ECNL moving to school year part 2

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone would do better at communication if they learned about the ladder of abstraction. Google it!

This isnt the issue.

The issue us that age guy wants older players to play down against younger ones. When you add grade to US Soccers eligibility matrix it makes it impossible for him to try and sneak in playing down.

Even more of an issue to age guys play down agenda is if Aug birthdays play on their correct grade in school team. This is because when Aug birthdays play on their correct grade in school team everyone on the field is the same graduating year. (except holdbacks) Which ultimately is what college coaches want when recruiting/scouting players.

Now, you're arguing for grade year (which I know what you really don't want) But here you are AGAIN, because you want to placate college coaches.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1580147174118917&id=100063709473312

Another Facebook thread where a parent with a Seotember birthday kid is asking about what to do this fall. All the comments suggest playing up so they're not misaligned when its time for college recruiting.

Im starting ti see a pattern here.

Oh yeah, ALL the comments ...

She is in a great spot because she will be one of the oldest on her team so likely bigger and faster. Statistically the kids in the oldest 1/3 of any age banding do better and get more playing time in athletics. My kid was part of the first switch from Aug cut off to birth year. She will adjust and be just fine.

Theres always one moron trying to give bad advise.

Seriously, that's been you for almost a year. Why do you care so much about forcing grade year on August kids but not the other months? Can you give any reason other than it helps your Sept daughter be the oldest?

What's incredibly frustrating about all this is you dont understand math. Everything you do is an agenda. If you did understand math you'd know that the correct matrix that includes grade is the same thing as what US Soccer provided.

You dont like the grade matrix because you have an agenda to play older players down against younger ones. Putting everything together correctly in a single matrix blows appart your play down agenda.

There is no correct matrix other than to list the age ranges.

Yes that is exactly what someone would say and think if the didn't understand math.

Not everyone does, thus making it impractical. I could create a unique language exclusively for the age change and even list the definitions, but if it's too complicated, it's a failure. I'd say trying to use math to explain something that's not math is probably not a great idea.

I dont cater to dumb people.

The correct matrix with grade is 100% the same as what US Soccer provided.

Adding fillers and unnecessary adjuncts just junks things up and makes it incorrect.

See

Age Group Birth Date Range
U-8 Aug 1, 2018 - Jul 31, 2019
U-9 Aug 1, 2017 - Jul 31, 2018
U-10 Aug 1, 2016 - Jul 31, 2017
U-11 Aug 1, 2015 - Jul 31, 2016
U-12 Aug 1, 2014 - Jul 31, 2015
U-13 Aug 1, 2013 - Jul 31, 2014
U-14 Aug 1, 2012 - Jul 31, 2013
U-15 Aug 1, 2011 - Jul 31, 2012
U-16 Aug 1, 2010 - Jul 31, 2011
U-17 Aug 1, 2009 - Jul 31, 2010
U-18 Aug 1, 2008 - Jul 31, 2009
U-19 Aug 1, 2007 - Jul 31, 2008

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thread went from frustrating to embarrassing

Well, if it's so toxic then maybe the trolls will move on. The problem is there are 2 locked in a struggle against each other.

[Anonymous]

In the 2026–2027 school year, children born after August 1, 2010, will generally be entering 10th grade (Sophomore year). Depending on their specific birth month and your local district's cutoff date.
Age guy doesnt understand math

Proof
https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1yAq7D-HKcIoe5A3hpocH9GABvwkEErEVw9tZAIMjpYo/mobilebasic
https://www.pausd.org/enrollment/registration/enrollment-process/grade-placement
https://iusd.org/sites/default/files/documents/Grade%20Level%20Placement%20for%20ALL%202026-27_0.pdf

Age guy doesnt understand math

2010s born after 8/1 are most likely to be Sophmores next fall not Juniors. Which is why below is mathematically correct.
Age guy doesnt understand math
Still 100% correct.
Age guy doesnt understand math
This is for next fall when SY starts.
Age guy doesnt understand math
11v11 = U18/U19 = ≤ 8/1/2007 ≈ Senior
11v11 = U17 = ≤ 8/1/2009 ≈ Junior
11v11 = U16 = ≤ 8/1/2010 ≈ Sophmore
11v11 = U15 = ≤ 8/1/2011 ≈ Freshman
11v11 = U14 = ≤ 8/1/2012 ≈ 8th grade
11v11 = U13 = ≤ 8/1/2013 ≈ 7th grade
9v9/11v11 = U12 = ≤ 8/1/2014 ≈ 6th grade
9v9 = U11 = ≤ 8/1/2015 ≈ 5th grade
9v9 = U10 = ≤ 8/1/2016 ≈ 4th grade
7v7 = U9 = ≤ 8/1/2017 ≈ 3rd grade
7v7 = U8 = ≤ 8/1/2018 ≈ 2nd grade
4v4 = U7 = ≤ 8/1/2019 ≈ 1st grade
4v4 = U6 = ≤ 8/1/2020 ≈ Kindergarten
Age guy doesnt understand math
Using U14 as an example what this is saying is...
Age guy doesnt understand math
1. They play 11v11
2. Players turn 14 after Aug 1
3. Players are younger than or equal to 8/1/2012
4. Players are most likely in 8th grade

[Anonymous]

In the 2026–2027 school year, children born after August 1, 2010, will generally be entering 10th grade (Sophomore year) or 11th grade (Junior year), depending on their specific birth month and your local district's cutoff date.
Grade guy doesn't understand math

Proof
https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1yAq7D-HKcIoe5A3hpocH9GABvwkEErEVw9tZAIMjpYo/mobilebasic
https://www.pausd.org/enrollment/registration/enrollment-process/grade-placement
https://iusd.org/sites/default/files/documents/Grade%20Level%20Placement%20for%20ALL%202026-27_0.pdf

Grade guy doesn't understand math

2010s born after 8/1 are most likely to be Sophmores next fall or Juniors. Which is why below is mathematically correct.
Grade guy doesn't understand math
Still 100% correct.
Grade guy doesn't understand math
This is for next fall when SY starts.
Grade guy doesn't understand math
11v11 = U18/U19 = ≤ 8/1/2007 ≈ Senior
11v11 = U17 = ≤ 8/1/2009 ≈ Senior
11v11 = U16 = ≤ 8/1/2010 ≈ Junior
11v11 = U15 = ≤ 8/1/2011 ≈ Sophomore
11v11 = U14 = ≤ 8/1/2012 ≈ Freshman
11v11 = U13 = ≤ 8/1/2013 ≈ 8th grade
9v9/11v11 = U12 = ≤ 8/1/2014 ≈ 7th grade
9v9 = U11 = ≤ 8/1/2015 ≈ 6th grade
9v9 = U10 = ≤ 8/1/2016 ≈ 5th grade
7v7 = U9 = ≤ 8/1/2017 ≈ 4th grade
7v7 = U8 = ≤ 8/1/2018 ≈ 3nd grade
4v4 = U7 = ≤ 8/1/2019 ≈ 2nd grade
4v4 = U6 = ≤ 8/1/2020 ≈ 1st
4v4 = U5 = ≤ 8/1/2021 ≈ Kindergarten
Grade guy doesn't understand math
Using U14 as an example what this is saying is...
Grade guy doesn't understand math
1. They play 11v11
2. Players turn 14 after Aug 1
3. Players are younger than or equal to 8/1/2012
4. Players are most likely in 8th grade or Freshman

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone would do better at communication if they learned about the ladder of abstraction. Google it!

This isnt the issue.

The issue us that age guy wants older players to play down against younger ones. When you add grade to US Soccers eligibility matrix it makes it impossible for him to try and sneak in playing down.

Even more of an issue to age guys play down agenda is if Aug birthdays play on their correct grade in school team. This is because when Aug birthdays play on their correct grade in school team everyone on the field is the same graduating year. (except holdbacks) Which ultimately is what college coaches want when recruiting/scouting players.

And by forcing kids to play up, you ALSO disadvantage MOST of them (a few will rise anyway). So, all you are is asking for special treatment for kids who remain playing on age.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thread went from frustrating to embarrassing

Well, if it's so toxic then maybe the trolls will move on. The problem is there are 2 locked in a struggle against each other.

Gales, it's like 5-6 against one person trying to make new imaginary rules to help his kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone would do better at communication if they learned about the ladder of abstraction. Google it!

This isnt the issue.

The issue us that age guy wants older players to play down against younger ones. When you add grade to US Soccers eligibility matrix it makes it impossible for him to try and sneak in playing down.

Even more of an issue to age guys play down agenda is if Aug birthdays play on their correct grade in school team. This is because when Aug birthdays play on their correct grade in school team everyone on the field is the same graduating year. (except holdbacks) Which ultimately is what college coaches want when recruiting/scouting players.

And by forcing kids to play up, you ALSO disadvantage MOST of them (a few will rise anyway). So, all you are is asking for special treatment for kids who remain playing on age.

This disadvantagimg them cuts their chances by playing in college by probably about half while doubling their chances of quitting. ECNL Guy has got it figured out.

Stinks to be a June or July birth in soccer now not August.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone would do better at communication if they learned about the ladder of abstraction. Google it!

This isnt the issue.

The issue us that age guy wants older players to play down against younger ones. When you add grade to US Soccers eligibility matrix it makes it impossible for him to try and sneak in playing down.

Even more of an issue to age guys play down agenda is if Aug birthdays play on their correct grade in school team. This is because when Aug birthdays play on their correct grade in school team everyone on the field is the same graduating year. (except holdbacks) Which ultimately is what college coaches want when recruiting/scouting players.

Now, you're arguing for grade year (which I know what you really don't want) But here you are AGAIN, because you want to placate college coaches.

100% School Year aka SY

Aug birthdays playing on their grade in school team is 100% allowed by the rules and has nothing to do with Grade Year aka GY

[Anonymous]

In the 2026–2027 school year, children born after August 1, 2010, will generally be entering 10th grade (Sophomore year). Depending on their specific birth month and your local district's cutoff date.
Age guy doesnt understand math

Proof
https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1yAq7D-HKcIoe5A3hpocH9GABvwkEErEVw9tZAIMjpYo/mobilebasic
https://www.pausd.org/enrollment/registration/enrollment-process/grade-placement
https://iusd.org/sites/default/files/documents/Grade%20Level%20Placement%20for%20ALL%202026-27_0.pdf

Age guy doesnt understand math

2010s born after 8/1 are most likely to be Sophmores next fall not Juniors. Which is why below is mathematically correct.
Age guy doesnt understand math
Still 100% correct.
Age guy doesnt understand math
This is for next fall when SY starts.
Age guy doesnt understand math
11v11 = U18/U19 = ≤ 8/1/2007 ≈ Senior
11v11 = U17 = ≤ 8/1/2009 ≈ Junior
11v11 = U16 = ≤ 8/1/2010 ≈ Sophmore
11v11 = U15 = ≤ 8/1/2011 ≈ Freshman
11v11 = U14 = ≤ 8/1/2012 ≈ 8th grade
11v11 = U13 = ≤ 8/1/2013 ≈ 7th grade
9v9/11v11 = U12 = ≤ 8/1/2014 ≈ 6th grade
9v9 = U11 = ≤ 8/1/2015 ≈ 5th grade
9v9 = U10 = ≤ 8/1/2016 ≈ 4th grade
7v7 = U9 = ≤ 8/1/2017 ≈ 3rd grade
7v7 = U8 = ≤ 8/1/2018 ≈ 2nd grade
4v4 = U7 = ≤ 8/1/2019 ≈ 1st grade
4v4 = U6 = ≤ 8/1/2020 ≈ Kindergarten
Age guy doesnt understand math
Using U14 as an example what this is saying is...
Age guy doesnt understand math
1. They play 11v11
2. Players turn 14 after Aug 1
3. Players are younger than or equal to 8/1/2012
4. Players are most likely in 8th grade

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thread went from frustrating to embarrassing

Well, if it's so toxic then maybe the trolls will move on. The problem is there are 2 locked in a struggle against each other.

Gales, it's like 5-6 against one person trying to make new imaginary rules to help his kid.

There are no new rules.

The correcr matrix with grades on it is exactly the same as the one US Soccer provided.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thread went from frustrating to embarrassing

Well, if it's so toxic then maybe the trolls will move on. The problem is there are 2 locked in a struggle against each other.

Gales, it's like 5-6 against one person trying to make new imaginary rules to help his kid.

Yeah, but one of the 5-6 is pretty troll-y back (perhaps deservedly so but then again, adding to the toxcity). It's all like a bad relationship.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone would do better at communication if they learned about the ladder of abstraction. Google it!

This isnt the issue.

The issue us that age guy wants older players to play down against younger ones. When you add grade to US Soccers eligibility matrix it makes it impossible for him to try and sneak in playing down.

Even more of an issue to age guys play down agenda is if Aug birthdays play on their correct grade in school team. This is because when Aug birthdays play on their correct grade in school team everyone on the field is the same graduating year. (except holdbacks) Which ultimately is what college coaches want when recruiting/scouting players.

Adding grade doesn't change the fact that nobody can play down and grade isn't binding for any age group. Meaning any grade is 100 percent allowed to play in any age group as long as their DOB fits.

Making things easier for college coaches is not the same as something being in the best interest of each individual player.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone would do better at communication if they learned about the ladder of abstraction. Google it!

This isnt the issue.

The issue us that age guy wants older players to play down against younger ones. When you add grade to US Soccers eligibility matrix it makes it impossible for him to try and sneak in playing down.

Even more of an issue to age guys play down agenda is if Aug birthdays play on their correct grade in school team. This is because when Aug birthdays play on their correct grade in school team everyone on the field is the same graduating year. (except holdbacks) Which ultimately is what college coaches want when recruiting/scouting players.

Now, you're arguing for grade year (which I know what you really don't want) But here you are AGAIN, because you want to placate college coaches.

100% School Year aka SY

Aug birthdays playing on their grade in school team is 100% allowed by the rules and has nothing to do with Grade Year aka GY

BUT your argument for it is based on what college coaches want. Take that to its conclusion means just do GY. Force kids to play up and you simply disadvantage most of them sending them to the bench/less playing time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone would do better at communication if they learned about the ladder of abstraction. Google it!

This isnt the issue.

The issue us that age guy wants older players to play down against younger ones. When you add grade to US Soccers eligibility matrix it makes it impossible for him to try and sneak in playing down.

Even more of an issue to age guys play down agenda is if Aug birthdays play on their correct grade in school team. This is because when Aug birthdays play on their correct grade in school team everyone on the field is the same graduating year. (except holdbacks) Which ultimately is what college coaches want when recruiting/scouting players.

Adding grade doesn't change the fact that nobody can play down and grade isn't binding for any age group. Meaning any grade is 100 percent allowed to play in any age group as long as their DOB fits.

Making things easier for college coaches is not the same as something being in the best interest of each individual player.

Correct, which is why I said "most likely X grade" on my matrix. You cant list a bunch of grades that might be an age group because any grade can be in that age group.

College coaches drive club soccer when players get to HS. Like it or hate it. Which is why everyone caters to them when players are older. They are the glue that keeps parents paying club fees. If college coaches scouted HS soccer games nobody would pay for club soccer for olders.