Is MoCo taking advantage of Rockville's pool

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

It sounds like it was more of a priority issue - it just wasn't a priority for you at that time. We all make choices, we can't do/participate in everything all the time.

But, having said that, I think it unrealistic to think that you can completely change the entire system to suit your particular corner-case situation; not to mention it's not a particularly productive or healthy mindset example for your daughter.

If she really wants to swim over the winter, rather than waste time on an option that isn't on the table right now, you should be pursuing options/avenues that are.

I'm glad you brought up how my daughter thinks and feels. She generally appreciates it when I stick up for her. We had an incident in soccer where one of the coaches' kids were getting away with dirty plays. We pulled her from the program, money back thank you very much.

Any way daughter knew she was getting the rough end of the stick at the tryouts when they made her jump off the racing blocks, but they didn't make anyone else. After RSFC RMSC started having private tryouts a few weeks before official public tryouts, and we were at the pool doing our lap swim right next to the coaches doing private lessons. I pointed out to her that they were doing that because they were being anti-competitive they were afraid of her and didn't want her on the team they were making her jump through excessive hoops and giving other kids privileges. I pointed to coaches and told her to get a good look at fraud. Life lessons, priceless. They later had to restructure their private tryouts, but do you think they appreciated that I turned them in or made them do that. No.

This team needs to be defunded.

I am not for closing the pool down, but like you I am for defunding the Rays and cracking down on their shady dealings.

Wait!! Is this the rays troll?!! 😂

No, this is a different person... but similar with unrealistic views/expectations.

They are clearly new(er) to swimming and just beginning to figure out how things work. They are realizing now that their lack of prioritizing swimming a few years ago means that their daughter isn't quite good enough WRT her peers trying out to get selected at Rockville or at KSAC and rather than understand that it is what it is and accept this(can't go back in time), they are stuck ruminating about RSFC and RMSC operations and blaming them for their shortcomings.

There are plenty of things they could do now and focus on to better their chance in making the team in the future but they don't seem keen on any of that.

Regardless, DCUM is here for them 24/7/365 so they have that going for them.

Hope this helps, let me know if you have any further questions.

Rays is an annoying organization and has uncomfortable relations with RMSC. All the RMSC parents walk around and ask, but is she in RMSC? I don't understand why they run the RMSC kids in the Rays summer league. However, I will say, my daughter's seed times were better than a number of RMSC kids in freestyle and butterfly and in a number of races she beat girls that were swimming four five days a weak all year.

Underwhelmed.

One solution I can think of. Is to fire the coaching staff. Raise the non-resident rates to be consistent with other private programs. Use the proceeds to hire better coaches. Win Win!

You are really bizzare. Anyone can join the rays? Did you do it this summer?

Yes, but it should be embarrassing getting beat by summer league swimmer.

Swimming is about technique and long- term progression and commitment. It is not about 8 year old times, it is a much longer game for RMSC. They are looking for long- term prospects. Sometimes those kids are fastest when little, sometimes not.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

It sounds like it was more of a priority issue - it just wasn't a priority for you at that time. We all make choices, we can't do/participate in everything all the time.

But, having said that, I think it unrealistic to think that you can completely change the entire system to suit your particular corner-case situation; not to mention it's not a particularly productive or healthy mindset example for your daughter.

If she really wants to swim over the winter, rather than waste time on an option that isn't on the table right now, you should be pursuing options/avenues that are.

I'm glad you brought up how my daughter thinks and feels. She generally appreciates it when I stick up for her. We had an incident in soccer where one of the coaches' kids were getting away with dirty plays. We pulled her from the program, money back thank you very much.

Any way daughter knew she was getting the rough end of the stick at the tryouts when they made her jump off the racing blocks, but they didn't make anyone else. After RSFC RMSC started having private tryouts a few weeks before official public tryouts, and we were at the pool doing our lap swim right next to the coaches doing private lessons. I pointed out to her that they were doing that because they were being anti-competitive they were afraid of her and didn't want her on the team they were making her jump through excessive hoops and giving other kids privileges. I pointed to coaches and told her to get a good look at fraud. Life lessons, priceless. They later had to restructure their private tryouts, but do you think they appreciated that I turned them in or made them do that. No.

This team needs to be defunded.

I am not for closing the pool down, but like you I am for defunding the Rays and cracking down on their shady dealings.

Wait!! Is this the rays troll?!! 😂

No, this is a different person... but similar with unrealistic views/expectations.

They are clearly new(er) to swimming and just beginning to figure out how things work. They are realizing now that their lack of prioritizing swimming a few years ago means that their daughter isn't quite good enough WRT her peers trying out to get selected at Rockville or at KSAC and rather than understand that it is what it is and accept this(can't go back in time), they are stuck ruminating about RSFC and RMSC operations and blaming them for their shortcomings.

There are plenty of things they could do now and focus on to better their chance in making the team in the future but they don't seem keen on any of that.

Regardless, DCUM is here for them 24/7/365 so they have that going for them.

Hope this helps, let me know if you have any further questions.

Rays is an annoying organization and has uncomfortable relations with RMSC. All the RMSC parents walk around and ask, but is she in RMSC? I don't understand why they run the RMSC kids in the Rays summer league. However, I will say, my daughter's seed times were better than a number of RMSC kids in freestyle and butterfly and in a number of races she beat girls that were swimming four five days a weak all year.

Underwhelmed.

One solution I can think of. Is to fire the coaching staff. Raise the non-resident rates to be consistent with other private programs. Use the proceeds to hire better coaches. Win Win!

You are really bizzare. Anyone can join the rays? Did you do it this summer?

Yes, but it should be embarrassing getting beat by summer league swimmer.

Why? They may be from other RMSC sites and it’s not all about competition. Look there are very few spots. Do preteam and try again next year.

There is NO point in OP’s kid trying next year, at least at Rockville location. He has burned the bridge. He knows it too, and that’s why he’s here complaining. In fact, I bet she didn’t even try out this year because of his diving block and private tryouts complaints.
OP should have his daughter tryout at KSAC, but that’s too late now.

Having read OP’s earlier complaint about soccer and pulling her out of it because of the coach’s son, I think the best thing he can do is to have his spouse/partner takes the daughter for sports. There’s always some kind of injustice out there for sports, and imho, you are ruining it for her.

Mothers don't let your children grow up to be swimmers...

Now if we can just figure out how to get pool time, all I need to teach my kid is a pool. Gosh, I don't want to swim in that snot and mini-piddle filled North Pool all winter with those aggravating RMSC coaches or any place to practice diving.

RSFC is vacuous.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

It sounds like it was more of a priority issue - it just wasn't a priority for you at that time. We all make choices, we can't do/participate in everything all the time.

But, having said that, I think it unrealistic to think that you can completely change the entire system to suit your particular corner-case situation; not to mention it's not a particularly productive or healthy mindset example for your daughter.

If she really wants to swim over the winter, rather than waste time on an option that isn't on the table right now, you should be pursuing options/avenues that are.

I'm glad you brought up how my daughter thinks and feels. She generally appreciates it when I stick up for her. We had an incident in soccer where one of the coaches' kids were getting away with dirty plays. We pulled her from the program, money back thank you very much.

Any way daughter knew she was getting the rough end of the stick at the tryouts when they made her jump off the racing blocks, but they didn't make anyone else. After RSFC RMSC started having private tryouts a few weeks before official public tryouts, and we were at the pool doing our lap swim right next to the coaches doing private lessons. I pointed out to her that they were doing that because they were being anti-competitive they were afraid of her and didn't want her on the team they were making her jump through excessive hoops and giving other kids privileges. I pointed to coaches and told her to get a good look at fraud. Life lessons, priceless. They later had to restructure their private tryouts, but do you think they appreciated that I turned them in or made them do that. No.

This team needs to be defunded.

I am not for closing the pool down, but like you I am for defunding the Rays and cracking down on their shady dealings.

Wait!! Is this the rays troll?!! 😂

No, this is a different person... but similar with unrealistic views/expectations.

They are clearly new(er) to swimming and just beginning to figure out how things work. They are realizing now that their lack of prioritizing swimming a few years ago means that their daughter isn't quite good enough WRT her peers trying out to get selected at Rockville or at KSAC and rather than understand that it is what it is and accept this(can't go back in time), they are stuck ruminating about RSFC and RMSC operations and blaming them for their shortcomings.

There are plenty of things they could do now and focus on to better their chance in making the team in the future but they don't seem keen on any of that.

Regardless, DCUM is here for them 24/7/365 so they have that going for them.

Hope this helps, let me know if you have any further questions.

Rays is an annoying organization and has uncomfortable relations with RMSC. All the RMSC parents walk around and ask, but is she in RMSC? I don't understand why they run the RMSC kids in the Rays summer league. However, I will say, my daughter's seed times were better than a number of RMSC kids in freestyle and butterfly and in a number of races she beat girls that were swimming four five days a weak all year.

Underwhelmed.

One solution I can think of. Is to fire the coaching staff. Raise the non-resident rates to be consistent with other private programs. Use the proceeds to hire better coaches. Win Win!

You are really bizzare. Anyone can join the rays? Did you do it this summer?

Yes, but it should be embarrassing getting beat by summer league swimmer.

Swimming is about technique and long- term progression and commitment. It is not about 8 year old times, it is a much longer game for RMSC. They are looking for long- term prospects. Sometimes those kids are fastest when little, sometimes not.

No, they aren't, they are milking the kids with 5'4" mothers from Potomac for private lessons so they can afford trips to Nationals. That is what they are doing. Most of those kids have very little long-term prospects. My daughter is going to be around six foot tall. Let's talk about long term prospects for real.

I get it you can't have a team for only tall people that wouldn't be politically popular, then again nothing about elite swimming is politically popular.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get what the OPs end game is?

Mostly just to point out that the non-resident "Competitive" swimmers are basically unwelcome tax freeloaders at the Rockville pool.

OP I suggest that you look at your tax bill and the City operating and capital budgets and figure out how much of your annual city taxes go towards the swim center.

I was just looking at that, it doesn't break out the resident vs non-resident, however as I mentioned above Swim Team fees dominate the revenue.

It doesn't make sense because there is a gap between expected expenditures 3,032,420 and revenues 2,605,970, there is a Capital Improvements Grant Application for 500K I don't know if that is applied or approved.
https://www.rockvillemd.gov/951/Budget

Expenditures:--------------------------------------------------------

Regular Employee Wages Personnel 653,790
Temporary Employee Wages Personnel 1,124,400
Overtime Personnel 2,660
Disability Personnel -
Allowances Personnel 1,620
FICA Personnel 110,400
Defined Benefit Retirement Personnel 69,960
Thrift Option Retirement Personnel 15,090
Medical Insurance Personnel 55,630
Retiree Health Insr. (GASB45) Personnel -
Life Insurance Personnel 2,270
Dental Insurance Personnel 1,710
Medicare Personnel 25,820
Consultants Operating -
Outside Trainers Operating 53,000
Postage Operating -
Advertising-Non Recruitment Operating 600
Software Maintenance and Subscriptions Operating 3,000
Janitorial Services Operating 97,600
Class & Professional Development Operating 20,540
Contract Services-Building Operating 65,730
Contract Services-Grounds Operating 6,500
Alarm Systems Operating 1,000
Other Contract Equip. Repair Operating 6,730
Facility Rental Operating -
Heavy Equipment Rental Operating -
Color Copier Expense Operating -
Other Equipment Leases Operating -
Electricity Operating 244,540
Heating Fuel Operating 107,840
Water Service Payments Operating 78,140
Sewer Service Payments Operating 51,640
SWM Fees Operating 15,310
Equipment Parts Operating 28,900
Program Supplies Operating 53,810
Maintenance Supplies Operating 23,300
Chemicals Operating 89,200
Purchase/Inventory Issue Clothing Operating 2,250
Food for Employee Events Operating -
Emergency Response Supplies Operating -
Furniture & Equipment <$5,000 Operating 11,640
Major Repairs Capital Outlay -
Special Projects Capital Outlay -
Equipment and Tools Capital Outlay 7,800
total= 3,032,420

Renues:---------------------------------------------
Swim Team Dues Charges for Service 771,150
Memberships Revenue Charges for Service 514,400
Park&Recreation Concess Charges for Service 4,000
Facility Rental Fees Charges for Service 46,000
Recreation Prg Fees Charges for Service 869,000
Merchandise Charges for Service 4,000
Admission Charge Charges for Service 394,420
Miscellaneous Revenue Other Revenue 1,000
Recreation Admin. Fees Other Revenue 2,000
total= 2,605,970

I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

I don’t think the budget reinforces OP’s point.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

It sounds like it was more of a priority issue - it just wasn't a priority for you at that time. We all make choices, we can't do/participate in everything all the time.

But, having said that, I think it unrealistic to think that you can completely change the entire system to suit your particular corner-case situation; not to mention it's not a particularly productive or healthy mindset example for your daughter.

If she really wants to swim over the winter, rather than waste time on an option that isn't on the table right now, you should be pursuing options/avenues that are.

I'm glad you brought up how my daughter thinks and feels. She generally appreciates it when I stick up for her. We had an incident in soccer where one of the coaches' kids were getting away with dirty plays. We pulled her from the program, money back thank you very much.

Any way daughter knew she was getting the rough end of the stick at the tryouts when they made her jump off the racing blocks, but they didn't make anyone else. After RSFC RMSC started having private tryouts a few weeks before official public tryouts, and we were at the pool doing our lap swim right next to the coaches doing private lessons. I pointed out to her that they were doing that because they were being anti-competitive they were afraid of her and didn't want her on the team they were making her jump through excessive hoops and giving other kids privileges. I pointed to coaches and told her to get a good look at fraud. Life lessons, priceless. They later had to restructure their private tryouts, but do you think they appreciated that I turned them in or made them do that. No.

This team needs to be defunded.

I am not for closing the pool down, but like you I am for defunding the Rays and cracking down on their shady dealings.

Wait!! Is this the rays troll?!! 😂

No, this is a different person... but similar with unrealistic views/expectations.

They are clearly new(er) to swimming and just beginning to figure out how things work. They are realizing now that their lack of prioritizing swimming a few years ago means that their daughter isn't quite good enough WRT her peers trying out to get selected at Rockville or at KSAC and rather than understand that it is what it is and accept this(can't go back in time), they are stuck ruminating about RSFC and RMSC operations and blaming them for their shortcomings.

There are plenty of things they could do now and focus on to better their chance in making the team in the future but they don't seem keen on any of that.

Regardless, DCUM is here for them 24/7/365 so they have that going for them.

Hope this helps, let me know if you have any further questions.

Rays is an annoying organization and has uncomfortable relations with RMSC. All the RMSC parents walk around and ask, but is she in RMSC? I don't understand why they run the RMSC kids in the Rays summer league. However, I will say, my daughter's seed times were better than a number of RMSC kids in freestyle and butterfly and in a number of races she beat girls that were swimming four five days a weak all year.

Underwhelmed.

One solution I can think of. Is to fire the coaching staff. Raise the non-resident rates to be consistent with other private programs. Use the proceeds to hire better coaches. Win Win!

You are really bizzare. Anyone can join the rays? Did you do it this summer?

Yes, but it should be embarrassing getting beat by summer league swimmer.

Swimming is about technique and long- term progression and commitment. It is not about 8 year old times, it is a much longer game for RMSC. They are looking for long- term prospects. Sometimes those kids are fastest when little, sometimes not.

No, they aren't, they are milking the kids with 5'4" mothers from Potomac for private lessons so they can afford trips to Nationals. That is what they are doing. Most of those kids have very little long-term prospects. My daughter is going to be around six foot tall. Let's talk about long term prospects for real.

I get it you can't have a team for only tall people that wouldn't be politically popular, then again nothing about elite swimming is politically popular.

Do you listen to yourself. Not everyone swims for competition. If your kid is so great why didn’t they get in?

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

It sounds like it was more of a priority issue - it just wasn't a priority for you at that time. We all make choices, we can't do/participate in everything all the time.

But, having said that, I think it unrealistic to think that you can completely change the entire system to suit your particular corner-case situation; not to mention it's not a particularly productive or healthy mindset example for your daughter.

If she really wants to swim over the winter, rather than waste time on an option that isn't on the table right now, you should be pursuing options/avenues that are.

I'm glad you brought up how my daughter thinks and feels. She generally appreciates it when I stick up for her. We had an incident in soccer where one of the coaches' kids were getting away with dirty plays. We pulled her from the program, money back thank you very much.

Any way daughter knew she was getting the rough end of the stick at the tryouts when they made her jump off the racing blocks, but they didn't make anyone else. After RSFC RMSC started having private tryouts a few weeks before official public tryouts, and we were at the pool doing our lap swim right next to the coaches doing private lessons. I pointed out to her that they were doing that because they were being anti-competitive they were afraid of her and didn't want her on the team they were making her jump through excessive hoops and giving other kids privileges. I pointed to coaches and told her to get a good look at fraud. Life lessons, priceless. They later had to restructure their private tryouts, but do you think they appreciated that I turned them in or made them do that. No.

This team needs to be defunded.

I am not for closing the pool down, but like you I am for defunding the Rays and cracking down on their shady dealings.

Wait!! Is this the rays troll?!! 😂

No, this is a different person... but similar with unrealistic views/expectations.

They are clearly new(er) to swimming and just beginning to figure out how things work. They are realizing now that their lack of prioritizing swimming a few years ago means that their daughter isn't quite good enough WRT her peers trying out to get selected at Rockville or at KSAC and rather than understand that it is what it is and accept this(can't go back in time), they are stuck ruminating about RSFC and RMSC operations and blaming them for their shortcomings.

There are plenty of things they could do now and focus on to better their chance in making the team in the future but they don't seem keen on any of that.

Regardless, DCUM is here for them 24/7/365 so they have that going for them.

Hope this helps, let me know if you have any further questions.

Rays is an annoying organization and has uncomfortable relations with RMSC. All the RMSC parents walk around and ask, but is she in RMSC? I don't understand why they run the RMSC kids in the Rays summer league. However, I will say, my daughter's seed times were better than a number of RMSC kids in freestyle and butterfly and in a number of races she beat girls that were swimming four five days a weak all year.

Underwhelmed.

One solution I can think of. Is to fire the coaching staff. Raise the non-resident rates to be consistent with other private programs. Use the proceeds to hire better coaches. Win Win!

You are really bizzare. Anyone can join the rays? Did you do it this summer?

Yes, but it should be embarrassing getting beat by summer league swimmer.

Swimming is about technique and long- term progression and commitment. It is not about 8 year old times, it is a much longer game for RMSC. They are looking for long- term prospects. Sometimes those kids are fastest when little, sometimes not.

No, they aren't, they are milking the kids with 5'4" mothers from Potomac for private lessons so they can afford trips to Nationals. That is what they are doing. Most of those kids have very little long-term prospects. My daughter is going to be around six foot tall. Let's talk about long term prospects for real.

I get it you can't have a team for only tall people that wouldn't be politically popular, then again nothing about elite swimming is politically popular.

Coaches have a crazy meter. They sensed your crazy and decided you were a nightmare no matter how good your 6 ft tall 8 year old daughter is.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

It sounds like it was more of a priority issue - it just wasn't a priority for you at that time. We all make choices, we can't do/participate in everything all the time.

But, having said that, I think it unrealistic to think that you can completely change the entire system to suit your particular corner-case situation; not to mention it's not a particularly productive or healthy mindset example for your daughter.

If she really wants to swim over the winter, rather than waste time on an option that isn't on the table right now, you should be pursuing options/avenues that are.

I'm glad you brought up how my daughter thinks and feels. She generally appreciates it when I stick up for her. We had an incident in soccer where one of the coaches' kids were getting away with dirty plays. We pulled her from the program, money back thank you very much.

Any way daughter knew she was getting the rough end of the stick at the tryouts when they made her jump off the racing blocks, but they didn't make anyone else. After RSFC RMSC started having private tryouts a few weeks before official public tryouts, and we were at the pool doing our lap swim right next to the coaches doing private lessons. I pointed out to her that they were doing that because they were being anti-competitive they were afraid of her and didn't want her on the team they were making her jump through excessive hoops and giving other kids privileges. I pointed to coaches and told her to get a good look at fraud. Life lessons, priceless. They later had to restructure their private tryouts, but do you think they appreciated that I turned them in or made them do that. No.

This team needs to be defunded.

I am not for closing the pool down, but like you I am for defunding the Rays and cracking down on their shady dealings.

Wait!! Is this the rays troll?!! 😂

No, this is a different person... but similar with unrealistic views/expectations.

They are clearly new(er) to swimming and just beginning to figure out how things work. They are realizing now that their lack of prioritizing swimming a few years ago means that their daughter isn't quite good enough WRT her peers trying out to get selected at Rockville or at KSAC and rather than understand that it is what it is and accept this(can't go back in time), they are stuck ruminating about RSFC and RMSC operations and blaming them for their shortcomings.

There are plenty of things they could do now and focus on to better their chance in making the team in the future but they don't seem keen on any of that.

Regardless, DCUM is here for them 24/7/365 so they have that going for them.

Hope this helps, let me know if you have any further questions.

Rays is an annoying organization and has uncomfortable relations with RMSC. All the RMSC parents walk around and ask, but is she in RMSC? I don't understand why they run the RMSC kids in the Rays summer league. However, I will say, my daughter's seed times were better than a number of RMSC kids in freestyle and butterfly and in a number of races she beat girls that were swimming four five days a weak all year.

Underwhelmed.

One solution I can think of. Is to fire the coaching staff. Raise the non-resident rates to be consistent with other private programs. Use the proceeds to hire better coaches. Win Win!

You are really bizzare. Anyone can join the rays? Did you do it this summer?

Yes, but it should be embarrassing getting beat by summer league swimmer.

Swimming is about technique and long- term progression and commitment. It is not about 8 year old times, it is a much longer game for RMSC. They are looking for long- term prospects. Sometimes those kids are fastest when little, sometimes not.

No, they aren't, they are milking the kids with 5'4" mothers from Potomac for private lessons so they can afford trips to Nationals. That is what they are doing. Most of those kids have very little long-term prospects. My daughter is going to be around six foot tall. Let's talk about long term prospects for real.

I get it you can't have a team for only tall people that wouldn't be politically popular, then again nothing about elite swimming is politically popular.

Are you suggesting that your child should be admitted based on her parents’ height over faster kids with shorter parents? That, too, feels fraught. What sort of objective criteria would you suggest?

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

It sounds like it was more of a priority issue - it just wasn't a priority for you at that time. We all make choices, we can't do/participate in everything all the time.

But, having said that, I think it unrealistic to think that you can completely change the entire system to suit your particular corner-case situation; not to mention it's not a particularly productive or healthy mindset example for your daughter.

If she really wants to swim over the winter, rather than waste time on an option that isn't on the table right now, you should be pursuing options/avenues that are.

I'm glad you brought up how my daughter thinks and feels. She generally appreciates it when I stick up for her. We had an incident in soccer where one of the coaches' kids were getting away with dirty plays. We pulled her from the program, money back thank you very much.

Any way daughter knew she was getting the rough end of the stick at the tryouts when they made her jump off the racing blocks, but they didn't make anyone else. After RSFC RMSC started having private tryouts a few weeks before official public tryouts, and we were at the pool doing our lap swim right next to the coaches doing private lessons. I pointed out to her that they were doing that because they were being anti-competitive they were afraid of her and didn't want her on the team they were making her jump through excessive hoops and giving other kids privileges. I pointed to coaches and told her to get a good look at fraud. Life lessons, priceless. They later had to restructure their private tryouts, but do you think they appreciated that I turned them in or made them do that. No.

This team needs to be defunded.

I am not for closing the pool down, but like you I am for defunding the Rays and cracking down on their shady dealings.

Wait!! Is this the rays troll?!! 😂

No, this is a different person... but similar with unrealistic views/expectations.

They are clearly new(er) to swimming and just beginning to figure out how things work. They are realizing now that their lack of prioritizing swimming a few years ago means that their daughter isn't quite good enough WRT her peers trying out to get selected at Rockville or at KSAC and rather than understand that it is what it is and accept this(can't go back in time), they are stuck ruminating about RSFC and RMSC operations and blaming them for their shortcomings.

There are plenty of things they could do now and focus on to better their chance in making the team in the future but they don't seem keen on any of that.

Regardless, DCUM is here for them 24/7/365 so they have that going for them.

Hope this helps, let me know if you have any further questions.

Rays is an annoying organization and has uncomfortable relations with RMSC. All the RMSC parents walk around and ask, but is she in RMSC? I don't understand why they run the RMSC kids in the Rays summer league. However, I will say, my daughter's seed times were better than a number of RMSC kids in freestyle and butterfly and in a number of races she beat girls that were swimming four five days a weak all year.

Underwhelmed.

One solution I can think of. Is to fire the coaching staff. Raise the non-resident rates to be consistent with other private programs. Use the proceeds to hire better coaches. Win Win!

You are really bizzare. Anyone can join the rays? Did you do it this summer?

Yes, but it should be embarrassing getting beat by summer league swimmer.

Swimming is about technique and long- term progression and commitment. It is not about 8 year old times, it is a much longer game for RMSC. They are looking for long- term prospects. Sometimes those kids are fastest when little, sometimes not.

No, they aren't, they are milking the kids with 5'4" mothers from Potomac for private lessons so they can afford trips to Nationals. That is what they are doing. Most of those kids have very little long-term prospects. My daughter is going to be around six foot tall. Let's talk about long term prospects for real.

I get it you can't have a team for only tall people that wouldn't be politically popular, then again nothing about elite swimming is politically popular.

Are you suggesting that your child should be admitted based on her parents’ height over faster kids with shorter parents? That, too, feels fraught. What sort of objective criteria would you suggest?

They don't admit based on speed. They don't admit on long term prospects. What was it they admit based on? Did you take the lesson from that one coach and did they like you.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

This year’s crop of 8 year olds were only 4 when the pandemic started. Your child didn’t get cut from RMSC Rockville because of the pandemic. If you wanted her to make the team for the 2024-2025 season as an 8 year old mini she should have been swimming regularly during the 2023-2024 school year, and probably the 2022-2023 school year as well. The pandemic pool shutdowns were from spring 2020 through the summer 2020. There is no reason for you to have not had your kid back in the pool starting in 2022 if this was so weirdly important to you.

How do explain the inanely patronizing statements your compatriots at dcum make though? Safety violation shouldn't be reported. Public facilities don't need fair tryouts.

Explain that. 

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

This year’s crop of 8 year olds were only 4 when the pandemic started. Your child didn’t get cut from RMSC Rockville because of the pandemic. If you wanted her to make the team for the 2024-2025 season as an 8 year old mini she should have been swimming regularly during the 2023-2024 school year, and probably the 2022-2023 school year as well. The pandemic pool shutdowns were from spring 2020 through the summer 2020. There is no reason for you to have not had your kid back in the pool starting in 2022 if this was so weirdly important to you.

How do explain the inanely patronizing statements your compatriots at dcum make though? Safety violation shouldn't be reported. Public facilities don't need fair tryouts.

Explain that. 

Nothing as patronizing as you calling parents short and their kids with no long term prospects.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

This year’s crop of 8 year olds were only 4 when the pandemic started. Your child didn’t get cut from RMSC Rockville because of the pandemic. If you wanted her to make the team for the 2024-2025 season as an 8 year old mini she should have been swimming regularly during the 2023-2024 school year, and probably the 2022-2023 school year as well. The pandemic pool shutdowns were from spring 2020 through the summer 2020. There is no reason for you to have not had your kid back in the pool starting in 2022 if this was so weirdly important to you.

How do explain the inanely patronizing statements your compatriots at dcum make though? Safety violation shouldn't be reported. Public facilities don't need fair tryouts.

Explain that. 

Nothing as patronizing as you calling parents short and their kids with no long term prospects.

Ever watched the Olympics. You can go look up their stats. I never promised your kid anything. What does the coach tell you, maybe they'll grow like a weed or unlock a secret mystery to a wave equation.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

This year’s crop of 8 year olds were only 4 when the pandemic started. Your child didn’t get cut from RMSC Rockville because of the pandemic. If you wanted her to make the team for the 2024-2025 season as an 8 year old mini she should have been swimming regularly during the 2023-2024 school year, and probably the 2022-2023 school year as well. The pandemic pool shutdowns were from spring 2020 through the summer 2020. There is no reason for you to have not had your kid back in the pool starting in 2022 if this was so weirdly important to you.

How do explain the inanely patronizing statements your compatriots at dcum make though? Safety violation shouldn't be reported. Public facilities don't need fair tryouts.

Explain that. 

Nothing as patronizing as you calling parents short and their kids with no long term prospects.

Ever watched the Olympics. You can go look up their stats. I never promised your kid anything. What does the coach tell you, maybe they'll grow like a weed or unlock a secret mystery to a wave equation.

Here here is the link https://swimswam.com/how-tall-have-olympic-medalists-been-historically/

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

This year’s crop of 8 year olds were only 4 when the pandemic started. Your child didn’t get cut from RMSC Rockville because of the pandemic. If you wanted her to make the team for the 2024-2025 season as an 8 year old mini she should have been swimming regularly during the 2023-2024 school year, and probably the 2022-2023 school year as well. The pandemic pool shutdowns were from spring 2020 through the summer 2020. There is no reason for you to have not had your kid back in the pool starting in 2022 if this was so weirdly important to you.

How do explain the inanely patronizing statements your compatriots at dcum make though? Safety violation shouldn't be reported. Public facilities don't need fair tryouts.

Explain that. 

None of that has anything to do with whether the pandemic kept your kid from making RMSC Rockville’s team. It didn’t. I’ve been a swim parent for a minute and you come across as crazy as they come.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

This year’s crop of 8 year olds were only 4 when the pandemic started. Your child didn’t get cut from RMSC Rockville because of the pandemic. If you wanted her to make the team for the 2024-2025 season as an 8 year old mini she should have been swimming regularly during the 2023-2024 school year, and probably the 2022-2023 school year as well. The pandemic pool shutdowns were from spring 2020 through the summer 2020. There is no reason for you to have not had your kid back in the pool starting in 2022 if this was so weirdly important to you.

How do explain the inanely patronizing statements your compatriots at dcum make though? Safety violation shouldn't be reported. Public facilities don't need fair tryouts.

Explain that. 

None of that has anything to do with whether the pandemic kept your kid from making RMSC Rockville’s team. It didn’t. I’ve been a swim parent for a minute and you come across as crazy as they come.

The forum would probably converge much faster if people didn't get to pick and choose the points and topics they wanted to respond. The topic here is whether or not non-residents are taking advantage of the Rockville Pool. So you have some data to contribute to that. I'd like to see a break down on how many non-residents there are.

Someone brought up the point that RMSC is a long-term competitive program, and I was just pointing out that this may not be as sound of a claim as it would seem. There are definitely inconsistencies between what top swimming athlete's attributes and who are in RMSC. Height may be one inconsistency. I don't think they are delving into muscle fiber composition or metabolic capacity either if you know what I mean.

Let's face it. It's a social club, full of patronizing parents. The kids in there are nothing special. They swim three, four, five days a week all year round and have times nominally faster (and in many cases slower) than top summer league swimmers.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

Raising the price for RMSC Rockville wouldn’t be crazy. The swimmers are not freeloaders, they still pay thousands per year. What good would shutting down the down center do?

What good is a pool my kid can't swim in? They denied my kid the right to swim in the Rockville pool. If these swim coaches can't be brought to heel, then we need to rethink funding these places.

Aha, so your kid didn't get into RMSC, so now you want your city taxes not to help anyone else swim?