bike lanes not plowed

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Thus far in 2026, more people have been killed on the roads (https://mpdc.dc.gov/page/traffic-data) than have been murdered (https://mpdc.dc.gov/am/dailycrime).

It’s wonderful that crime appears to have fallen so sharply and we can only hope that this continues.

However, that so many people are dying on DC roads is unsurprising to many of us who witness that moronic behavior of some drivers on our streets.

You get the award for most egregious misrepresentation of statistics. Here's more than a decade's worth of data, which is a tad more reliable than what random things happened in the past four weeks.

2024: 20 killed by speeding drivers, 187 murdered
2023: 22 killed by speeding drivers, 274 murdered
2022: 9 killed by speeding drivers, 203 murdered
2021: 12 killed by speeding drivers, 226 murdered
2020: 15 killed by speeding drivers, 198 murdered
2019: 10 killed by speeding drivers, 166 murdered
2018: 9 killed by speeding drivers, 160 murdered
2017: 12 killed by speeding drivers, 116 murdered
2016: 8 killed by speeding drivers, 135 murdered
2015: 11 killed by speeding drivers, 162 murdered
2014: 12 killed by speeding drivers, 105 murdered
2013: 11 killed by speeding drivers, 104 murdered

Deliciously ironic that you are accusing someone who is quoting current data and providing a link to the source with “egregiously misrepresenting statistics” when YOU go on to do this in the very next sentence. I’d call it Orwellian, but it’s just disgusting. When people ask you about your hobbies, do you tell them you spend your free time propagating falsehoods that encourage people to engage in behavior that puts others’ lives at risk? You are every bit as reprehensible as those who denied the existence of COVID in April 2020. Please grow a conscience.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What happened between 2022 and 2023? Isn't that when all the new safety measures were introduced?

The data that have been posted are not being represented correctly. These are not the numbers of people killed on DC streets by speeding drivers because no such data exists.

The data instead represents the number of people who were killed in a crash where speeding was determined to be the primary cause of the crash.

As most of us know, crashes often have multiple causes. A drunk person may be speeding, swerving recklessly, not paying attention, lose control of their vehicle, fail to yield, and kill someone. Take away any one of those factors and there is no crash or at least no fatality.

A couple of years ago, a pedestrian was killed on a crosswalk near where I live. The pedestrian was knocked over a hundred feet and it seems very clear as a result that the driver was speeding. But the driver was charged with failing to yield and so that presumably was designated as the primary cause.

This is a long way of making the point that the number of people who have been killed by speeding drivers is not the same as the number of people who were killed in crashes where speeding was deemed to be the primary cause.

Why someone on here wants to intentionally mislead others and minimize the public health hazard posed by speeding, I have no idea. But it is shameful and Jeff really should be deleting those comments.

The police call them "speed-related fatalities," which would seem to cover your concerns.

There is a chart in one of the reports that is titled “speed-related fatalities”. And if you actually read the report, you will see this explained to the the number of fatal crashes where speed was deemed to be the primary cause (although the methodology of how that determination is made is never explained).

But, again, this has been pointed out in other threads on this forum. Please accept our collective sympathies that you can not remember the clarifications that you have been previously provided to you, but we would really appreciate it if you could stop spreading misinformation that is probably even more damaging to public safety than the anti-vaxxing nonsense.

I didn't know there were weird conspiracy theories about police statistics.

Bicyclists are mad that the police (who actually investigate what happened in traffic accidents) attribute so few traffic deaths to speeding. So now we have people shouting "fake news" about police reports.

Honestly, how stupid do you have to be to not understand the difference between attributing a crash death to speeding and designating speeding as the primary cause of a crash? Are you really an idiot or do you just play one on here?

You seem to be conflating necessary and sufficient causes. You can't have a fire without oxygen, so, by your logic, you'd say the presence of oxygen causes fires.

Speed is necessary and sufficient to cause a fatal crash.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How hard is this to understand?:

You're misrepresenting what the research says. What happens when cars hit people is highly sensitive to what you assume about the circumstances of the accident. Change your assumptions and the numbers change dramatically.

I don’t think I’ve read anything quite so idiotic in recent memory.

[Anonymous]

If there isn't an accident then it doesn't matter. The existence or not of the hypothetical accident is the primary determinent. Accident prevention is what is important.

But that's neither here nor there for this thread. This thread is about the impact bike lanes have had on snow removal and whether resources should be diverted during a snow emergency to clear bike lanes before streets, roads, sidewalks and crosswalks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If there isn't an accident then it doesn't matter. The existence or not of the hypothetical accident is the primary determinent. Accident prevention is what is important.

But that's neither here nor there for this thread. This thread is about the impact bike lanes have had on snow removal and whether resources should be diverted during a snow emergency to clear bike lanes before streets, roads, sidewalks and crosswalks.

This is nuttery. Nowhere in the city had bike lanes cleared before streets, roads, sidewalks and crosswalks. Which is a shame because people need to be able to get around the city safely without having to drive. Stop your conspiracy theory nonsense and remain focus on the true villain: Muriel Bowser and her incompetence.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If there isn't an accident then it doesn't matter. The existence or not of the hypothetical accident is the primary determinent. Accident prevention is what is important.

But that's neither here nor there for this thread. This thread is about the impact bike lanes have had on snow removal and whether resources should be diverted during a snow emergency to clear bike lanes before streets, roads, sidewalks and crosswalks.

This is nuttery. Nowhere in the city had bike lanes cleared before streets, roads, sidewalks and crosswalks. Which is a shame because people need to be able to get around the city safely without having to drive. Stop your conspiracy theory nonsense and remain focus on the true villain: Muriel Bowser and her incompetence.

Lol - we've had quite a few examples shared where that is indeed the case and, although it should be obvious to everyone, you literally just said that it's a shame that that didn't happen more. Jeez, talk about incompetence...

[Anonymous]

No one cares. Most people don’t bike to work when it’s 10 degrees outside. It’s more important that the roads are cleared so emergency vehicles can access people throughout the district. The fire department needs to be able to save people from burning buildings and ambulances need to be able to save people who are having heart attacks. You don’t need to bike to work in the snow, you can take the metro, bus, get an Uber, walk, or drive. Biker bros are very entitled and they would rather have grandma die from a heart attack than not be able to bike to the grocery store.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Thus far in 2026, more people have been killed on the roads (https://mpdc.dc.gov/page/traffic-data) than have been murdered (https://mpdc.dc.gov/am/dailycrime).

It’s wonderful that crime appears to have fallen so sharply and we can only hope that this continues.

However, that so many people are dying on DC roads is unsurprising to many of us who witness that moronic behavior of some drivers on our streets.

You get the award for most egregious misrepresentation of statistics. Here's more than a decade's worth of data, which is a tad more reliable than what random things happened in the past four weeks.

2024: 20 killed by speeding drivers, 187 murdered
2023: 22 killed by speeding drivers, 274 murdered
2022: 9 killed by speeding drivers, 203 murdered
2021: 12 killed by speeding drivers, 226 murdered
2020: 15 killed by speeding drivers, 198 murdered
2019: 10 killed by speeding drivers, 166 murdered
2018: 9 killed by speeding drivers, 160 murdered
2017: 12 killed by speeding drivers, 116 murdered
2016: 8 killed by speeding drivers, 135 murdered
2015: 11 killed by speeding drivers, 162 murdered
2014: 12 killed by speeding drivers, 105 murdered
2013: 11 killed by speeding drivers, 104 murdered

Deliciously ironic that you are accusing someone who is quoting current data and providing a link to the source with “egregiously misrepresenting statistics” when YOU go on to do this in the very next sentence. I’d call it Orwellian, but it’s just disgusting. When people ask you about your hobbies, do you tell them you spend your free time propagating falsehoods that encourage people to engage in behavior that puts others’ lives at risk? You are every bit as reprehensible as those who denied the existence of COVID in April 2020. Please grow a conscience.

You sound crazy.

[Anonymous]

The DC government can’t get around to plowing the bike lanes, but it can send a fleet of diggers at 9pm to tear up a grass easement that probably hasn’t been used for vehicle access since the 1950s.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The DC government can’t get around to plowing the bike lanes, but it can send a fleet of diggers at 9pm to tear up a grass easement that probably hasn’t been used for vehicle access since the 1950s.

There is literally nothing I could care less about than whether or not bike lanes were plowed during a snow emergency.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The DC government can’t get around to plowing the bike lanes, but it can send a fleet of diggers at 9pm to tear up a grass easement that probably hasn’t been used for vehicle access since the 1950s.

There is literally nothing I could care less about than whether or not bike lanes were plowed during a snow emergency.

Yet somehow you saw the title of the thread, clicked on it, and then took the time to post this message asserting that there is nothing you could “literally” care less about the topic of the thread. How curious. And then you’ll no doubt post a follow-up message doubling down on your assertion that you don’t care.

[Anonymous]

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Yet somehow you saw the title of the thread, clicked on it, and then took the time to post this message asserting that there is nothing you could “literally” care less about the topic of the thread. How curious. And then you’ll no doubt post a follow-up message doubling down on your assertion that you don’t care.

Welcome to DCUM

[Anonymous]

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Yet somehow you saw the title of the thread, clicked on it, and then took the time to post this message asserting that there is nothing you could “literally” care less about the topic of the thread. How curious. And then you’ll no doubt post a follow-up message doubling down on your assertion that you don’t care.

Welcome to DCUM

Whining about bike lanes when the trash hasn't been picked up in two weeks and kids just got back to school full time seems a little tone deaf.

[Anonymous]

It's actually the best of Muriel Bowser. She spent some effort clearing bike lanes (pissing off the anti-bike people) but most bike lanes are still blocked in many areas like large patches or impassable mountains at the end so they're not usable (pissing off anyone trying to bike). Let's just do it one way or the other.

[Anonymous]

OP here. was trolling, bike lines are so triggering. and it worked