S/O Can we talk about how bad Lin-Manuel Miranda's music is?

[Anonymous]

So many people here are making objective statements about Miranda’s music in a positive way in just the same way that some are making objective statements about his music in a negative way. For instance, saying that Moana is the “BEST Disney film ever made, hands down”, is an extremely objective statement. But the thing is, no one here is criticizing the people who make THESE positive objective statements; only the people with negative ones seem to be getting criticized for being narcissistic, and “bad” and such. It seems that when someone, anyone, has a strong opinion or feeling about something like music or art, either good or bad, their opinion really does represent a truth, because they are actually sensing something in the music itself or in the art itself that makes them feel it as ugly or makes them feel that it is beautiful. So in some real sense, our subjective reality is also an objective reality as well. So please don’t judge people when they feel that their opinions and beliefs are correct, UNLESS that is, their opinions and beliefs end up causing harm to others. I think it’s only then that it is a good thing to put up a fight against them. Otherwise, one person has just as much of a right to think that some music stinks as someone else who thinks it’s the best music that has ever been written.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Every single song sounds the exact same. Every song in every movie, musical etc sounds the same. I think he just changes the pitch and the words.

He has a signature sound, yes. Often it works, but not always, and that's fine.

[Anonymous]

Lol this is an old thread. I cringe at LMM’s singing voice but I think he’s a talented songwriter and composer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So many people here are making objective statements about Miranda’s music in a positive way in just the same way that some are making objective statements about his music in a negative way. For instance, saying that Moana is the “BEST Disney film ever made, hands down”, is an extremely objective statement. But the thing is, no one here is criticizing the people who make THESE positive objective statements; only the people with negative ones seem to be getting criticized for being narcissistic, and “bad” and such. It seems that when someone, anyone, has a strong opinion or feeling about something like music or art, either good or bad, their opinion really does represent a truth, because they are actually sensing something in the music itself or in the art itself that makes them feel it as ugly or makes them feel that it is beautiful. So in some real sense, our subjective reality is also an objective reality as well. So please don’t judge people when they feel that their opinions and beliefs are correct, UNLESS that is, their opinions and beliefs end up causing harm to others. I think it’s only then that it is a good thing to put up a fight against them. Otherwise, one person has just as much of a right to think that some music stinks as someone else who thinks it’s the best music that has ever been written.

I understand the point you’re trying to make, but this is still an example of a subjective statement.

[Anonymous]

Oh man, I had forgotten about how completely deranged this thread was.

But relatedly, my daughter has been obsessed with Moana the last few months and I vacillate between appreciating LMM and hating him with the heat of 1000 suns because on the on hand, Shiny is really funny and fun, and on the other hand if I hear “I am Moana!!” one more time I will actually die.

[Anonymous]

“Tim Kaine in the membrane”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh man, I had forgotten about how completely deranged this thread was.

But relatedly, my daughter has been obsessed with Moana the last few months and I vacillate between appreciating LMM and hating him with the heat of 1000 suns because on the on hand, Shiny is really funny and fun, and on the other hand if I hear “I am Moana!!” one more time I will actually die.

You're Welcome!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh man, I had forgotten about how completely deranged this thread was.

But relatedly, my daughter has been obsessed with Moana the last few months and I vacillate between appreciating LMM and hating him with the heat of 1000 suns because on the on hand, Shiny is really funny and fun, and on the other hand if I hear “I am Moana!!” one more time I will actually die.

You're Welcome!

And thank you!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So many people here are making objective statements about Miranda’s music in a positive way in just the same way that some are making objective statements about his music in a negative way. For instance, saying that Moana is the “BEST Disney film ever made, hands down”, is an extremely objective statement. But the thing is, no one here is criticizing the people who make THESE positive objective statements; only the people with negative ones seem to be getting criticized for being narcissistic, and “bad” and such. It seems that when someone, anyone, has a strong opinion or feeling about something like music or art, either good or bad, their opinion really does represent a truth, because they are actually sensing something in the music itself or in the art itself that makes them feel it as ugly or makes them feel that it is beautiful. So in some real sense, our subjective reality is also an objective reality as well. So please don’t judge people when they feel that their opinions and beliefs are correct, UNLESS that is, their opinions and beliefs end up causing harm to others. I think it’s only then that it is a good thing to put up a fight against them. Otherwise, one person has just as much of a right to think that some music stinks as someone else who thinks it’s the best music that has ever been written.

Have you been carrying on the conversation in your head this whole time?

[Anonymous]

Did you bump this thread to see how long it would take before someone mentioned
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Scuttlebutt?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Did you bump this thread to see how long it would take before someone mentioned
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Scuttlebutt?

I'm actually a fan, but this song? Come on, man!

[Anonymous]

New Little mermaid songs were terrible

[Anonymous]

LMM is what we had to do before ChatGPT came along to create template-driven safe music.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
LMM is what we had to do before ChatGPT came along to create template-driven safe music.

This is an unbelievably apt burn, and I don't even hate LMM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh man, I had forgotten about how completely deranged this thread was.

But relatedly, my daughter has been obsessed with Moana the last few months and I vacillate between appreciating LMM and hating him with the heat of 1000 suns because on the on hand, Shiny is really funny and fun, and on the other hand if I hear “I am Moana!!” one more time I will actually die.

You're Welcome!

The Moana soundtrack - music and lyrics - is 100% genius. You may not personally enjoy it but it’s brilliant.