’t they have anything better to do with your time? Kick puppies?

The lack of self-awareness is ironic.

+1. If you’ve seen the recent rantings of TJAAG leaders like Rachel Lei you’d know they are even more aggressive and obnoxious.

They are complete narcissists who spend all their time trying to remake TJ so they can still bring up TJ in every conversation, but without having to apologize for the school having “too many” Asian kids.

“Both sides”.

Trying to deflect from 67 pages of C4TJ a-hole posts? Hard to do when we can all read them for ourselves.

Let's not forget the smug taunting coming from the pro reform crowd. The repeated posts calling TJ kids cheaters and preppers. The casual accusations of racism and white supremacy. The constant belittling and put downs. Ad hominem after Ad hominem.

This has been going on for months and months. The pro reform crowd haven't been acting like angels.

But I heard some people who spent a lot of money at a prep center had access to the test?

This isn't QUITE true.

What has been confirmed by TJ students who attended Curie Learning Centers (CLC) flagship TJ prep program, a 16-month course costing nearly $5K for entry, is that students in the Class of 2023 and 2024 reported having seen some problems word-for-word on the Quant-Q that they had seen before at Curie.

Now, if you know anything about the Quant-Q, you know that this is essentially impossible unless there were some students in the Class of 2022 or 23, the first two years that the Quant-Q was assessed, who memorized the questions that they saw and brought them back to Curie for use in their TJ Prep program. Quant-Q problems are multi-layered and require a fair amount of native problem-solving ability to attack - unless you have already been taught how to answer their unique types of problems.

It would appear, as with many standardized exams, that the makers of the Quant-Q use a question bank from which to put together the multiple forms of their exams each year, and that Curie students had the privilege of seeing these questions - and more importantly, question types - prior to taking the exam itself.

This is additionally problematic because the Quant-Q markets itself as a secured exam, meaning that anyone who sees it is supposed to sign an NDA agreeing not to share its contents. The reason for this is because the point of the exam is to test how a student deals with a problem that they've never seen before, and whether or not they can quickly and efficiently come up with a solution on their own. The exam is rendered pointless and incredibly easy if students are shown in advance how to handle the different types of problems.

Ah.. if this is the case i.e., leaking questions after agreeing to NDA is definitely not fair to other students. If there is no NDA, then it doesn't matter. I guess the same problem exists for any standardized test such as ACT, SAT etc.

Even with out the leak, there will only be a limited number of questions (or question types) we can come up with that an above average 8th grader could answer in reasonable time and difficult to prevent prep centers or books to mimic the types of questions for practice. If we try to make it truly unique and difficult like olympiad, then hardly anyone will be able to answer, which defeats the purpose unless we are trying to select a handful of real geniuses.

So basically children of wealthy families that can afford to drop $5k on prep had a big advantage over everyone else. That seems like a real problem.

I think so. From what I heard, a significant majority of kids who go to curie TJ prep are already in either Level IV or GT programs. Since when the kids are already above average or smarter, its not difficult to conceive that an extra boost given by significant preparation can do wonders. I know curie got more popular, but I heard there are several other, but less visible places, that offer similar TJ prep. I knew at least a few kids who had private tutors doing the similar sort of prep. I wonder what percent of these kids could still have gotten into TJ with out any sort of prep or tutoring.

Bottom line is, if there is test or selection process, then there will be people or places that offer prepping. Its universal and you see it for all sorts of tests in all countries. There is no way around it. Quite a few kids take tutoring classes to improve their school grades. Heck, my grade 3 daughter goes to kumon to improve math skills and I have no intention of stopping her just because some random person on the internet considers this as unfair to other kids in the class!

You're right about the existence of many other prep companies that make a lot of money off of trying to get kids into TJ. Sunshine, OptimalTJPrep, Kate Dalby... there's even one that is run by a recent TJ graduate called EduAvenues.

I hear white parents pay $400 per hour for private tutoring of classes, SAT/ACT and for other help while Asian students sit in a prep class for $30 per class.

Aunt Becky probably tried the legal way of paying $400 per hour private tutoring first. When that didn't work out -- prepping for a test is actually not as easy as they think -- she paid the big bucks to have someone take the tests.

People need to be honest with themselves. If you have the IQ and work ethic, test is an equalizer for you against wealthy peers. All you need is some books and time dedicated to study. Prepping can only help you marginally.

Here are the winners of this year's math competition from MIT. PPs can spend a million dollar on prepping and their children still won't make it to this stage.

at least you don't hide your racism

It's the FCPS and their supporters who are racists. I am just trying to correct their misconception based on racial prejudice.

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Anonymous wrote:Are all C4TJ parents total dicks? Or just the one on DCUM?

Yes of course they all are. When I lose an argument I resort to abuse. I am such an angel and delightful company.

That would explain the constant stream of C4TJ a-hole posts. Don’t they have anything better to do with your time? Kick puppies?

The lack of self-awareness is ironic.

+1. If you’ve seen the recent rantings of TJAAG leaders like Rachel Lei you’d know they are even more aggressive and obnoxious.

They are complete narcissists who spend all their time trying to remake TJ so they can still bring up TJ in every conversation, but without having to apologize for the school having “too many” Asian kids.

“Both sides”.

Trying to deflect from 67 pages of C4TJ a-hole posts? Hard to do when we can all read them for ourselves.

Let's not forget the smug taunting coming from the pro reform crowd. The repeated posts calling TJ kids cheaters and preppers. The casual accusations of racism and white supremacy. The constant belittling and put downs. Ad hominem after Ad hominem.

This has been going on for months and months. The pro reform crowd haven't been acting like angels.

But I heard some people who spent a lot of money at a prep center had access to the test?

This isn't QUITE true.

What has been confirmed by TJ students who attended Curie Learning Centers (CLC) flagship TJ prep program, a 16-month course costing nearly $5K for entry, is that students in the Class of 2023 and 2024 reported having seen some problems word-for-word on the Quant-Q that they had seen before at Curie.

Now, if you know anything about the Quant-Q, you know that this is essentially impossible unless there were some students in the Class of 2022 or 23, the first two years that the Quant-Q was assessed, who memorized the questions that they saw and brought them back to Curie for use in their TJ Prep program. Quant-Q problems are multi-layered and require a fair amount of native problem-solving ability to attack - unless you have already been taught how to answer their unique types of problems.

It would appear, as with many standardized exams, that the makers of the Quant-Q use a question bank from which to put together the multiple forms of their exams each year, and that Curie students had the privilege of seeing these questions - and more importantly, question types - prior to taking the exam itself.

This is additionally problematic because the Quant-Q markets itself as a secured exam, meaning that anyone who sees it is supposed to sign an NDA agreeing not to share its contents. The reason for this is because the point of the exam is to test how a student deals with a problem that they've never seen before, and whether or not they can quickly and efficiently come up with a solution on their own. The exam is rendered pointless and incredibly easy if students are shown in advance how to handle the different types of problems.

Ah.. if this is the case i.e., leaking questions after agreeing to NDA is definitely not fair to other students. If there is no NDA, then it doesn't matter. I guess the same problem exists for any standardized test such as ACT, SAT etc.

Even with out the leak, there will only be a limited number of questions (or question types) we can come up with that an above average 8th grader could answer in reasonable time and difficult to prevent prep centers or books to mimic the types of questions for practice. If we try to make it truly unique and difficult like olympiad, then hardly anyone will be able to answer, which defeats the purpose unless we are trying to select a handful of real geniuses.

So basically children of wealthy families that can afford to drop $5k on prep had a big advantage over everyone else. That seems like a real problem.

I think so. From what I heard, a significant majority of kids who go to curie TJ prep are already in either Level IV or GT programs. Since when the kids are already above average or smarter, its not difficult to conceive that an extra boost given by significant preparation can do wonders. I know curie got more popular, but I heard there are several other, but less visible places, that offer similar TJ prep. I knew at least a few kids who had private tutors doing the similar sort of prep. I wonder what percent of these kids could still have gotten into TJ with out any sort of prep or tutoring.

Bottom line is, if there is test or selection process, then there will be people or places that offer prepping. Its universal and you see it for all sorts of tests in all countries. There is no way around it. Quite a few kids take tutoring classes to improve their school grades. Heck, my grade 3 daughter goes to kumon to improve math skills and I have no intention of stopping her just because some random person on the internet considers this as unfair to other kids in the class!

You're right about the existence of many other prep companies that make a lot of money off of trying to get kids into TJ. Sunshine, OptimalTJPrep, Kate Dalby... there's even one that is run by a recent TJ graduate called EduAvenues.

I hear white parents pay $400 per hour for private tutoring of classes, SAT/ACT and for other help while Asian students sit in a prep class for $30 per class.

Aunt Becky probably tried the legal way of paying $400 per hour private tutoring first. When that didn't work out -- prepping for a test is actually not as easy as they think -- she paid the big bucks to have someone take the tests.

People need to be honest with themselves. If you have the IQ and work ethic, test is an equalizer for you against wealthy peers. All you need is some books and time dedicated to study. Prepping can only help you marginally.

Here are the winners of this year's math competition from MIT. PPs can spend a million dollar on prepping and their children still won't make it to this stage.

at least you don't hide your racism

It's the FCPS and their supporters who are racists. I am just trying to correct their misconception based on racial prejudice.

All Fairfax school board members should resign in disgrace immediately if they have any self-respect.

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Anonymous wrote:Are all C4TJ parents total dicks? Or just the one on DCUM?

Yes of course they all are. When I lose an argument I resort to abuse. I am such an angel and delightful company.

That would explain the constant stream of C4TJ a-hole posts. Don’t they have anything better to do with your time? Kick puppies?

The lack of self-awareness is ironic.

+1. If you’ve seen the recent rantings of TJAAG leaders like Rachel Lei you’d know they are even more aggressive and obnoxious.

They are complete narcissists who spend all their time trying to remake TJ so they can still bring up TJ in every conversation, but without having to apologize for the school having “too many” Asian kids.

“Both sides”.

Trying to deflect from 67 pages of C4TJ a-hole posts? Hard to do when we can all read them for ourselves.

Let's not forget the smug taunting coming from the pro reform crowd. The repeated posts calling TJ kids cheaters and preppers. The casual accusations of racism and white supremacy. The constant belittling and put downs. Ad hominem after Ad hominem.

This has been going on for months and months. The pro reform crowd haven't been acting like angels.

But I heard some people who spent a lot of money at a prep center had access to the test?

This isn't QUITE true.

What has been confirmed by TJ students who attended Curie Learning Centers (CLC) flagship TJ prep program, a 16-month course costing nearly $5K for entry, is that students in the Class of 2023 and 2024 reported having seen some problems word-for-word on the Quant-Q that they had seen before at Curie.

Now, if you know anything about the Quant-Q, you know that this is essentially impossible unless there were some students in the Class of 2022 or 23, the first two years that the Quant-Q was assessed, who memorized the questions that they saw and brought them back to Curie for use in their TJ Prep program. Quant-Q problems are multi-layered and require a fair amount of native problem-solving ability to attack - unless you have already been taught how to answer their unique types of problems.

It would appear, as with many standardized exams, that the makers of the Quant-Q use a question bank from which to put together the multiple forms of their exams each year, and that Curie students had the privilege of seeing these questions - and more importantly, question types - prior to taking the exam itself.

This is additionally problematic because the Quant-Q markets itself as a secured exam, meaning that anyone who sees it is supposed to sign an NDA agreeing not to share its contents. The reason for this is because the point of the exam is to test how a student deals with a problem that they've never seen before, and whether or not they can quickly and efficiently come up with a solution on their own. The exam is rendered pointless and incredibly easy if students are shown in advance how to handle the different types of problems.

Ah.. if this is the case i.e., leaking questions after agreeing to NDA is definitely not fair to other students. If there is no NDA, then it doesn't matter. I guess the same problem exists for any standardized test such as ACT, SAT etc.

Even with out the leak, there will only be a limited number of questions (or question types) we can come up with that an above average 8th grader could answer in reasonable time and difficult to prevent prep centers or books to mimic the types of questions for practice. If we try to make it truly unique and difficult like olympiad, then hardly anyone will be able to answer, which defeats the purpose unless we are trying to select a handful of real geniuses.

So basically children of wealthy families that can afford to drop $5k on prep had a big advantage over everyone else. That seems like a real problem.

I think so. From what I heard, a significant majority of kids who go to curie TJ prep are already in either Level IV or GT programs. Since when the kids are already above average or smarter, its not difficult to conceive that an extra boost given by significant preparation can do wonders. I know curie got more popular, but I heard there are several other, but less visible places, that offer similar TJ prep. I knew at least a few kids who had private tutors doing the similar sort of prep. I wonder what percent of these kids could still have gotten into TJ with out any sort of prep or tutoring.

Bottom line is, if there is test or selection process, then there will be people or places that offer prepping. Its universal and you see it for all sorts of tests in all countries. There is no way around it. Quite a few kids take tutoring classes to improve their school grades. Heck, my grade 3 daughter goes to kumon to improve math skills and I have no intention of stopping her just because some random person on the internet considers this as unfair to other kids in the class!

A lottery is a great way around it. There is no reason for a public school system to indulge the peppers

There's no reason for FCPS to operate a specialized STEM magnet. It was just a marketing ploy and it's devolved into a rancid excuse for people to hurl accusations of racism, cheating, and social engineering against each other. People like Asra Nomani and Sujatha Hampton should not have a platform, much less one that's been created almost entirely because of their opposition to or support for the admissions changes at TJ.

WIND IT DOWN!!!

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Asians are smarter than any other race and people cannot handle it so they discriminate and are racist.

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Anonymous wrote:Are all C4TJ parents total dicks? Or just the one on DCUM?

Yes of course they all are. When I lose an argument I resort to abuse. I am such an angel and delightful company.

That would explain the constant stream of C4TJ a-hole posts. Don’t they have anything better to do with your time? Kick puppies?

The lack of self-awareness is ironic.

+1. If you’ve seen the recent rantings of TJAAG leaders like Rachel Lei you’d know they are even more aggressive and obnoxious.

They are complete narcissists who spend all their time trying to remake TJ so they can still bring up TJ in every conversation, but without having to apologize for the school having “too many” Asian kids.

“Both sides”.

Trying to deflect from 67 pages of C4TJ a-hole posts? Hard to do when we can all read them for ourselves.

Let's not forget the smug taunting coming from the pro reform crowd. The repeated posts calling TJ kids cheaters and preppers. The casual accusations of racism and white supremacy. The constant belittling and put downs. Ad hominem after Ad hominem.

This has been going on for months and months. The pro reform crowd haven't been acting like angels.

But I heard some people who spent a lot of money at a prep center had access to the test?

This isn't QUITE true.

What has been confirmed by TJ students who attended Curie Learning Centers (CLC) flagship TJ prep program, a 16-month course costing nearly $5K for entry, is that students in the Class of 2023 and 2024 reported having seen some problems word-for-word on the Quant-Q that they had seen before at Curie.

Now, if you know anything about the Quant-Q, you know that this is essentially impossible unless there were some students in the Class of 2022 or 23, the first two years that the Quant-Q was assessed, who memorized the questions that they saw and brought them back to Curie for use in their TJ Prep program. Quant-Q problems are multi-layered and require a fair amount of native problem-solving ability to attack - unless you have already been taught how to answer their unique types of problems.

It would appear, as with many standardized exams, that the makers of the Quant-Q use a question bank from which to put together the multiple forms of their exams each year, and that Curie students had the privilege of seeing these questions - and more importantly, question types - prior to taking the exam itself.

This is additionally problematic because the Quant-Q markets itself as a secured exam, meaning that anyone who sees it is supposed to sign an NDA agreeing not to share its contents. The reason for this is because the point of the exam is to test how a student deals with a problem that they've never seen before, and whether or not they can quickly and efficiently come up with a solution on their own. The exam is rendered pointless and incredibly easy if students are shown in advance how to handle the different types of problems.

Ah.. if this is the case i.e., leaking questions after agreeing to NDA is definitely not fair to other students. If there is no NDA, then it doesn't matter. I guess the same problem exists for any standardized test such as ACT, SAT etc.

Even with out the leak, there will only be a limited number of questions (or question types) we can come up with that an above average 8th grader could answer in reasonable time and difficult to prevent prep centers or books to mimic the types of questions for practice. If we try to make it truly unique and difficult like olympiad, then hardly anyone will be able to answer, which defeats the purpose unless we are trying to select a handful of real geniuses.

So basically children of wealthy families that can afford to drop $5k on prep had a big advantage over everyone else. That seems like a real problem.

I think so. From what I heard, a significant majority of kids who go to curie TJ prep are already in either Level IV or GT programs. Since when the kids are already above average or smarter, its not difficult to conceive that an extra boost given by significant preparation can do wonders. I know curie got more popular, but I heard there are several other, but less visible places, that offer similar TJ prep. I knew at least a few kids who had private tutors doing the similar sort of prep. I wonder what percent of these kids could still have gotten into TJ with out any sort of prep or tutoring.

Bottom line is, if there is test or selection process, then there will be people or places that offer prepping. Its universal and you see it for all sorts of tests in all countries. There is no way around it. Quite a few kids take tutoring classes to improve their school grades. Heck, my grade 3 daughter goes to kumon to improve math skills and I have no intention of stopping her just because some random person on the internet considers this as unfair to other kids in the class!

You're right about the existence of many other prep companies that make a lot of money off of trying to get kids into TJ. Sunshine, OptimalTJPrep, Kate Dalby... there's even one that is run by a recent TJ graduate called EduAvenues.

I hear white parents pay $400 per hour for private tutoring of classes, SAT/ACT and for other help while Asian students sit in a prep class for $30 per class.

Aunt Becky probably tried the legal way of paying $400 per hour private tutoring first. When that didn't work out -- prepping for a test is actually not as easy as they think -- she paid the big bucks to have someone take the tests.

People need to be honest with themselves. If you have the IQ and work ethic, test is an equalizer for you against wealthy peers. All you need is some books and time dedicated to study. Prepping can only help you marginally.

Here are the winners of this year's math competition from MIT. PPs can spend a million dollar on prepping and their children still won't make it to this stage.

at least you don't hide your racism

It's the FCPS and their supporters who are racists. I am just trying to correct their misconception based on racial prejudice.

All Fairfax school board members should resign in disgrace immediately if they have any self-respect.

I was glad to see that poor Asians did so much better in this year's admissions as did all low income groups compared to previous years that favored wealthy preppers.

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Well, except those low income Asians that don't seem to do as well for some reason.

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Well, except those low income Asians that don't seem to do as well for some reason.

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“Economically disadvantaged students increased from 0.62% (2020-21) to 25.09%.”

People knew which boxes to check last year to get a boost. The ideal candidate is now a Hispanic student from Poe or Black student from Whitman who reports being economically disadvantaged.

Only amoral people checked it if they weren’t truly low-income.

What's the definition of low-income?

Did you qualify for free or reduced lunches before the pandemic? Did you have a serious financial setback during the pandemic?

Is there an official thing at of quantifying this? Can one get a certificate of low income?

There are a variety of resources available if you need some assistance.

Info and application for free/reduced lunch.
https://www.fcps.edu/resources/student-safety-and-wellness/food-and-nutrition-programs/free-and-reduced-price-meals

More info:
https://www.doe.virginia.gov/support/nutrition/resources/faqs.shtml

“ Children from families with incomes at or below 130 percent of the poverty level are eligible for free meals. Those between 130 percent and 185 percent of the poverty level are eligible for reduced-price meals”


https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/familyservices/sites/familyservices/files/assets/boardsauthoritiescommissions/community-action-advisory-board/pdfs/2020-community-action-advisory-board-state-of-the-poor-bookmark.pdf

“ In 2019, poverty for a family of four is defined as a family annual income of less than $25,750 per year.”

So we have 25% of the current class with family income below $25k per year?

Or taking the 185% criteria, 25% of the class has less than $60k. Who's measuring this?

Less than $50k family income rather

I would really like to see verification....for all the touring of the 25% number.

It’s all self reported based on the 2 meals questions on the application. Since everyone gets free meals, anyone can say yes.

Lisa Williams the FCPS equity czar, left in Dec 2021. Was her departure related to the meals questions?

Unbelievable..essentially answering yes on that question led to +131 more admissions while the story being told is that they earn less than $47K in family income? this is what happens when fools don't understand process.

Some of those are probably parents trying to game the system but there are certainly more ED kids than the prior process (0.6%).

Based on what? Feeling?

With a county with 27% low-income it takes effort to only have 0.6% low-income students. Just by opening up to all middle schools - including the poor ones - you’ll get more than 0.6%. Add in English learners and % likely to go up even more.

I don’t know where you got 0.6% but URMs typically make up about 4-6% of the students at TJ.

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Anonymous wrote:Asians are smarter than any other race and people cannot handle it so they discriminate and are racist.

Well, except those low income Asians that don't seem to do as well for some reason.

Go check out Stuyvesant. Inconvenient truth.

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Anonymous wrote:Asians are smarter than any other race and people cannot handle it so they discriminate and are racist.

Well, except those low income Asians that don't seem to do as well for some reason.

Go check out Stuyvesant. Inconvenient truth.

It's fun to compare the schools but hard to draw any conclusions from that. If you try, you just end up sounding clueless.

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Anonymous wrote:Asians are smarter than any other race and people cannot handle it so they discriminate and are racist.

Well, except those low income Asians that don't seem to do as well for some reason.

Go check out Stuyvesant. Inconvenient truth.

Tell that to the low-income Asians in FCPS who were NOT getting in before the change.

0.6% low-income students admitted for class of 2024.

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Anonymous wrote:Asians are smarter than any other race and people cannot handle it so they discriminate and are racist.

Well, except those low income Asians that don't seem to do as well for some reason.

Go check out Stuyvesant. Inconvenient truth.

It's fun to compare the schools but hard to draw any conclusions from that. If you try, you just end up sounding clueless.

Almost all the Asian students (Stuy is 75% Asian) are poor. Poor students who could barely buy books to prep. Inconvenient truth.

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Anonymous wrote:Asians are smarter than any other race and people cannot handle it so they discriminate and are racist.

Well, except those low income Asians that don't seem to do as well for some reason.

Go check out Stuyvesant. Inconvenient truth.

Tell that to the low-income Asians in FCPS who were NOT getting in before the change.

0.6% low-income students admitted for class of 2024.

$40,000 HHI ain't wealthy by any imagination bro. GTFOH.