COGAT Scores

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Anonymous wrote:Are they looking at age percentile or grade percentile? My child is young for her grade. Her percentiles for age are 86,77, 99,95 but it’s 76,60(!),98,89 for grade level.

Where do you see the percentiles?

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Score report came in mail on Friday

[Anonymous]

You need to look at the stanines. If you are all 9s, then you’re golden.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are they looking at age percentile or grade percentile? My child is young for her grade. Her percentiles for age are 86,77, 99,95 but it’s 76,60(!),98,89 for grade level.

They use the age percentiles. Technically, they use the SAS, which is the age adjusted standard score.

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Anonymous wrote:You need to look at the stanines. If you are all 9s, then you’re golden.

What if it’s 6 for V, 9 for Q, 9 for NV and 9 for composite?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You need to look at the stanines. If you are all 9s, then you’re golden.

What if it’s 6 for V, 9 for Q, 9 for NV and 9 for composite?

Scores aren't the end all and be all. Is the lower verbal score representative of your child's abilities, or is the score a bit of an anomaly? If your kid is above grade level in language arts, is a strong writer, and otherwise presents as being advanced in language arts, the score won't make or break your child's chances. On the other hand, if your child consistently looks pretty average in language arts, then your child most likely will not be accepted for LIV. In this case, this would be a good thing, since your child would be better suited for advanced math and gen ed language arts.

If your child has a high iready reading score, see if that can be included in the file or find a way to use it in the parent questionnaire or referral form. Point out any and all ways that your child is demonstrating advanced ability in language arts in your parent forms. Make sure you include a strong writing sample in your submission packet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You need to look at the stanines. If you are all 9s, then you’re golden.

What if it’s 6 for V, 9 for Q, 9 for NV and 9 for composite?

Scores aren't the end all and be all. Is the lower verbal score representative of your child's abilities, or is the score a bit of an anomaly? If your kid is above grade level in language arts, is a strong writer, and otherwise presents as being advanced in language arts, the score won't make or break your child's chances. On the other hand, if your child consistently looks pretty average in language arts, then your child most likely will not be accepted for LIV. In this case, this would be a good thing, since your child would be better suited for advanced math and gen ed language arts.

If your child has a high iready reading score, see if that can be included in the file or find a way to use it in the parent questionnaire or referral form. Point out any and all ways that your child is demonstrating advanced ability in language arts in your parent forms. Make sure you include a strong writing sample in your submission packet.

Thanks. This is very helpful.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Center school, high SES
Nnat 155
Vqn 155
Verbal 132

Chances? Thx

You should be good with that VQN, but it will be important that the GBRS and school-provided work samples align with the test scores. Scores that high could be considered a red flag for prepping (particularly if you're in an area known for prepping) and have the potential to work against you if the other application materials don't corroborate a high level of giftedness.

This. If those are unprepped scored, it should be immediately obvious to everyone who meets your kid that they are crazy smart. That will mean perfect (or close to it) GBRS with good supporting examples and work samples demonstrating giftedness. Without these things, they will assume you prepped. There are always a few people here reporting that they had very high test scores and did not get in.

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There are some kids who actually have beautiful work samples from home and school, high scores (with or without prepping-- the schools practice with the kids so all of them are at least prepped in some regard so by that standard the tests should all be invalidated), wonderful reports from teachers, and are meant to be in AAP. There are some kids who all the prepping in the world bomb on test day because they are so stressed out from parents. The teachers get the best and most accurate depiction of who these kids are as students and that is why their voice gets to be the loudest here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You need to look at the stanines. If you are all 9s, then you’re golden.

What if it’s 6 for V, 9 for Q, 9 for NV and 9 for composite?

Scores aren't the end all and be all. Is the lower verbal score representative of your child's abilities, or is the score a bit of an anomaly? If your kid is above grade level in language arts, is a strong writer, and otherwise presents as being advanced in language arts, the score won't make or break your child's chances. On the other hand, if your child consistently looks pretty average in language arts, then your child most likely will not be accepted for LIV. In this case, this would be a good thing, since your child would be better suited for advanced math and gen ed language arts.

If your child has a high iready reading score, see if that can be included in the file or find a way to use it in the parent questionnaire or referral form. Point out any and all ways that your child is demonstrating advanced ability in language arts in your parent forms. Make sure you include a strong writing sample in your submission packet.

Not the OP, but the problem is that Advanced math isn't guaranteed. Understanding each school is different, but at ours, if the LLIV class is filled, there are no additional spots for the Advanced math student to drop in. My child got 99% in Iready and COGAT for quantitative, but will likely miss out based on a mediocre verbal score and an 84% in reading iready. We honestly don't want advanced LA nor see the value in the offering, but will try and likely protest the inevitable LLIV decision because it will potentially lock us out of advanced math.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You need to look at the stanines. If you are all 9s, then you’re golden.

What if it’s 6 for V, 9 for Q, 9 for NV and 9 for composite?

Scores aren't the end all and be all. Is the lower verbal score representative of your child's abilities, or is the score a bit of an anomaly? If your kid is above grade level in language arts, is a strong writer, and otherwise presents as being advanced in language arts, the score won't make or break your child's chances. On the other hand, if your child consistently looks pretty average in language arts, then your child most likely will not be accepted for LIV. In this case, this would be a good thing, since your child would be better suited for advanced math and gen ed language arts.

If your child has a high iready reading score, see if that can be included in the file or find a way to use it in the parent questionnaire or referral form. Point out any and all ways that your child is demonstrating advanced ability in language arts in your parent forms. Make sure you include a strong writing sample in your submission packet.

Not the OP, but the problem is that Advanced math isn't guaranteed. Understanding each school is different, but at ours, if the LLIV class is filled, there are no additional spots for the Advanced math student to drop in. My child got 99% in Iready and COGAT for quantitative, but will likely miss out based on a mediocre verbal score and an 84% in reading iready. We honestly don't want advanced LA nor see the value in the offering, but will try and likely protest the inevitable LLIV decision because it will potentially lock us out of advanced math.

And this is where the system fails. They need Advanced Math and Advanced LA and shift kids to the groups that they need. DS was accepted into LIV and we deferred. He needs Advanced Math, he needs more then Advanced Math but that is a different story. He doesn't need Advanced LA. Honestly, his writing is probably at grade level and could use improvement. We have friends whose kids need Advanced LA but not Advanced Math. Both groups have an incentive to push for LIV because the only way to guarantee the services you need is to be in LIV. It is a mess.

[Anonymous]

We just got CoGAT scores for our daughter who is in 2nd grade. The verbal scores is blank. Does anyone know what's going on?

She was sick on the the week they were testing CoGAT. All the kids took it on Tue/Wed, but she ended up taking the test on Fri/Monday. Did the school miss something?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We just got CoGAT scores for our daughter who is in 2nd grade. The verbal scores is blank. Does anyone know what's going on?

She was sick on the the week they were testing CoGAT. All the kids took it on Tue/Wed, but she ended up taking the test on Fri/Monday. Did the school miss something?

Don't know - but it is a 3-battery test, typically over 3 days, not a 2...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We just got CoGAT scores for our daughter who is in 2nd grade. The verbal scores is blank. Does anyone know what's going on?

She was sick on the the week they were testing CoGAT. All the kids took it on Tue/Wed, but she ended up taking the test on Fri/Monday. Did the school miss something?

Don't know - but it is a 3-battery test, typically over 3 days, not a 2...

Ack! They never told us that she missed a test! She got 99 percentile in quantities and non verbal. Is there anyplace she can take the test privately?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We just got CoGAT scores for our daughter who is in 2nd grade. The verbal scores is blank. Does anyone know what's going on?

She was sick on the the week they were testing CoGAT. All the kids took it on Tue/Wed, but she ended up taking the test on Fri/Monday. Did the school miss something?

Don't know - but it is a 3-battery test, typically over 3 days, not a 2...

Ack! They never told us that she missed a test! She got 99 percentile in quantities and non verbal. Is there anyplace she can take the test privately?

Yes but I wouldn’t do that. I doubt that you could get in and take the test with results by the deadline and I don’t think they are that important. She missed a day due to illness but the overall scores are strong. You can be in-pool off of sub scores so she is not likely to be left out of the pool because of the missing score. Parent refer to be safe but the lack of one of the scores is not going to be held against her by the Committee.