Looks like a new Gaza war has started

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone ever question this idea of “driven from their homes and land” and just rhetoric when they are literally still living on the same land. They got driven from New Jersey to Pennsylvania basically. Then orders are only state drawn like every border in the world. Every single country in the world was created by displacing the original people who lived there or absorbing them. The British btw absorbed and expelled into and from israel the people who were living there on farms. They could have created states and made Israel bigger by now. If only.

So if your home and land was taken from you with no compensation, and then you were forced to flee to a neighboring state where you were locked in and couldn’t get out and had no job, you’d be cool with that? No biggie right?

Ask yourself why the many Arab nations haven’t stepped in to welcome their Muslim brothers and sisters into their countries. There’s a reason. Speaks volumes about Arabs and Muslims: Palestinians and the neighboring and farther flung Arab nations.

It’s a real shame the Middle East never evolved to a tolerant melting pot like the US. Had they evolved beyond religious extremism and ethnic divide the region would be safer and more prosperous.

Their rigid cultural norms have held them back. Too bad we can’t flip a switch and help them evolve.

I see this argument every now and then, that the neighboring nations must welcome palestinians because they practice the same religion.
Palestinians don’t all want to leave
Just because someone in another country has your religion doesn’t mean you owe them something

I think we all know that the palestinians are not going to disappear. Israel has to accept that

Expelling legal inhabitants into settlements just because they don’t practice your religion is not the way forward

Gaza has 500 dead and 2000 wounded. Electricity and supply of goods is halted
They will starve, but I do not know if they would be able to give much resistence anyway

You are misinformed. Arabs and Muslims make up a sizeable minority within Israel and live peacefully with everyone else.

What? lol no they don’t and they are not treated the way Jewish citizens are. Enough with the equal rights bs.

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Anonymous wrote:Holy crap Hamas propaganda game is insane right:

Launching of the powered parachute fleet attack:
https://x.com/randomname95379/status/1710916853605048808?s=20

Kidnapped Israeli children held in cages in Gaza 🤮
https://x.com/randomname95379/status/1710994168041054576?s=20

Babies in dog cages.

Hamas kidnapped babies and are holding them in cages.

Indefensible.

Anyone who claims this is justified loses all credibility.

Oh, I’m positive the “both sides” moron a few posts up from you will be along soon to claim caging toddlers is totally fine because “both sides” yet will oddly have no videos or evidence of Israelis caging toddlers like that.

You know why we have all these videos? Because the Palestinians share them. They are proud of them. These all come from Palestinian Telegram channels, with the intent of sharing them widely. This is something that is promoted as a positive.

But “both sides” morons can’t admit their ignorance so will be along soon to show off more of their ignorance. “Both sides” mumble mumble.

People use “both sides” talks because it allows them to feel justified in taking no action.

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Anonymous wrote:It's so interesting that CNN and Co. keep interviewing Israeli military, politicians, academics, regular folk etc. but there hasn't been a single voice to articulate a Palestinian perspective. like not one. This is not journalism. Say what you want about Al Jazeera, they obviously have a pro Palestinian slant but at least they always invite an Israeli voice along with a Palestinian perspective.

#NotJournalism.

I can’t imagine any good Palestinian person volunteering to go on cnn to defend the Hamas attack or engage in whataboutism to justify an act of terror. And cnn obviously won’t bring Hamas sympathizers on tv. And why should they?

This is indefensible.

I think you might want to distinguish the past human rights abuses, land grab, etc. from what Hamas just did. They kidnapped women and children. They slaughtered a German tourist. Separate the past from the present and get on the right side of history.

The past IS the present. The past is happening. It never stopped. Israel doesn't get to say "nothing we did up until this point matters."

Disagree.

Your line of thinking seemingly absolves Bin Laden and the 9/11 terrorists by placing shared responsibility (at best) on the US for prior action in the Middle East. And that’s obviously ridiculous, right?

Here’s what is going to happen: all the Free Palestine people in the US, Europe, and other civilized nations will realize the atrocities committed by Hamas against women and children simply can’t be justified. They’ll quietly retreat. The only people voicing support for Hamas and Palestine will be terrorists: Hezbollah, Taliban, and religious extremists who clearly aren’t defending human rights.

I am sorry to be the one to tell you but the world doesn't feel nearly as much outrage about this as you think.

Just wait until more videos come out. Have you seen the kidnapped civilians? The kids? The young girls?

People will be outraged.

They ARE seeing them, and they're NOT outraged. Every comment section I see under one of these videos is 90% pro-Hamas/anti-Israel.

Are they Arabs? Muslims?

Figures. It’s a numbers game and they are everywhere.

But they don’t wield power…which is why they resort to terror.

Well it's online so I don't know. But all the white people I know are anti-Israel.

Only the ones who watch msnbc

No, pretty much all of them. My peer group is highly educated, very progressive and very self-loathing, and completely buy into the notion that Israel is a white, colonialist, super rich apartheid country.

Your peers are being kind, based on the comments I am reading on the Jerusalem Post I’d call the Israeli Jews savages.

The “savages” are the ones who kidnapped a little boy, and brought him into Gaza. Imagine the night he is having, and hang your head in shame:

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1710811394348552276?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1710811394348552276%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

Don’t care. How many Palestinian boys have been kidnapped, tortured and killed by the IDF? Israel regularly kidnaps children and tortures them in military prisons. You should actually kill yourself for thinking anyone needs to care about dead Israeli settlers. Israelis only understand violence.

Hamas sent their brightest light to engage with us on DCUM tonight?

+1 And it shows the thinking of some of the DCUM posters who post here.

If you're just reading that person's posts now, let me tell you at least several posts where he called us "lying Jews" (maybe also filthy Jews or stinking Jews? I think there were other adjectives) have already been removed.

PP here. I was up late last night and did read them. I responded to none of them but will admit I was shocked (actually, more than shocked and horrified) at the thoughts and ideas I was reading. (Just fyi -- I'm an older DCUM poster, white, Christian living in a large southern city and have many Jewish friends who work in same school system with me).

I reported at least one of those, as well as some profoundly racist anti-Muslim commentary. This is going to be a rough few days for Jeff.

I have in the past been really hard on Jeff for not removing Jew-hating content, but I kind of wish he had left that guy's posts. After all, that guy calling us filthy Jews (or something) just said the quiet part out loud and forgot to substitute "Zionists" at the last minute as per postmodern leftist talking points.

Reporting PP here. I agree that these posts exemplified tendencies of which documentation is a moral and historical imperative, and hope Jeff comments on them in his blog.

I don’t agree with your other line of argument here.

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Do not use tiktok as a source of news

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Anonymous wrote:Nikki Haley says this is an an attack on the USA.

I strongly support Israel but wtf?!? It’s not our war. We support Israel as an ally. Neocon trash.

I’m so sick of the American rightwing trying to make this about us. It’s so f#cking gross to try to recenter an barbaric attack on Israeli civilians on American domestic political point scoring. These people are shameless, craven, power hungry toads. The attacks were still on going and they had more to say about Joe Biden than the Israeli victims.

It’s absurd and so damn egotistical.

+1. Also proves that if 9/11 happens again they would all try to use it to score political points

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Anonymous wrote:Nikki Haley says this is an an attack on the USA.

I strongly support Israel but wtf?!? It’s not our war. We support Israel as an ally. Neocon trash.

I’m so sick of the American rightwing trying to make this about us. It’s so f#cking gross to try to recenter an barbaric attack on Israeli civilians on American domestic political point scoring. These people are shameless, craven, power hungry toads. The attacks were still on going and they had more to say about Joe Biden than the Israeli victims.

It’s absurd and so damn egotistical.

Oh whoa is you. You morons cause these things with your idiotic policies.

Thanks Obama/Hillary for your last dump of money to the PLO and Iran!


U.S. offers $900 million to Palestinians

https://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/02/mideast.clinton/


5 Times the Obama Admin Insisted Cash Was the Only Way to Pay Iran

https://foreignaffairs.house.gov/blog/5-times-obama-admin-insisted-cash-way-pay-iran/

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone ever question this idea of “driven from their homes and land” and just rhetoric when they are literally still living on the same land. They got driven from New Jersey to Pennsylvania basically. Then orders are only state drawn like every border in the world. Every single country in the world was created by displacing the original people who lived there or absorbing them. The British btw absorbed and expelled into and from israel the people who were living there on farms. They could have created states and made Israel bigger by now. If only.

So if your home and land was taken from you with no compensation, and then you were forced to flee to a neighboring state where you were locked in and couldn’t get out and had no job, you’d be cool with that? No biggie right?

Ask yourself why the many Arab nations haven’t stepped in to welcome their Muslim brothers and sisters into their countries. There’s a reason. Speaks volumes about Arabs and Muslims: Palestinians and the neighboring and farther flung Arab nations.

It’s a real shame the Middle East never evolved to a tolerant melting pot like the US. Had they evolved beyond religious extremism and ethnic divide the region would be safer and more prosperous.

Their rigid cultural norms have held them back. Too bad we can’t flip a switch and help them evolve.

I see this argument every now and then, that the neighboring nations must welcome palestinians because they practice the same religion.
Palestinians don’t all want to leave
Just because someone in another country has your religion doesn’t mean you owe them something

I think we all know that the palestinians are not going to disappear. Israel has to accept that

Expelling legal inhabitants into settlements just because they don’t practice your religion is not the way forward

Gaza has 500 dead and 2000 wounded. Electricity and supply of goods is halted
They will starve, but I do not know if they would be able to give much resistence anyway

I think you missed the point.

The point is this will never work because Hamas is a terrorist group whose mission is to destroy Israel and kill Jews. Hamas runs the show over there. They will never coexist peacefully. Never. Decades have proven this. Not gonna happen.

What’s the solution?

Assimilate them into Arab nations.

If America can assimilate Arabs, Africans, and seemingly all Spanish speaking people, then surely the many Arab nations can step up and do their part for the Palestinians.

And if they can’t, that speaks volumes.

Can you please recognize that people who want “death to Israel” can never live in or adjacent to Israel?

I suggest we recognize that those people do live and will live for all eternity next to Israel.
Your suggestion that they will go away will not happen, arab nations is just a euphenism for other foreign nations.

What is your 500 year plan?

Sigh.

I just saw the videos of Israeli babies in cages in Gaza, so any ounce of sympathy I might have had for the plight of the Palestinians just went out the window.

There is no honor in what Hamas is doing. None.

Remember the civil rights movement? African Americans in their Sunday best marching. Peaceful protests. God bless them for maintaining their dignity and engaging in civilized dialogue to move the shameful mountain.

Attacks and kidnappings aren’t noble. Babies in cages can never be justified. JFC.

. Hamas is a terrorist organization sustained by the conditions of the occupation but to hold all of the Palestinians responsible for it makes no sense.

Imagine losing all sympathy for rural white men because too many of them are turning out to be white supremacist terrorists.

I dunno, Gaza is the place that has the most support for Hamas. Plenty of civilians have been shown celebrating. I don’t think there are a lot of dissenters in Gaza.

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Distressing video warning.

Verified video shows the moment attendees of a rave festival in southern Israel on Oct. 7 tried fleeing from oncoming Hamas gunmen. Many from the festival were killed, injured and/or kidnapped by the Islamist militants.

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1711007026749333913

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US weapons left behind in Afghanistan used to attack Israel. A high-ranking Israel Defense Forces (IDF) commander said US weapons left in Afghanistan by the Biden administration were found in the hands of Palestinian groups active in the Gaza Strip.

The chaos that erupted after the US scramble to evacuate Afghanistan as ordered by Biden and the significant amount of weapons and equipment left behind there has now been used to attack Israel a close ally of the USA

Biden is incapable of leadership and a total embarrassment on the world stage!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Nikki Haley says this is an an attack on the USA.

I strongly support Israel but wtf?!? It’s not our war. We support Israel as an ally. Neocon trash.

I’m so sick of the American rightwing trying to make this about us. It’s so f#cking gross to try to recenter an barbaric attack on Israeli civilians on American domestic political point scoring. These people are shameless, craven, power hungry toads. The attacks were still on going and they had more to say about Joe Biden than the Israeli victims.

It’s absurd and so damn egotistical.

Politicians are hungry for publicity and need support from from AIPAC
They are in this game for how it will benefit them

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Anonymous wrote:Holy crap Hamas propaganda game is insane right:

Launching of the powered parachute fleet attack:
https://x.com/randomname95379/status/1710916853605048808?s=20

Kidnapped Israeli children held in cages in Gaza 🤮
https://x.com/randomname95379/status/1710994168041054576?s=20

Babies in dog cages.

Hamas kidnapped babies and are holding them in cages.

Indefensible.

Anyone who claims this is justified loses all credibility.

Oh, I’m positive the “both sides” moron a few posts up from you will be along soon to claim caging toddlers is totally fine because “both sides” yet will oddly have no videos or evidence of Israelis caging toddlers like that.

You know why we have all these videos? Because the Palestinians share them. They are proud of them. These all come from Palestinian Telegram channels, with the intent of sharing them widely. This is something that is promoted as a positive.

But “both sides” morons can’t admit their ignorance so will be along soon to show off more of their ignorance. “Both sides” mumble mumble.

People use “both sides” talks because it allows them to feel justified in taking no action.

It’s their “emotional truth”, totally divorced from reality.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone ever question this idea of “driven from their homes and land” and just rhetoric when they are literally still living on the same land. They got driven from New Jersey to Pennsylvania basically. Then orders are only state drawn like every border in the world. Every single country in the world was created by displacing the original people who lived there or absorbing them. The British btw absorbed and expelled into and from israel the people who were living there on farms. They could have created states and made Israel bigger by now. If only.

So if your home and land was taken from you with no compensation, and then you were forced to flee to a neighboring state where you were locked in and couldn’t get out and had no job, you’d be cool with that? No biggie right?

Ask yourself why the many Arab nations haven’t stepped in to welcome their Muslim brothers and sisters into their countries. There’s a reason. Speaks volumes about Arabs and Muslims: Palestinians and the neighboring and farther flung Arab nations.

It’s a real shame the Middle East never evolved to a tolerant melting pot like the US. Had they evolved beyond religious extremism and ethnic divide the region would be safer and more prosperous.

Their rigid cultural norms have held them back. Too bad we can’t flip a switch and help them evolve.

I see this argument every now and then, that the neighboring nations must welcome palestinians because they practice the same religion.
Palestinians don’t all want to leave
Just because someone in another country has your religion doesn’t mean you owe them something

I think we all know that the palestinians are not going to disappear. Israel has to accept that

Expelling legal inhabitants into settlements just because they don’t practice your religion is not the way forward

Gaza has 500 dead and 2000 wounded. Electricity and supply of goods is halted
They will starve, but I do not know if they would be able to give much resistence anyway

I think you missed the point.

The point is this will never work because Hamas is a terrorist group whose mission is to destroy Israel and kill Jews. Hamas runs the show over there. They will never coexist peacefully. Never. Decades have proven this. Not gonna happen.

What’s the solution?

Assimilate them into Arab nations.

If America can assimilate Arabs, Africans, and seemingly all Spanish speaking people, then surely the many Arab nations can step up and do their part for the Palestinians.

And if they can’t, that speaks volumes.

Can you please recognize that people who want “death to Israel” can never live in or adjacent to Israel?

I suggest we recognize that those people do live and will live for all eternity next to Israel.
Your suggestion that they will go away will not happen, arab nations is just a euphenism for other foreign nations.

What is your 500 year plan?

Sigh.

I just saw the videos of Israeli babies in cages in Gaza, so any ounce of sympathy I might have had for the plight of the Palestinians just went out the window.

There is no honor in what Hamas is doing. None.

Remember the civil rights movement? African Americans in their Sunday best marching. Peaceful protests. God bless them for maintaining their dignity and engaging in civilized dialogue to move the shameful mountain.

Attacks and kidnappings aren’t noble. Babies in cages can never be justified. JFC.

. Hamas is a terrorist organization sustained by the conditions of the occupation but to hold all of the Palestinians responsible for it makes no sense.

Imagine losing all sympathy for rural white men because too many of them are turning out to be white supremacist terrorists.

Are you serious? Plenty of elites in our country have roundly condemned fly over country. Read through DCUM and the scorn that drips. Having just driven cross country, I did not stumble on any small towns with civilians publicly and unabashedly advocating for the torture and murder of other people.

Next time, compare apples to apples.

Hamas is a terrorist organization enjoying wide support from the civilian population of Gaza. At the point where they are murdering people and kidnapping and caging toddlers, I’ve lost my ability to consider justifications.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone ever question this idea of “driven from their homes and land” and just rhetoric when they are literally still living on the same land. They got driven from New Jersey to Pennsylvania basically. Then orders are only state drawn like every border in the world. Every single country in the world was created by displacing the original people who lived there or absorbing them. The British btw absorbed and expelled into and from israel the people who were living there on farms. They could have created states and made Israel bigger by now. If only.

So if your home and land was taken from you with no compensation, and then you were forced to flee to a neighboring state where you were locked in and couldn’t get out and had no job, you’d be cool with that? No biggie right?

Ask yourself why the many Arab nations haven’t stepped in to welcome their Muslim brothers and sisters into their countries. There’s a reason. Speaks volumes about Arabs and Muslims: Palestinians and the neighboring and farther flung Arab nations.

It’s a real shame the Middle East never evolved to a tolerant melting pot like the US. Had they evolved beyond religious extremism and ethnic divide the region would be safer and more prosperous.

Their rigid cultural norms have held them back. Too bad we can’t flip a switch and help them evolve.

I see this argument every now and then, that the neighboring nations must welcome palestinians because they practice the same religion.
Palestinians don’t all want to leave
Just because someone in another country has your religion doesn’t mean you owe them something

I think we all know that the palestinians are not going to disappear. Israel has to accept that

Expelling legal inhabitants into settlements just because they don’t practice your religion is not the way forward

Gaza has 500 dead and 2000 wounded. Electricity and supply of goods is halted
They will starve, but I do not know if they would be able to give much resistence anyway

I think you missed the point.

The point is this will never work because Hamas is a terrorist group whose mission is to destroy Israel and kill Jews. Hamas runs the show over there. They will never coexist peacefully. Never. Decades have proven this. Not gonna happen.

What’s the solution?

Assimilate them into Arab nations.

If America can assimilate Arabs, Africans, and seemingly all Spanish speaking people, then surely the many Arab nations can step up and do their part for the Palestinians.

And if they can’t, that speaks volumes.

Can you please recognize that people who want “death to Israel” can never live in or adjacent to Israel?

I suggest we recognize that those people do live and will live for all eternity next to Israel.
Your suggestion that they will go away will not happen, arab nations is just a euphenism for other foreign nations.

What is your 500 year plan?

Sigh.

I just saw the videos of Israeli babies in cages in Gaza, so any ounce of sympathy I might have had for the plight of the Palestinians just went out the window.

There is no honor in what Hamas is doing. None.

Remember the civil rights movement? African Americans in their Sunday best marching. Peaceful protests. God bless them for maintaining their dignity and engaging in civilized dialogue to move the shameful mountain.

Attacks and kidnappings aren’t noble. Babies in cages can never be justified. JFC.

. Hamas is a terrorist organization sustained by the conditions of the occupation but to hold all of the Palestinians responsible for it makes no sense.

Imagine losing all sympathy for rural white men because too many of them are turning out to be white supremacist terrorists.

I dunno, Gaza is the place that has the most support for Hamas. Plenty of civilians have been shown celebrating. I don’t think there are a lot of dissenters in Gaza.

If that is true, we might wonder what kind of experiences produce that kind of unanimity.

Seeing a lot of what is shown is not evidence that what is shown is evidence of unanimity.

[Anonymous]

Saw this in twitter and feel like it applies to a lot of poster here—

“It's tragic, though understandable, that Palestinians & Israelis have learned to dehumanize and hate each other over the course of their long conflict. It's utterly appalling to observe the same dehumanization and hatred expressed by some of their supporters overseas who haven't directly experienced anything close to what Palestinians and Israelis have.“

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Anonymous wrote:US weapons left behind in Afghanistan used to attack Israel. A high-ranking Israel Defense Forces (IDF) commander said US weapons left in Afghanistan by the Biden administration were found in the hands of Palestinian groups active in the Gaza Strip.

The chaos that erupted after the US scramble to evacuate Afghanistan as ordered by Biden and the significant amount of weapons and equipment left behind there has now been used to attack Israel a close ally of the USA

Biden is incapable of leadership and a total embarrassment on the world stage!

Stop with this nonsense that Biden "left weapons behind" in Afghanistan. The Taliban overthrew the Afghan government. That's what happened. Yes they have all the weapons we left them.