MH370 New Netflix Special

[Anonymous]

Ok so my DC made me watch the hole thing.

Theories (am I missing some?)
1. Pilot suicide mission - the Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah shut down plane communications over the South China Sea and then deviated westward from its planned flight path, crossing the Malay Peninsula and Andaman Sea into the Indian Ocean where he downed the plane. He may have murdered everyone/ squashed resistance early on by depressurizing and shutting off oxygen in the cabins.
2. Russian Passengers hijacked plane entering electric control overrides via unlocked hatch in business class.
3. Unscanned Cargo containing 5,000 pounds of lithium-ion batteries triggered a fire
4. Chinese or US shot the plane down in South China Sea.

New York Times uncovered document from the Malaysian police investigation that showed that the plane’s captain, Zaharie Ahmad Shah, conducted a simulated flight deep into the remote southern Indian Ocean less than a month before the plane vanished under uncannily similar circumstances. Malaysia withheld this info from a lengthy public report on the investigation - not sure whether Malaysian officials wanted to protect Malaysian officials from law suits/ embarrassment or were not able to believe their pilot capable of mass Murder.

Also the pilot’s wife and kids moved out the day before and his relationship with his mistress was also not going well.

I believe that it was premeditated suicide-mass murder by the pilot and he was enabled by incompetent air traffic safety controls by Malaysian officials.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I guess my problem with every scenario is I don’t know whom to trust. I’m not usually a conspiracy theorist. But we can’t know if the reported flight simulation was real. If the Inmarsat data was real. What about the debris identified by one of the participants in the documentary? Cyndi Hendrey.

"I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist" is always a dead giveaway for a conspiracy theorist.

[Anonymous]

I watched this on History's Greatest Mysteries. I thought they covered all the scenarios well. Very interesting. Anyone see both that episode and the Netflix Documentary? Does the Netflix Documentary add anything worth while that the History's Greatest Mysteries episode doesn't cover?

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Anonymous wrote:According to Netflix, the pilot was doing home flight simulations of this exact scenario, flying off course, and running out of fuel over the SCS. They didn't spend a lot of time on it, but seems like there's the story right there.

This isn't what the Netflix doc says. It is neither the exact scenario in terms of route nor was it a continuous flight that was simulated. The doc explains why it wasn't identical.

I don't know what happened and don't have a favored theory but the simulator data doesn't seem to be at all relevant. Rather it seems like those who favor "the pilot did it" theory have manipulated the interpretation of the simulator data to be helpful to that narrative but it doesn't really fit.

It was very, very close path but slightly more east on the graphic they showed it. Pretty crazy.

I mean, it wasn't an EXACT match but extremely close!

This article has an image of the simulator route (in red) and where the satellite pings indicate the plane went. Why on earth would a pilot fly a simulated route like this? You'd never actually fly one unless you were trying to crash the plane into the ocean. And this route was the only one on the simulator that he flew manually, apparently.

To believe that the pilot did NOT do this, IMO, requires belief that the simulator route was planted and is a fake.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/07/mh370-pilot-flew-suicide-route-on-home-simulator.html

If the pilot did this, why did nobody text or call a loved one? If he did this, he would have been back over Malaysian land (according to that theory he turned around) and the people in the cockpit would have had 15 minutes of air, so why wouldn't they call? Also, was his rapid decent to knock everyone out planned on the simulator.

I still think there are lots of unanswered questions to believe this theory. Also, as I said upthread it would be a total outlier in pilot suicides. To fly until he ran out of gas to be able to plunge it into the ocean. Sitting for 7 hours with a dead cabin, pissing himself. That's a loooong time to execute a suicide mission.

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Anonymous wrote:According to Netflix, the pilot was doing home flight simulations of this exact scenario, flying off course, and running out of fuel over the SCS. They didn't spend a lot of time on it, but seems like there's the story right there.

This isn't what the Netflix doc says. It is neither the exact scenario in terms of route nor was it a continuous flight that was simulated. The doc explains why it wasn't identical.

I don't know what happened and don't have a favored theory but the simulator data doesn't seem to be at all relevant. Rather it seems like those who favor "the pilot did it" theory have manipulated the interpretation of the simulator data to be helpful to that narrative but it doesn't really fit.

It was very, very close path but slightly more east on the graphic they showed it. Pretty crazy.

I mean, it wasn't an EXACT match but extremely close!

This article has an image of the simulator route (in red) and where the satellite pings indicate the plane went. Why on earth would a pilot fly a simulated route like this? You'd never actually fly one unless you were trying to crash the plane into the ocean. And this route was the only one on the simulator that he flew manually, apparently.

To believe that the pilot did NOT do this, IMO, requires belief that the simulator route was planted and is a fake.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/07/mh370-pilot-flew-suicide-route-on-home-simulator.html

If the pilot did this, why did nobody text or call a loved one? If he did this, he would have been back over Malaysian land (according to that theory he turned around) and the people in the cockpit would have had 15 minutes of air, so why wouldn't they call? Also, was his rapid decent to knock everyone out planned on the simulator.

I still think there are lots of unanswered questions to believe this theory. Also, as I said upthread it would be a total outlier in pilot suicides. To fly until he ran out of gas to be able to plunge it into the ocean. Sitting for 7 hours with a dead cabin, pissing himself. That's a loooong time to execute a suicide mission.

The theory is that he probably depressurized the cabin and shut off oxygen early on to remove resistance.

Also telecom experts said that the phone calls ringing hours later could have easily been caused by searching for signals rather than people being alive with their cell phones turned on.

Over 200 pieces of debris found on African beaches in Madagascar and Mozambique were currents would have carried debris.


Why would the pilot simulate this journey a month before of not on a suicide murder mission? His wife and three kids moved out the day before the incident and he was reportedly very unhappy about his family breaking up (even though he has a mistress).

The solid non-speculative evidence points to the pilot.

[Anonymous]

There would be debris not matter what happened to the plane. Where is the debris?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:According to Netflix, the pilot was doing home flight simulations of this exact scenario, flying off course, and running out of fuel over the SCS. They didn't spend a lot of time on it, but seems like there's the story right there.

This isn't what the Netflix doc says. It is neither the exact scenario in terms of route nor was it a continuous flight that was simulated. The doc explains why it wasn't identical.

I don't know what happened and don't have a favored theory but the simulator data doesn't seem to be at all relevant. Rather it seems like those who favor "the pilot did it" theory have manipulated the interpretation of the simulator data to be helpful to that narrative but it doesn't really fit.

It was very, very close path but slightly more east on the graphic they showed it. Pretty crazy.

I mean, it wasn't an EXACT match but extremely close!

This article has an image of the simulator route (in red) and where the satellite pings indicate the plane went. Why on earth would a pilot fly a simulated route like this? You'd never actually fly one unless you were trying to crash the plane into the ocean. And this route was the only one on the simulator that he flew manually, apparently.

To believe that the pilot did NOT do this, IMO, requires belief that the simulator route was planted and is a fake.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/07/mh370-pilot-flew-suicide-route-on-home-simulator.html

If the pilot did this, why did nobody text or call a loved one? If he did this, he would have been back over Malaysian land (according to that theory he turned around) and the people in the cockpit would have had 15 minutes of air, so why wouldn't they call? Also, was his rapid decent to knock everyone out planned on the simulator.

I still think there are lots of unanswered questions to believe this theory. Also, as I said upthread it would be a total outlier in pilot suicides. To fly until he ran out of gas to be able to plunge it into the ocean. Sitting for 7 hours with a dead cabin, pissing himself. That's a loooong time to execute a suicide mission.

The point of the depressurization idea is that the pilot climbed to 40k where the oxygen from the masks wasn’t as useful and certainly wouldn’t help for 15 minutes. And he made the turn right in the middle of the sea, where there wouldn’t have been good cell coverage.

Remember the Payne Stewart crash. The depressurization happened so quickly the pilots were incapacitated before getting to oxygen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There would be debris not matter what happened to the plane. Where is the debris?

13,000 feet down at the bottom of the southern Indian Ocean

[Anonymous]

Not everything would sink. Seat cushions float, plastics from/in the plane, small luggage, shoes, clothing, blankets,/pillows....None of this was ever found.

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Anonymous wrote:Not everything would sink. Seat cushions float, plastics from/in the plane, small luggage, shoes, clothing, blankets,/pillows....None of this was ever found.

There is a sad amount of trash that is in the oceans. Most of the stuff that didn’t sink probably washed up on shore, was ignored, and eventually buried. Given the timeframes indicated (1-2 years and thousands of miles), a lot of it would have disintegrated too. Also, much of what you listed would sink.

[Anonymous]

It would not sink immediately. I am not talking a year afterwards. Debris from tsunamis wash ashore thousands of miles away, weeks to months later. You can not definitively say absolutely not one single thing would float or remain floating for a time period after it crashed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not everything would sink. Seat cushions float, plastics from/in the plane, small luggage, shoes, clothing, blankets,/pillows....None of this was ever found.

Over 200 pieces were found in Mozambique and Madagascar beaches …

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Anonymous wrote:It couldn’t be more clear that it was the pilot, who had simulated and deleted a nearly identical route. What a tragedy. Hopefully airlines have put safeguards in place to prevent it from happening again

Right, but what could those be? There haven't been any terrorist murder/suicides by airplane since 9/11 because we have been able to shore up weaknesses. But unfortunately there have been pilot murder/suicides since MH370.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanwings_Flight_9525

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Eastern_Airlines_Flight_5735

How do you enable to crew to have some kind of defense and override for a suicidal pilot that doesn't impact the security of the cockpit?

Right. There is not actual way to prevent these cases. The poster who ended with that "wish" was not thinking it through.

Just a classic "thoughts and prayers" signoff.

Well, actually, my thought was that the pilot depressurized the cabin. Maybe there could be safeguards in place to prevent that. I don’t know how you prevent truly suicidal pilots. Or bus drivers, for that matter.

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Anonymous wrote:Not everything would sink. Seat cushions float, plastics from/in the plane, small luggage, shoes, clothing, blankets,/pillows....None of this was ever found.

Over 200 pieces were found in Mozambique and Madagascar beaches …

Yes, and the softer stuff - stuff that would float - is the stuff that would be turned to confetti if the plane nosedived, as at least one expert believes based on the satellite data. No one was looking in the southern Indian Ocean for many weeks after the crash; plenty of time for whatever debris is there to scatter or sink.

[Anonymous]

They didn’t find Flight 447 in the Atlantic for two years despite knowing where it went down and having a debris field.

MH 370 had no chance.