ECNL moving to school year part 2

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone would do better at communication if they learned about the ladder of abstraction. Google it!

This isnt the issue.

The issue us that age guy wants older players to play down against younger ones. When you add grade to US Soccers eligibility matrix it makes it impossible for him to try and sneak in playing down.

Even more of an issue to age guys play down agenda is if Aug birthdays play on their correct grade in school team. This is because when Aug birthdays play on their correct grade in school team everyone on the field is the same graduating year. (except holdbacks) Which ultimately is what college coaches want when recruiting/scouting players.

Now, you're arguing for grade year (which I know what you really don't want) But here you are AGAIN, because you want to placate college coaches.

100% School Year aka SY

Aug birthdays playing on their grade in school team is 100% allowed by the rules and has nothing to do with Grade Year aka GY

It's on 100 perfect allowed to only have one youth age group but that isn't happening either.

No team in DMV is forcing kids to play up and no team is offering parents to choose playing up. Therefore this argument is academic, aka pointless.

[Anonymous]

In the 2026–2027 school year, children born after August 1, 2010, will generally be entering 10th grade (Sophomore year) or 11th grade (Junior year), depending on their specific birth month and your local district's cutoff date.
Grade guy doesn't understand math

Proof
https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1yAq7D-HKcIoe5A3hpocH9GABvwkEErEVw9tZAIMjpYo/mobilebasic
https://www.pausd.org/enrollment/registration/enrollment-process/grade-placement
https://iusd.org/sites/default/files/documents/Grade%20Level%20Placement%20for%20ALL%202026-27_0.pdf

Grade guy doesn't understand math

2010s born after 8/1 are most likely to be Sophmores next fall or Juniors. Which is why below is mathematically correct.
Grade guy doesn't understand math
Still 100% correct.
Grade guy doesn't understand math
This is for next fall when SY starts.
Grade guy doesn't understand math
11v11 = U18/U19 = ≤ 8/1/2007 ≈ Senior
11v11 = U17 = ≤ 8/1/2009 ≈ Senior
11v11 = U16 = ≤ 8/1/2010 ≈ Junior
11v11 = U15 = ≤ 8/1/2011 ≈ Sophomore
11v11 = U14 = ≤ 8/1/2012 ≈ Freshman
11v11 = U13 = ≤ 8/1/2013 ≈ 8th grade
9v9/11v11 = U12 = ≤ 8/1/2014 ≈ 7th grade
9v9 = U11 = ≤ 8/1/2015 ≈ 6th grade
9v9 = U10 = ≤ 8/1/2016 ≈ 5th grade
7v7 = U9 = ≤ 8/1/2017 ≈ 4th grade
7v7 = U8 = ≤ 8/1/2018 ≈ 3nd grade
4v4 = U7 = ≤ 8/1/2019 ≈ 2nd grade
4v4 = U6 = ≤ 8/1/2020 ≈ 1st
4v4 = U5 = ≤ 8/1/2021 ≈ Kindergarten
Grade guy doesn't understand math
Using U14 as an example what this is saying is...
Grade guy doesn't understand math
1. They play 11v11
2. Players turn 14 after Aug 1
3. Players are younger than or equal to 8/1/2012
4. Players are most likely in 8th grade or Freshman

[Anonymous]

Adding fillers and unnecessary adjuncts just junks things up and makes it incorrect.

See

Age Group Birth Date Range
U-8 Aug 1, 2018 - Jul 31, 2019
U-9 Aug 1, 2017 - Jul 31, 2018
U-10 Aug 1, 2016 - Jul 31, 2017
U-11 Aug 1, 2015 - Jul 31, 2016
U-12 Aug 1, 2014 - Jul 31, 2015
U-13 Aug 1, 2013 - Jul 31, 2014
U-14 Aug 1, 2012 - Jul 31, 2013
U-15 Aug 1, 2011 - Jul 31, 2012
U-16 Aug 1, 2010 - Jul 31, 2011
U-17 Aug 1, 2009 - Jul 31, 2010
U-18 Aug 1, 2008 - Jul 31, 2009
U-19 Aug 1, 2007 - Jul 31, 2008

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone would do better at communication if they learned about the ladder of abstraction. Google it!

This isnt the issue.

The issue us that age guy wants older players to play down against younger ones. When you add grade to US Soccers eligibility matrix it makes it impossible for him to try and sneak in playing down.

Even more of an issue to age guys play down agenda is if Aug birthdays play on their correct grade in school team. This is because when Aug birthdays play on their correct grade in school team everyone on the field is the same graduating year. (except holdbacks) Which ultimately is what college coaches want when recruiting/scouting players.

Now, you're arguing for grade year (which I know what you really don't want) But here you are AGAIN, because you want to placate college coaches.

100% School Year aka SY

Aug birthdays playing on their grade in school team is 100% allowed by the rules and has nothing to do with Grade Year aka GY

BUT your argument for it is based on what college coaches want. Take that to its conclusion means just do GY. Force kids to play up and you simply disadvantage most of them sending them to the bench/less playing time.

Nope college coaches will get 99.9% of what they want if Aug birthdays play on their grade in school team.

Holdbacks aka cheaters can play on a team their age allows. They are also free to attend college id camps. They're not going to pad their stats playing against younger players.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In the 2026–2027 school year, children born after August 1, 2010, will generally be entering 10th grade (Sophomore year) or 11th grade (Junior year), depending on their specific birth month and your local district's cutoff date.
Grade guy doesn't understand math

Proof
https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1yAq7D-HKcIoe5A3hpocH9GABvwkEErEVw9tZAIMjpYo/mobilebasic
https://www.pausd.org/enrollment/registration/enrollment-process/grade-placement
https://iusd.org/sites/default/files/documents/Grade%20Level%20Placement%20for%20ALL%202026-27_0.pdf

Grade guy doesn't understand math

2010s born after 8/1 are most likely to be Sophmores next fall or Juniors. Which is why below is mathematically correct.
Grade guy doesn't understand math
Still 100% correct.
Grade guy doesn't understand math
This is for next fall when SY starts.
Grade guy doesn't understand math
11v11 = U18/U19 = ≤ 8/1/2007 ≈ Senior
11v11 = U17 = ≤ 8/1/2009 ≈ Senior
11v11 = U16 = ≤ 8/1/2010 ≈ Junior
11v11 = U15 = ≤ 8/1/2011 ≈ Sophomore
11v11 = U14 = ≤ 8/1/2012 ≈ Freshman
11v11 = U13 = ≤ 8/1/2013 ≈ 8th grade
9v9/11v11 = U12 = ≤ 8/1/2014 ≈ 7th grade
9v9 = U11 = ≤ 8/1/2015 ≈ 6th grade
9v9 = U10 = ≤ 8/1/2016 ≈ 5th grade
7v7 = U9 = ≤ 8/1/2017 ≈ 4th grade
7v7 = U8 = ≤ 8/1/2018 ≈ 3nd grade
4v4 = U7 = ≤ 8/1/2019 ≈ 2nd grade
4v4 = U6 = ≤ 8/1/2020 ≈ 1st
4v4 = U5 = ≤ 8/1/2021 ≈ Kindergarten
Grade guy doesn't understand math
Using U14 as an example what this is saying is...
Grade guy doesn't understand math
1. They play 11v11
2. Players turn 14 after Aug 1
3. Players are younger than or equal to 8/1/2012
4. Players are most likely in 8th grade or Freshman

Mathematically wrong and lets older players think they can playvdown when they cant

[Anonymous]

In the 2026–2027 school year, children born after August 1, 2010, will generally be entering 10th grade (Sophomore year). Depending on their specific birth month and your local district's cutoff date.
Age guy doesnt understand math

Proof
https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1yAq7D-HKcIoe5A3hpocH9GABvwkEErEVw9tZAIMjpYo/mobilebasic
https://www.pausd.org/enrollment/registration/enrollment-process/grade-placement
https://iusd.org/sites/default/files/documents/Grade%20Level%20Placement%20for%20ALL%202026-27_0.pdf

Age guy doesnt understand math

2010s born after 8/1 are most likely to be Sophmores next fall not Juniors. Which is why below is mathematically correct.
Age guy doesnt understand math
Still 100% correct.
Age guy doesnt understand math
This is for next fall when SY starts.
Age guy doesnt understand math
11v11 = U18/U19 = ≤ 8/1/2007 ≈ Senior
11v11 = U17 = ≤ 8/1/2009 ≈ Junior
11v11 = U16 = ≤ 8/1/2010 ≈ Sophmore
11v11 = U15 = ≤ 8/1/2011 ≈ Freshman
11v11 = U14 = ≤ 8/1/2012 ≈ 8th grade
11v11 = U13 = ≤ 8/1/2013 ≈ 7th grade
9v9/11v11 = U12 = ≤ 8/1/2014 ≈ 6th grade
9v9 = U11 = ≤ 8/1/2015 ≈ 5th grade
9v9 = U10 = ≤ 8/1/2016 ≈ 4th grade
7v7 = U9 = ≤ 8/1/2017 ≈ 3rd grade
7v7 = U8 = ≤ 8/1/2018 ≈ 2nd grade
4v4 = U7 = ≤ 8/1/2019 ≈ 1st grade
4v4 = U6 = ≤ 8/1/2020 ≈ Kindergarten
Age guy doesnt understand math
Using U14 as an example what this is saying is...
Age guy doesnt understand math
1. They play 11v11
2. Players turn 14 after Aug 1
3. Players are younger than or equal to 8/1/2012
4. Players are most likely in 8th grade

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone would do better at communication if they learned about the ladder of abstraction. Google it!

This isnt the issue.

The issue us that age guy wants older players to play down against younger ones. When you add grade to US Soccers eligibility matrix it makes it impossible for him to try and sneak in playing down.

Even more of an issue to age guys play down agenda is if Aug birthdays play on their correct grade in school team. This is because when Aug birthdays play on their correct grade in school team everyone on the field is the same graduating year. (except holdbacks) Which ultimately is what college coaches want when recruiting/scouting players.

Now, you're arguing for grade year (which I know what you really don't want) But here you are AGAIN, because you want to placate college coaches.

100% School Year aka SY

Aug birthdays playing on their grade in school team is 100% allowed by the rules and has nothing to do with Grade Year aka GY

It's on 100 perfect allowed to only have one youth age group but that isn't happening either.

No team in DMV is forcing kids to play up and no team is offering parents to choose playing up. Therefore this argument is academic, aka pointless.

Dont be so sure about that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone would do better at communication if they learned about the ladder of abstraction. Google it!

This isnt the issue.

The issue us that age guy wants older players to play down against younger ones. When you add grade to US Soccers eligibility matrix it makes it impossible for him to try and sneak in playing down.

Even more of an issue to age guys play down agenda is if Aug birthdays play on their correct grade in school team. This is because when Aug birthdays play on their correct grade in school team everyone on the field is the same graduating year. (except holdbacks) Which ultimately is what college coaches want when recruiting/scouting players.

Now, you're arguing for grade year (which I know what you really don't want) But here you are AGAIN, because you want to placate college coaches.

100% School Year aka SY

Aug birthdays playing on their grade in school team is 100% allowed by the rules and has nothing to do with Grade Year aka GY

It's on 100 perfect allowed to only have one youth age group but that isn't happening either.

No team in DMV is forcing kids to play up and no team is offering parents to choose playing up. Therefore this argument is academic, aka pointless.

Dont be so sure about that.

Exactly, is there some DMV coach/club cabal to not allow Aug birthdays to play on their correct grade in school team?

It wouldn't make sense to have a rule like that if your best players wanted to play on their correct grade in school team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone would do better at communication if they learned about the ladder of abstraction. Google it!

This isnt the issue.

The issue us that age guy wants older players to play down against younger ones. When you add grade to US Soccers eligibility matrix it makes it impossible for him to try and sneak in playing down.

Even more of an issue to age guys play down agenda is if Aug birthdays play on their correct grade in school team. This is because when Aug birthdays play on their correct grade in school team everyone on the field is the same graduating year. (except holdbacks) Which ultimately is what college coaches want when recruiting/scouting players.

Now, you're arguing for grade year (which I know what you really don't want) But here you are AGAIN, because you want to placate college coaches.

100% School Year aka SY

Aug birthdays playing on their grade in school team is 100% allowed by the rules and has nothing to do with Grade Year aka GY

It's on 100 perfect allowed to only have one youth age group but that isn't happening either.

No team in DMV is forcing kids to play up and no team is offering parents to choose playing up. Therefore this argument is academic, aka pointless.

Dont be so sure about that.

Name on DC are club that allows players to choose to play up ? If you can't, your argument to for e grade year is pointless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone would do better at communication if they learned about the ladder of abstraction. Google it!

This isnt the issue.

The issue us that age guy wants older players to play down against younger ones. When you add grade to US Soccers eligibility matrix it makes it impossible for him to try and sneak in playing down.

Even more of an issue to age guys play down agenda is if Aug birthdays play on their correct grade in school team. This is because when Aug birthdays play on their correct grade in school team everyone on the field is the same graduating year. (except holdbacks) Which ultimately is what college coaches want when recruiting/scouting players.

Now, you're arguing for grade year (which I know what you really don't want) But here you are AGAIN, because you want to placate college coaches.

100% School Year aka SY

Aug birthdays playing on their grade in school team is 100% allowed by the rules and has nothing to do with Grade Year aka GY

BUT your argument for it is based on what college coaches want. Take that to its conclusion means just do GY. Force kids to play up and you simply disadvantage most of them sending them to the bench/less playing time.

Nope college coaches will get 99.9% of what they want if Aug birthdays play on their grade in school team.

Holdbacks aka cheaters can play on a team their age allows. They are also free to attend college id camps. They're not going to pad their stats playing against younger players.

Except August kids playing on age with kids a grade below were no holdbacks. Science and stats say it increases their chances to play in college on age in youth soccer as the oldest vs playing up as the youngest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone would do better at communication if they learned about the ladder of abstraction. Google it!

This isnt the issue.

The issue us that age guy wants older players to play down against younger ones. When you add grade to US Soccers eligibility matrix it makes it impossible for him to try and sneak in playing down.

Even more of an issue to age guys play down agenda is if Aug birthdays play on their correct grade in school team. This is because when Aug birthdays play on their correct grade in school team everyone on the field is the same graduating year. (except holdbacks) Which ultimately is what college coaches want when recruiting/scouting players.

Now, you're arguing for grade year (which I know what you really don't want) But here you are AGAIN, because you want to placate college coaches.

100% School Year aka SY

Aug birthdays playing on their grade in school team is 100% allowed by the rules and has nothing to do with Grade Year aka GY

It's on 100 perfect allowed to only have one youth age group but that isn't happening either.

No team in DMV is forcing kids to play up and no team is offering parents to choose playing up. Therefore this argument is academic, aka pointless.

Dont be so sure about that.

Name on DC are club that allows players to choose to play up ? If you can't, your argument to for e grade year is pointless.

How about I provide links to team rosters for this fall once they're available. That way you can see the coincidence of all players with the same graduating year.

If I provide a club name you'll just say "no they're not" so its pointless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone would do better at communication if they learned about the ladder of abstraction. Google it!

This isnt the issue.

The issue us that age guy wants older players to play down against younger ones. When you add grade to US Soccers eligibility matrix it makes it impossible for him to try and sneak in playing down.

Even more of an issue to age guys play down agenda is if Aug birthdays play on their correct grade in school team. This is because when Aug birthdays play on their correct grade in school team everyone on the field is the same graduating year. (except holdbacks) Which ultimately is what college coaches want when recruiting/scouting players.

Adding grade doesn't change the fact that nobody can play down and grade isn't binding for any age group. Meaning any grade is 100 percent allowed to play in any age group as long as their DOB fits.

Making things easier for college coaches is not the same as something being in the best interest of each individual player.

Correct, which is why I said "most likely X grade" on my matrix. You cant list a bunch of grades that might be an age group because any grade can be in that age group.

College coaches drive club soccer when players get to HS. Like it or hate it. Which is why everyone caters to them when players are older. They are the glue that keeps parents paying club fees. If college coaches scouted HS soccer games nobody would pay for club soccer for olders.

I don't agree BUT another argument for full GY.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone would do better at communication if they learned about the ladder of abstraction. Google it!

This isnt the issue.

The issue us that age guy wants older players to play down against younger ones. When you add grade to US Soccers eligibility matrix it makes it impossible for him to try and sneak in playing down.

Even more of an issue to age guys play down agenda is if Aug birthdays play on their correct grade in school team. This is because when Aug birthdays play on their correct grade in school team everyone on the field is the same graduating year. (except holdbacks) Which ultimately is what college coaches want when recruiting/scouting players.

Now, you're arguing for grade year (which I know what you really don't want) But here you are AGAIN, because you want to placate college coaches.

100% School Year aka SY

Aug birthdays playing on their grade in school team is 100% allowed by the rules and has nothing to do with Grade Year aka GY

BUT your argument for it is based on what college coaches want. Take that to its conclusion means just do GY. Force kids to play up and you simply disadvantage most of them sending them to the bench/less playing time.

Nope college coaches will get 99.9% of what they want if Aug birthdays play on their grade in school team.

Holdbacks aka cheaters can play on a team their age allows. They are also free to attend college id camps. They're not going to pad their stats playing against younger players.

No, just go full GY. No cheaters. Just reality, because that's what you face IF you get to college, anyway, along with internationals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone would do better at communication if they learned about the ladder of abstraction. Google it!

This isnt the issue.

The issue us that age guy wants older players to play down against younger ones. When you add grade to US Soccers eligibility matrix it makes it impossible for him to try and sneak in playing down.

Even more of an issue to age guys play down agenda is if Aug birthdays play on their correct grade in school team. This is because when Aug birthdays play on their correct grade in school team everyone on the field is the same graduating year. (except holdbacks) Which ultimately is what college coaches want when recruiting/scouting players.

Now, you're arguing for grade year (which I know what you really don't want) But here you are AGAIN, because you want to placate college coaches.

100% School Year aka SY

Aug birthdays playing on their grade in school team is 100% allowed by the rules and has nothing to do with Grade Year aka GY

It's on 100 perfect allowed to only have one youth age group but that isn't happening either.

No team in DMV is forcing kids to play up and no team is offering parents to choose playing up. Therefore this argument is academic, aka pointless.

Dont be so sure about that.

Name on DC are club that allows players to choose to play up ? If you can't, your argument to for e grade year is pointless.

How about I provide links to team rosters for this fall once they're available. That way you can see the coincidence of all players with the same graduating year.

If I provide a club name you'll just say "no they're not" so its pointless.

Those lists are just for ECNL aren't even accurate now and some players leave it blank. So the vast majority of clubs don't have public rosters with grade at all. In the end you'll share ones that are GY and your opponents will share those that aren't. That will only prove that in the end it remains case-by-case -- just like last time (5% Skye Eddy parent advocate said at the time) and will follow with what many clubs SAY they are doing (like ECNL dude).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone would do better at communication if they learned about the ladder of abstraction. Google it!

This isnt the issue.

The issue us that age guy wants older players to play down against younger ones. When you add grade to US Soccers eligibility matrix it makes it impossible for him to try and sneak in playing down.

Even more of an issue to age guys play down agenda is if Aug birthdays play on their correct grade in school team. This is because when Aug birthdays play on their correct grade in school team everyone on the field is the same graduating year. (except holdbacks) Which ultimately is what college coaches want when recruiting/scouting players.

And by forcing kids to play up, you ALSO disadvantage MOST of them (a few will rise anyway). So, all you are is asking for special treatment for kids who remain playing on age.

This disadvantagimg them cuts their chances by playing in college by probably about half while doubling their chances of quitting. ECNL Guy has got it figured out.

Stinks to be a June or July birth in soccer now not August.

Right ... savvy parents of aug bdays should take advantage of the rules. If they buy completely into what Aug grade guy says, they're only hurt their chances.