Notre Dame or Georgetown

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Georgetown’s Black numbers are insane considering the location.

It's more than double ND's abysmal 3%. I can't think of an elite school with worse diversity data

They're both pretty bad. But one is in small town Indiana. And one is in Washington DC. There's a difference.

If you do a tour of midwestern schools - Chicago, Northwestern, Vanderbilt - the whiteness of Notre Dame is extremely striking. But it's Indiana. Maybe a lot of POC don't want to go there. The fact that Georgetown - in the heart of Chocolate City, surrounded by burbs with some of the most vibrant Asian and Hispanic communities in the country - has even worse numbers than Notre Dame is ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those two pies make Georgetown look way more regional. NY/NJ/va and California. Whereas ND has a lot more beefier slices.

+1 Georgetown is much more regional. Notre Dame is one of the few schools that is a truly national student body.

Yet, when you attend there, it really FEELS Midwestern. That is the predominant setting that you really cannot get around. So be prepared if you go.

— ND grad

[Anonymous]

I applied to both these schools back in the day when we didn't research as much (along with Catholic University)! Got rejected from Georgetown (I was very surprised haha), got into ND, and went to my state schools honors college on a full ride.

[Anonymous]

Having toured both in the 1990s and then again in 2023, Georgetown wowed me in 1990s and looks drab now. ND the opposite. Just talking interior and exterior.

Georgetown has always had more wealthy international kids. That felt sophisticated to me back then, and like a money grab now that we're living in an age where private high schools bring into wealthy international for full pay.

ND kids and alum, all these years later, are devoted and involved. I have a friend who at least a couple times a year goes to a bar in NY to watch football with other ND people. I think that kind of stuff is key for men, who can otherwise struggle with adult friendships that are their own and not just "friend of the husband of my wife's friend" etc.

As someone pointed out, ND is the dream school for a lot of people and that spirit shows up in current students and alum. Georgetown was on the list a college counselor put together and it was the best they got into.

ND has a lot more money. Better merit, better FA, more money for research.

ND is very easy to switch between colleges and it's almost encouraged.

ND has a lot more school spirit stuff/goofy campus events and kids actually participate.

ND has better sports, currently.

ND has better food.

ND is more Catholic.

ND a bit more conservative, although both are more left than the country as a whole and neither are as left as many top 10 campuses.

ND has a far better accepted students weekend. I had one kid who did both and one was all "you're here! you're HOME! now let's all do something in a group that get kids involved and then meet with the President for an inspiring speech and then go have a 1am pancake breakfast etc etc etc". Georgetown was an overnight with a shrug and a "of course you're coming here" non-plussed vibe.

ND is happier.

Georgetown has better location for school-year internships.

Georgetown felt like a better place for women in the 1990s, by a lot, but I think that's no longer true. But not sure.

SFS is top in class in this area.

Hard to switch btw colleges at Georgetown and also lacking some major things like Engineering, so be sure you're not interested in this.

Georgetown better thought of by rich families in Middle East and Asia.

Georgetown is cooler.

I went to Brown thinking is was a cross btw the things I like about both (and other schools) -- which is insane but I loved my time anyway. Which is to say, go with your vibe check.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those two pies make Georgetown look way more regional. NY/NJ/va and California. Whereas ND has a lot more beefier slices.

+1 Georgetown is much more regional. Notre Dame is one of the few schools that is a truly national student body.

Yet, when you attend there, it really FEELS Midwestern. That is the predominant setting that you really cannot get around. So be prepared if you go.

— ND grad

Yea like Chicago

[Anonymous]

NP. I agree that CDS is best source for comparing racial makeup.

I went ahead and did my own analysis, excluding and including nonresidents. Nonresidents, as we know, is a mix of races. And GU has a large proportion of nonresidents. Excluding this category gives you more of an apples to apples analysis. The key differences when excluding nonresidents are that the % of whites narrows and the % of Asians widens.

Regardless of this, the glaring thing here is that the % of Hispanics at GU is abysmal compared to ND. I am not surprised at the low % of Asians at ND mainly because of its high Catholic population. There really aren't many Catholic Asians. GU really needs to work on making admissions easier for Hispanic population. For a Catholic school, this is unacceptable.



Sources: https://www3.nd.edu/~instres/CDS/2022-2023/CDS_2022-2023.pdf
https://georgetown.app.box.com/s/v9kfgo65p6hy1o3pxc3v2ddsvwxcwksv

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Having toured both in the 1990s and then again in 2023, Georgetown wowed me in 1990s and looks drab now. ND the opposite. Just talking interior and exterior.

Georgetown has always had more wealthy international kids. That felt sophisticated to me back then, and like a money grab now that we're living in an age where private high schools bring into wealthy international for full pay.

ND kids and alum, all these years later, are devoted and involved. I have a friend who at least a couple times a year goes to a bar in NY to watch football with other ND people. I think that kind of stuff is key for men, who can otherwise struggle with adult friendships that are their own and not just "friend of the husband of my wife's friend" etc.

As someone pointed out, ND is the dream school for a lot of people and that spirit shows up in current students and alum. Georgetown was on the list a college counselor put together and it was the best they got into.

ND has a lot more money. Better merit, better FA, more money for research.

ND is very easy to switch between colleges and it's almost encouraged.

ND has a lot more school spirit stuff/goofy campus events and kids actually participate.

ND has better sports, currently.

ND has better food.

ND is more Catholic.

ND a bit more conservative, although both are more left than the country as a whole and neither are as left as many top 10 campuses.

ND has a far better accepted students weekend. I had one kid who did both and one was all "you're here! you're HOME! now let's all do something in a group that get kids involved and then meet with the President for an inspiring speech and then go have a 1am pancake breakfast etc etc etc". Georgetown was an overnight with a shrug and a "of course you're coming here" non-plussed vibe.

ND is happier.

Georgetown has better location for school-year internships.

Georgetown felt like a better place for women in the 1990s, by a lot, but I think that's no longer true. But not sure.

SFS is top in class in this area.

Hard to switch btw colleges at Georgetown and also lacking some major things like Engineering, so be sure you're not interested in this.

Georgetown better thought of by rich families in Middle East and Asia.

Georgetown is cooler.

I went to Brown thinking is was a cross btw the things I like about both (and other schools) -- which is insane but I loved my time anyway. Which is to say, go with your vibe check.

Except for Mendoza. It's not easy to switch into the business program.
My kid chose ND primarily for the program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those two pies make Georgetown look way more regional. NY/NJ/va and California. Whereas ND has a lot more beefier slices.

+1 Georgetown is much more regional. Notre Dame is one of the few schools that is a truly national student body.

Yet, when you attend there, it really FEELS Midwestern. That is the predominant setting that you really cannot get around. So be prepared if you go.

— ND grad

Never thought I would like midwestern, until I was exposed to it when my daughter attended. It is quite warm, inclusive, and collaborative sense of community. Vs. DC's cutthroat, cold, and disjointed environment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those two pies make Georgetown look way more regional. NY/NJ/va and California. Whereas ND has a lot more beefier slices.

+1 Georgetown is much more regional. Notre Dame is one of the few schools that is a truly national student body.

Yet, when you attend there, it really FEELS Midwestern. That is the predominant setting that you really cannot get around. So be prepared if you go.

— ND grad

Never thought I would like midwestern, until I was exposed to it when my daughter attended. It is quite warm, inclusive, and collaborative sense of community. Vs. DC's cutthroat, cold, and disjointed environment.

I agree. It’s weird that the ND grad says it like it’s a bad thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DD applied to both ND and Georgetown early action. We really think she'll get into both and are already discussing the differences, the pros and cons. Any insights on the schools from people who have kids there now. Things besides academics as both are great in that regard. Thank you.

What is your Catholic ideology, if any? I say this because Georgetown is Jesuit and more liberal whereas ND is very conservative.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those two pies make Georgetown look way more regional. NY/NJ/va and California. Whereas ND has a lot more beefier slices.

+1 Georgetown is much more regional. Notre Dame is one of the few schools that is a truly national student body.

Yet, when you attend there, it really FEELS Midwestern. That is the predominant setting that you really cannot get around. So be prepared if you go.

— ND grad

Yes, Notre Dame in the Midwest. If you don't want a school that FEELS Midwestern, if you prefer the east/west coast...why would you go to a school in the Midwest and not on the east/west coast? I...don't understand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those two pies make Georgetown look way more regional. NY/NJ/va and California. Whereas ND has a lot more beefier slices.

+1 Georgetown is much more regional. Notre Dame is one of the few schools that is a truly national student body.

Yet, when you attend there, it really FEELS Midwestern. That is the predominant setting that you really cannot get around. So be prepared if you go.

— ND grad

Yes, Notre Dame in the Midwest. If you don't want a school that FEELS Midwestern, if you prefer the east/west coast...why would you go to a school in the Midwest and not on the east/west coast? I...don't understand.

+1 reminds me of the people who are like...does [insert Midwestern/Southern state school] have a lot of students from [insert state]? I don't want it to feel too Southern/Midwestern! Like, if you don't like the South or the Midwest, why would you not just make things easier on yourself and not consider colleges in those locales? lol.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP. I agree that CDS is best source for comparing racial makeup.

I went ahead and did my own analysis, excluding and including nonresidents. Nonresidents, as we know, is a mix of races. And GU has a large proportion of nonresidents. Excluding this category gives you more of an apples to apples analysis. The key differences when excluding nonresidents are that the % of whites narrows and the % of Asians widens.

Regardless of this, the glaring thing here is that the % of Hispanics at GU is abysmal compared to ND. I am not surprised at the low % of Asians at ND mainly because of its high Catholic population. There really aren't many Catholic Asians. GU really needs to work on making admissions easier for Hispanic population. For a Catholic school, this is unacceptable.



Sources: https://www3.nd.edu/~instres/CDS/2022-2023/CDS_2022-2023.pdf
https://georgetown.app.box.com/s/v9kfgo65p6hy1o3pxc3v2ddsvwxcwksv

They are both private schools. What is a "non-resident?"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I applied to both these schools back in the day when we didn't research as much (along with Catholic University)! Got rejected from Georgetown (I was very surprised haha), got into ND, and went to my state schools honors college on a full ride.

We know a few kids that got into an Ivy and rejected from Georgetown. Quite a few of friends at UVA that were rejected from GU.

GU is a very hard admit, especially around here. I think our public HS had only 1 admit last year.

You have to remember- USNWR cites an 11% acceptance rate, but GU is not on common app, it REQUIRES standardized testing and every sitting, there are 4 essays, an interview is required and they like to see AP exam scores. SO--that is why they don't drive up application numbers to get a falsely lower admit rate.

It's likely more like a 7% admit rate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I applied to both these schools back in the day when we didn't research as much (along with Catholic University)! Got rejected from Georgetown (I was very surprised haha), got into ND, and went to my state schools honors college on a full ride.

We know a few kids that got into an Ivy and rejected from Georgetown. Quite a few of friends at UVA that were rejected from GU.

GU is a very hard admit, especially around here. I think our public HS had only 1 admit last year.

You have to remember- USNWR cites an 11% acceptance rate, but GU is not on common app, it REQUIRES standardized testing and every sitting, there are 4 essays, an interview is required and they like to see AP exam scores. SO--that is why they don't drive up application numbers to get a falsely lower admit rate.

It's likely more like a 7% admit rate.

My husband was rejected from GU (his first choice) and ended up at Hopkins.