UVA student missing

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are many defense attorney in criminal cases who never ask the defendant whether he/she committed the crime. They cannot ethically be aware of some fact and then let the defendant lie about it in court.

Our system of justice requires a defendant to be afforded counsel against the government that often has a lot more in the way of resources. Many defendants, including innocent people, don't receive competent representation especially when they have to rely on public defenders - not a knock on public defenders because they are often over-burdened with very limited resources.

But they still can have an opinion about whether the defendant has indeed committed the crime?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am the OP who started this thread. Sorry for the initial misspelling of the word missing. I have college-aged kids both in Virginia schools. I have watched the conversation on this thread morph over the last two weeks and it's been really interesting. I think one thing that really bothers me is the lack of conversation around how friends should take care of friends. Somebody earlier asked if we would be showing the videos to our kids. The answer to that for me is absolutely. But, they have likely already watched.. The bigger conversation is around being responsible for your friends. Figure out a way to make sure everyone comes home safely. Because honestly we're not going to change college kids' behavior on this thread. The best thing we can do is work to protect and educate our kids. You know there is a group of young women and men who will never forget what they did or didn't do to protect Hannah the night she disappeared. Ditto for other college disappearances and murders.

For me the conversation I am have with my children is why you do not allow yourself to get in a situation where you could become vulnerable. Walking alone at night + Impaired by alcohol + Lost with a cell phone and not calling a cab or anyone from a public area. Not blaming the victim, just having a conversation about empowering yourself to become a victim.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am the OP who started this thread. Sorry for the initial misspelling of the word missing. I have college-aged kids both in Virginia schools. I have watched the conversation on this thread morph over the last two weeks and it's been really interesting. I think one thing that really bothers me is the lack of conversation around how friends should take care of friends. Somebody earlier asked if we would be showing the videos to our kids. The answer to that for me is absolutely. But, they have likely already watched.. The bigger conversation is around being responsible for your friends. Figure out a way to make sure everyone comes home safely. Because honestly we're not going to change college kids' behavior on this thread. The best thing we can do is work to protect and educate our kids. You know there is a group of young women and men who will never forget what they did or didn't do to protect Hannah the night she disappeared. Ditto for other college disappearances and murders.

For me the conversation I am have with my children is why you do not allow yourself to get in a situation where you could become vulnerable. Walking alone at night + Impaired by alcohol + Lost with a cell phone and not calling a cab or anyone from a public area. Not blaming the victim, just having a conversation about empowering yourself to become a victim.

For me the conversation I am have with my children is why you do not allow yourself to get in a situation where you could become vulnerable. Walking alone at night + Impaired by alcohol + Lost with a cell phone and not calling a cab or anyone from a public area. Not blaming the victim, just having a conversation about empowering yourself to NOT become a victim. opps big error

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Apparently Matthew was kicked out of Liberty University after a rape allegation.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2767276/Jesse-Matthew-charged-abduction-Hannah-Graham-expelled-Liberty-University-girl-claimed-raped-campus.html

There was not enough evidence to press a criminal rape charge but enough evidence for Liberty to kick him off the football team and remove him from the university.

That makes you feel better when you consider he later was driving a cab for a while and then moving patients under anesthetic around a hospital.

Yeah, I've been thinking about those jobs too. I was especially surprised that he was able to get hired at the hospital with what news reports are saying is a pretty lengthy rap sheet.

really? I thought it was just trespassing?

Maybe I'm not reading the most well verified sources, but I read that there was an theft and assault charge too (doesn't like that seem like enough?) plus traffic stuff (not such a big deal unless it was really reckless driving, which would suggest a temperament ill-suited for high-trust positions among sedated patients). I feel like there was more but I'm too lazy to go back and check. Anyway, point being, I'm surprised a hospital hiring for a patient-facing position would hire someone with ANY criminal background. But what do I know; maybe it's common.

[Anonymous]

^^Having raised five children who completed college, I will tell you that all the advice in the world will not make much difference. Kids being kids will do their own thing like I did when I was their age.

Four of the five kids did just great and one ended up with issues. Every time I read about one of these tragedies, the thought that passes my mind is it could have been one of mine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Apparently Matthew was kicked out of Liberty University after a rape allegation.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2767276/Jesse-Matthew-charged-abduction-Hannah-Graham-expelled-Liberty-University-girl-claimed-raped-campus.html

There was not enough evidence to press a criminal rape charge but enough evidence for Liberty to kick him off the football team and remove him from the university.

That makes you feel better when you consider he later was driving a cab for a while and then moving patients under anesthetic around a hospital.

Yeah, I've been thinking about those jobs too. I was especially surprised that he was able to get hired at the hospital with what news reports are saying is a pretty lengthy rap sheet.

really? I thought it was just trespassing?

Maybe I'm not reading the most well verified sources, but I read that there was an theft and assault charge too (doesn't like that seem like enough?) plus traffic stuff (not such a big deal unless it was really reckless driving, which would suggest a temperament ill-suited for high-trust positions among sedated patients). I feel like there was more but I'm too lazy to go back and check. Anyway, point being, I'm surprised a hospital hiring for a patient-facing position would hire someone with ANY criminal background. But what do I know; maybe it's common.

I was wondering the same thing. I also read that he was hired as a patient transporter but was soon reassigned to a position with increased responsibilities - setting up ORs, etc.

[Anonymous]

To earlier poster, great idea to teach your kids about not becoming a victim. I believe that too. But it's also important to teach social responsibility. Meaning taking care of other people. I'm not advocating drinking, walking alone, bad behavior. But when you have some friends out doing things that college aged kids do, try to take care your friends. This isn't a single lesson opportunity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Apparently Matthew was kicked out of Liberty University after a rape allegation.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2767276/Jesse-Matthew-charged-abduction-Hannah-Graham-expelled-Liberty-University-girl-claimed-raped-campus.html

There was not enough evidence to press a criminal rape charge but enough evidence for Liberty to kick him off the football team and remove him from the university.

That makes you feel better when you consider he later was driving a cab for a while and then moving patients under anesthetic around a hospital.

+1000 WTF

[Anonymous]

Something does not add up. This guy supposedly was able to hide a person or body that thousands can find no trace of but when he fled he left his noticeable hair the same, remained with the car the police were looking for, and pitched a tent in what seems like plain view? Makes no sense. It's like he just wanted out of town but wasn't really hiding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Something does not add up. This guy supposedly was able to hide a person or body that thousands can find no trace of but when he fled he left his noticeable hair the same, remained with the car the police were looking for, and pitched a tent in what seems like plain view? Makes no sense. It's like he just wanted out of town but wasn't really hiding.

you forgot to add ... with his unicorn.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Something does not add up. This guy supposedly was able to hide a person or body that thousands can find no trace of but when he fled he left his noticeable hair the same, remained with the car the police were looking for, and pitched a tent in what seems like plain view? Makes no sense. It's like he just wanted out of town but wasn't really hiding.

I would imagine that he was focused on getting to the border as quick as he could. It would be hard to cut his hair while driving and he probably underestimated just how national this news had become. When he bolted from town he hadn't been charged with anything, forensics hadn't come back - he was just putting as much distance between himself and the troubles back home as he could.

[Anonymous]

Also - I doubt he had access to a selection of get away cars. He was in the same car because that is the car he had. And he did not believe that there were any warrants out for his arrest. He was getting while the getting was good.

[Anonymous]

Press conf. at 3:00 today. Perhaps some forensic info or maybe they found HG.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Press conf. at 3:00 today. Perhaps some forensic info or maybe they found HG.

Or extradition news

[Anonymous]

http://www.loudountimes.com/news/article/a_reminder_the_threat_is_real564

"The threat is real": Written by a UVA student from Northern Virginia