NYT and WaPo report Biden is close to stepping down

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Clinton / AOC would be an interesting ticket.

Funny how Bill and Hill are just about the last establishment dems who still want Joe to stay put.

I am trying to figure out what their angle is and I cannot.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Clinton / AOC would be an interesting ticket.

Funny how Bill and Hill are just about the last establishment dems who still want Joe to stay put.

I am trying to figure out what their angle is and I cannot.

Bill is lost to senility now. Hilary has never had good political instincts, she won't start now.

[Anonymous]

“Organic groundswell”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Joe’s not getting out. He is too arrogant and Jill doesn’t want him to. Neither does the smartest guy Joe knows - Hunter.

We get to sit back and watch him decline further in the next 6 months.

^ Look at this loony poster, who pretends to know what conversations are happening between Jill and Joe at the Biden's breakfast table.

I’m not participating in this revolt. I voted for Biden in the primary and I expect my vote to be honored. A switch at this point would be an attack on democracy.

You are really obsessed with posting here. Real Democrats understand that
1. Their options were limited in the primary thanks to Biden
2. Biden stepping down because of his health is not "an attack on democracy" don't be daft

I'm a new poster. I'm also an independent. Personally, I took find it maddening to be lectured on democracy by a party that is throwing out its own elections.

The notion that Biden's health changed dramatically between the primaries and the debate is unlikely.

The notion that the primaries were somehow not "real" because Biden was an incumbent is also not true. RFK tried to challenge Biden, and the Democratic Party sidelined him.

DP here.

It's true that Biden, who has been declining for a couple of years now, has had a precipitous decline since Spring 2024. It's more likely caused by a series of mini-strokes than Parkinson's or Alzheimer's disease, given what we know of his symptoms, although of course no one can definitely answer, not even his doctor. Why? Because these diseases are usually confirmed AFTER symptoms have become debilitating, unfortunately. There are ways of imaging the brain to look for the vascular injuries due to strokes and mini-strokes, but he probably didn't have that done (it would mean a visit to Walter Reed). Mini-strokes are not visible to the naked eye. It's not like you fall over and become paralyzed down one side of your face and need hospitalization. You may have a peculiar headache for a bit, but that's it - you're walking and talking throughout.

The comments about elections and democracy are just not grounded in reality. In a perfect world, sure, we'd have time for elections and primaries and voters would be consulted all the time. But in this world? No, it doesn't, and has never, worked like that. In any country. Due to inertia, no Democrat except the incumbent had a chance in the Dem primary. Biden should never have sought relection, that's for sure. So here Democrats are, in a mess of their own making, and Harris is the only candidate who has a glimmer of a chance of hoisting them out of this mess.

I'm the poster you're responding to. I'm not entirely sure I know what you mean when you say that the comments about elections and democracy are not rooted in reality, but I take your point to be that there is an obvious difference between a primary election where the incumbent is running and a "real" election. If that's right, it illustrates my concern. The primaries happened. You can't go around saying that some elections are okay to ignore because no one thought they were real in the first place.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Joe’s not getting out. He is too arrogant and Jill doesn’t want him to. Neither does the smartest guy Joe knows - Hunter.

We get to sit back and watch him decline further in the next 6 months.

^ Look at this loony poster, who pretends to know what conversations are happening between Jill and Joe at the Biden's breakfast table.

I’m not participating in this revolt. I voted for Biden in the primary and I expect my vote to be honored. A switch at this point would be an attack on democracy.

You are really obsessed with posting here. Real Democrats understand that
1. Their options were limited in the primary thanks to Biden
2. Biden stepping down because of his health is not "an attack on democracy" don't be daft

I'm a new poster. I'm also an independent. Personally, I took find it maddening to be lectured on democracy by a party that is throwing out its own elections.

The notion that Biden's health changed dramatically between the primaries and the debate is unlikely.

The notion that the primaries were somehow not "real" because Biden was an incumbent is also not true. RFK tried to challenge Biden, and the Democratic Party sidelined him.

RFK is a spoiler candidate paid by Trump and the GOP. Why should the Democrats have let him run in their primary? Dean Phillips did. He got nowhere, and he’s an actual Democrat.

Because maybe people would have liked to vote for him.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Clinton / AOC would be an interesting ticket.

Funny how Bill and Hill are just about the last establishment dems who still want Joe to stay put.

I am trying to figure out what their angle is and I cannot.

Bill is lost to senility now. Hilary has never had good political instincts, she won't start now.

Plus, she has really let herself go.

She looked good in 2020….but sadly physical appearance matters, like it or not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Joe’s not getting out. He is too arrogant and Jill doesn’t want him to. Neither does the smartest guy Joe knows - Hunter.

We get to sit back and watch him decline further in the next 6 months.

^ Look at this loony poster, who pretends to know what conversations are happening between Jill and Joe at the Biden's breakfast table.

I’m not participating in this revolt. I voted for Biden in the primary and I expect my vote to be honored. A switch at this point would be an attack on democracy.

You are really obsessed with posting here. Real Democrats understand that
1. Their options were limited in the primary thanks to Biden
2. Biden stepping down because of his health is not "an attack on democracy" don't be daft

I'm a new poster. I'm also an independent. Personally, I took find it maddening to be lectured on democracy by a party that is throwing out its own elections.

The notion that Biden's health changed dramatically between the primaries and the debate is unlikely.

The notion that the primaries were somehow not "real" because Biden was an incumbent is also not true. RFK tried to challenge Biden, and the Democratic Party sidelined him.

DP here.

It's true that Biden, who has been declining for a couple of years now, has had a precipitous decline since Spring 2024. It's more likely caused by a series of mini-strokes than Parkinson's or Alzheimer's disease, given what we know of his symptoms, although of course no one can definitely answer, not even his doctor. Why? Because these diseases are usually confirmed AFTER symptoms have become debilitating, unfortunately. There are ways of imaging the brain to look for the vascular injuries due to strokes and mini-strokes, but he probably didn't have that done (it would mean a visit to Walter Reed). Mini-strokes are not visible to the naked eye. It's not like you fall over and become paralyzed down one side of your face and need hospitalization. You may have a peculiar headache for a bit, but that's it - you're walking and talking throughout.

The comments about elections and democracy are just not grounded in reality. In a perfect world, sure, we'd have time for elections and primaries and voters would be consulted all the time. But in this world? No, it doesn't, and has never, worked like that. In any country. Due to inertia, no Democrat except the incumbent had a chance in the Dem primary. Biden should never have sought relection, that's for sure. So here Democrats are, in a mess of their own making, and Harris is the only candidate who has a glimmer of a chance of hoisting them out of this mess.

You completely lose me with the last sentence. Whatever is going on with Biden, Harris is NOT a better candidate than he is. Polls are clear on this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Joe’s not getting out. He is too arrogant and Jill doesn’t want him to. Neither does the smartest guy Joe knows - Hunter.

We get to sit back and watch him decline further in the next 6 months.

^ Look at this loony poster, who pretends to know what conversations are happening between Jill and Joe at the Biden's breakfast table.

I’m not participating in this revolt. I voted for Biden in the primary and I expect my vote to be honored. A switch at this point would be an attack on democracy.

You are really obsessed with posting here. Real Democrats understand that
1. Their options were limited in the primary thanks to Biden
2. Biden stepping down because of his health is not "an attack on democracy" don't be daft

I'm a new poster. I'm also an independent. Personally, I took find it maddening to be lectured on democracy by a party that is throwing out its own elections.

The notion that Biden's health changed dramatically between the primaries and the debate is unlikely.

The notion that the primaries were somehow not "real" because Biden was an incumbent is also not true. RFK tried to challenge Biden, and the Democratic Party sidelined him.

DP here.

It's true that Biden, who has been declining for a couple of years now, has had a precipitous decline since Spring 2024. It's more likely caused by a series of mini-strokes than Parkinson's or Alzheimer's disease, given what we know of his symptoms, although of course no one can definitely answer, not even his doctor. Why? Because these diseases are usually confirmed AFTER symptoms have become debilitating, unfortunately. There are ways of imaging the brain to look for the vascular injuries due to strokes and mini-strokes, but he probably didn't have that done (it would mean a visit to Walter Reed). Mini-strokes are not visible to the naked eye. It's not like you fall over and become paralyzed down one side of your face and need hospitalization. You may have a peculiar headache for a bit, but that's it - you're walking and talking throughout.

The comments about elections and democracy are just not grounded in reality. In a perfect world, sure, we'd have time for elections and primaries and voters would be consulted all the time. But in this world? No, it doesn't, and has never, worked like that. In any country. Due to inertia, no Democrat except the incumbent had a chance in the Dem primary. Biden should never have sought relection, that's for sure. So here Democrats are, in a mess of their own making, and Harris is the only candidate who has a glimmer of a chance of hoisting them out of this mess.

You completely lose me with the last sentence. Whatever is going on with Biden, Harris is NOT a better candidate than he is. Polls are clear on this.

Since she is not incapacitated, she is a better candidate than Biden.

Have some integrity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Joe’s not getting out. He is too arrogant and Jill doesn’t want him to. Neither does the smartest guy Joe knows - Hunter.

We get to sit back and watch him decline further in the next 6 months.

^ Look at this loony poster, who pretends to know what conversations are happening between Jill and Joe at the Biden's breakfast table.

I’m not participating in this revolt. I voted for Biden in the primary and I expect my vote to be honored. A switch at this point would be an attack on democracy.

You are really obsessed with posting here. Real Democrats understand that
1. Their options were limited in the primary thanks to Biden
2. Biden stepping down because of his health is not "an attack on democracy" don't be daft

I'm a new poster. I'm also an independent. Personally, I took find it maddening to be lectured on democracy by a party that is throwing out its own elections.

The notion that Biden's health changed dramatically between the primaries and the debate is unlikely.

The notion that the primaries were somehow not "real" because Biden was an incumbent is also not true. RFK tried to challenge Biden, and the Democratic Party sidelined him.

DP here.

It's true that Biden, who has been declining for a couple of years now, has had a precipitous decline since Spring 2024. It's more likely caused by a series of mini-strokes than Parkinson's or Alzheimer's disease, given what we know of his symptoms, although of course no one can definitely answer, not even his doctor. Why? Because these diseases are usually confirmed AFTER symptoms have become debilitating, unfortunately. There are ways of imaging the brain to look for the vascular injuries due to strokes and mini-strokes, but he probably didn't have that done (it would mean a visit to Walter Reed). Mini-strokes are not visible to the naked eye. It's not like you fall over and become paralyzed down one side of your face and need hospitalization. You may have a peculiar headache for a bit, but that's it - you're walking and talking throughout.

The comments about elections and democracy are just not grounded in reality. In a perfect world, sure, we'd have time for elections and primaries and voters would be consulted all the time. But in this world? No, it doesn't, and has never, worked like that. In any country. Due to inertia, no Democrat except the incumbent had a chance in the Dem primary. Biden should never have sought relection, that's for sure. So here Democrats are, in a mess of their own making, and Harris is the only candidate who has a glimmer of a chance of hoisting them out of this mess.

You completely lose me with the last sentence. Whatever is going on with Biden, Harris is NOT a better candidate than he is. Polls are clear on this.

Since she is not incapacitated, she is a better candidate than Biden.

Have some integrity.

“Vote for Kamala. She’s not incapacitated.”

Sounds like a winning slogan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Joe’s not getting out. He is too arrogant and Jill doesn’t want him to. Neither does the smartest guy Joe knows - Hunter.

We get to sit back and watch him decline further in the next 6 months.

^ Look at this loony poster, who pretends to know what conversations are happening between Jill and Joe at the Biden's breakfast table.

I’m not participating in this revolt. I voted for Biden in the primary and I expect my vote to be honored. A switch at this point would be an attack on democracy.

You are really obsessed with posting here. Real Democrats understand that
1. Their options were limited in the primary thanks to Biden
2. Biden stepping down because of his health is not "an attack on democracy" don't be daft

I'm a new poster. I'm also an independent. Personally, I took find it maddening to be lectured on democracy by a party that is throwing out its own elections.

The notion that Biden's health changed dramatically between the primaries and the debate is unlikely.

The notion that the primaries were somehow not "real" because Biden was an incumbent is also not true. RFK tried to challenge Biden, and the Democratic Party sidelined him.

DP here.

It's true that Biden, who has been declining for a couple of years now, has had a precipitous decline since Spring 2024. It's more likely caused by a series of mini-strokes than Parkinson's or Alzheimer's disease, given what we know of his symptoms, although of course no one can definitely answer, not even his doctor. Why? Because these diseases are usually confirmed AFTER symptoms have become debilitating, unfortunately. There are ways of imaging the brain to look for the vascular injuries due to strokes and mini-strokes, but he probably didn't have that done (it would mean a visit to Walter Reed). Mini-strokes are not visible to the naked eye. It's not like you fall over and become paralyzed down one side of your face and need hospitalization. You may have a peculiar headache for a bit, but that's it - you're walking and talking throughout.

The comments about elections and democracy are just not grounded in reality. In a perfect world, sure, we'd have time for elections and primaries and voters would be consulted all the time. But in this world? No, it doesn't, and has never, worked like that. In any country. Due to inertia, no Democrat except the incumbent had a chance in the Dem primary. Biden should never have sought relection, that's for sure. So here Democrats are, in a mess of their own making, and Harris is the only candidate who has a glimmer of a chance of hoisting them out of this mess.

You completely lose me with the last sentence. Whatever is going on with Biden, Harris is NOT a better candidate than he is. Polls are clear on this.

Since she is not incapacitated, she is a better candidate than Biden.

Have some integrity.

I assumed that by hoisting the Democrats out of this mess, you were referring to winning the election.

Is this about putting forward a healthy candidate or is it about winning? Because right now, it looks like Biden has a better chance than Harris. (Personally I think both would lose to Trump).

[Anonymous]

It's a really sad. Biden was the laughing stock at a recent meeting. He passed gas loudly and was so out of it that he turned around and saluted the audience. He looked sad and confused. This is elder abuse. He needs to step down and rest, sleep and eat. There is not much more he can do at this point. He has full on dementia and seems physically weak as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's a really sad. Biden was the laughing stock at a recent meeting. He passed gas loudly and was so out of it that he turned around and saluted the audience. He looked sad and confused. This is elder abuse. He needs to step down and rest, sleep and eat. There is not much more he can do at this point. He has full on dementia and seems physically weak as well.

Source?

[Anonymous]

This has nothing to do with the debates or Biden's "decline" it has everything to do with Clooney exacting revenge on the Biden administration for not going along with the ICC to bring war crimes against Netanyahu.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Joe’s not getting out. He is too arrogant and Jill doesn’t want him to. Neither does the smartest guy Joe knows - Hunter.

We get to sit back and watch him decline further in the next 6 months.

^ Look at this loony poster, who pretends to know what conversations are happening between Jill and Joe at the Biden's breakfast table.

I’m not participating in this revolt. I voted for Biden in the primary and I expect my vote to be honored. A switch at this point would be an attack on democracy.

You are really obsessed with posting here. Real Democrats understand that
1. Their options were limited in the primary thanks to Biden
2. Biden stepping down because of his health is not "an attack on democracy" don't be daft

I'm a new poster. I'm also an independent. Personally, I took find it maddening to be lectured on democracy by a party that is throwing out its own elections.

The notion that Biden's health changed dramatically between the primaries and the debate is unlikely.

The notion that the primaries were somehow not "real" because Biden was an incumbent is also not true. RFK tried to challenge Biden, and the Democratic Party sidelined him.

DP here.

It's true that Biden, who has been declining for a couple of years now, has had a precipitous decline since Spring 2024. It's more likely caused by a series of mini-strokes than Parkinson's or Alzheimer's disease, given what we know of his symptoms, although of course no one can definitely answer, not even his doctor. Why? Because these diseases are usually confirmed AFTER symptoms have become debilitating, unfortunately. There are ways of imaging the brain to look for the vascular injuries due to strokes and mini-strokes, but he probably didn't have that done (it would mean a visit to Walter Reed). Mini-strokes are not visible to the naked eye. It's not like you fall over and become paralyzed down one side of your face and need hospitalization. You may have a peculiar headache for a bit, but that's it - you're walking and talking throughout.

The comments about elections and democracy are just not grounded in reality. In a perfect world, sure, we'd have time for elections and primaries and voters would be consulted all the time. But in this world? No, it doesn't, and has never, worked like that. In any country. Due to inertia, no Democrat except the incumbent had a chance in the Dem primary. Biden should never have sought relection, that's for sure. So here Democrats are, in a mess of their own making, and Harris is the only candidate who has a glimmer of a chance of hoisting them out of this mess.

You completely lose me with the last sentence. Whatever is going on with Biden, Harris is NOT a better candidate than he is. Polls are clear on this.

Since she is not incapacitated, she is a better candidate than Biden.

Have some integrity.

“Vote for Kamala. She’s not incapacitated.”

Sounds like a winning slogan.

She is not an unknown. She does not come across well but her history, her abilities are reassuring.

She does not seem to have, or is unwilling to state, a vision and a plan for the future, but neither do Trump or Biden.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This has nothing to do with the debates or Biden's "decline" it has everything to do with Clooney exacting revenge on the Biden administration for not going along with the ICC to bring war crimes against Netanyahu.

This one is interesting. I like it. Keep going with your fan fic.