Confused About Live-In Nanny Law

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What kind of person would take this job though? It basically would have to be someone with no life, and no hope of ever really having one.
Someone couldn't do this if they had kids, or a spouse. Or if they were still "young" and going to school (with that schedule, no time for classes, even night school!)
It can't be someone that has any friends, no real time to see them. Or that has a hobby, no time for that.

I'm picturing a mid 40's, socially awkward, chubby woman (no time to workout.)

She said that it is more common in her culture. I don't know if she's part of an immigrant community or a religious one, but I'm guessing that the kind of person who would be interested is someone with few resources, who needs a place to live, and would like to be part of a family.

So, I'm guessing a young woman in her religion (if this is a religious culture), who is ready to move away from home and save some money for college, but whose family (and she) would prefer that she is in a family setting. Or, a recent immigrant (if this is an immigrant culture) who would like the cultural aspects of being part of an American household, feels safer in a family setting than on her own, needs a place to live, and doesn't know a lot of people yet.

If someone is not interested in going to school, or wants to take an online class or two, this might be a perfectly good gig for a year. Not everyone is a professional nanny looking to keep work and home life separate. There still are quite a few women who want to turn their natural affinity for children and their ability to run a home into something they get paid for.

There are also professional nannies who prefer to live-in.

The consensus here seems to be that a professional live-in nanny would want set hours and a very defined set of expectations. OP wants more flexibility than that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What kind of person would take this job though? It basically would have to be someone with no life, and no hope of ever really having one.
Someone couldn't do this if they had kids, or a spouse. Or if they were still "young" and going to school (with that schedule, no time for classes, even night school!)
It can't be someone that has any friends, no real time to see them. Or that has a hobby, no time for that.

I'm picturing a mid 40's, socially awkward, chubby woman (no time to workout.)

She said that it is more common in her culture. I don't know if she's part of an immigrant community or a religious one, but I'm guessing that the kind of person who would be interested is someone with few resources, who needs a place to live, and would like to be part of a family.

So, I'm guessing a young woman in her religion (if this is a religious culture), who is ready to move away from home and save some money for college, but whose family (and she) would prefer that she is in a family setting. Or, a recent immigrant (if this is an immigrant culture) who would like the cultural aspects of being part of an American household, feels safer in a family setting than on her own, needs a place to live, and doesn't know a lot of people yet.

If someone is not interested in going to school, or wants to take an online class or two, this might be a perfectly good gig for a year. Not everyone is a professional nanny looking to keep work and home life separate. There still are quite a few women who want to turn their natural affinity for children and their ability to run a home into something they get paid for.

There are also professional nannies who prefer to live-in.

The consensus here seems to be that a professional live-in nanny would want set hours and a very defined set of expectations. OP wants more flexibility than that.

Actually, OP wants set hours (8am-8pm M-S), and she's willing to pay for it. Professional nannies prefer different schedules, and this wouldn't appeal to someone who wants M-F 8am-5pm. That's okay, but there are professionals who might want it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What kind of person would take this job though? It basically would have to be someone with no life, and no hope of ever really having one.
Someone couldn't do this if they had kids, or a spouse. Or if they were still "young" and going to school (with that schedule, no time for classes, even night school!)
It can't be someone that has any friends, no real time to see them. Or that has a hobby, no time for that.

I'm picturing a mid 40's, socially awkward, chubby woman (no time to workout.)

She said that it is more common in her culture. I don't know if she's part of an immigrant community or a religious one, but I'm guessing that the kind of person who would be interested is someone with few resources, who needs a place to live, and would like to be part of a family.

So, I'm guessing a young woman in her religion (if this is a religious culture), who is ready to move away from home and save some money for college, but whose family (and she) would prefer that she is in a family setting. Or, a recent immigrant (if this is an immigrant culture) who would like the cultural aspects of being part of an American household, feels safer in a family setting than on her own, needs a place to live, and doesn't know a lot of people yet.

If someone is not interested in going to school, or wants to take an online class or two, this might be a perfectly good gig for a year. Not everyone is a professional nanny looking to keep work and home life separate. There still are quite a few women who want to turn their natural affinity for children and their ability to run a home into something they get paid for.

There are also professional nannies who prefer to live-in.

The consensus here seems to be that a professional live-in nanny would want set hours and a very defined set of expectations. OP wants more flexibility than that.

Actually, OP wants set hours (8am-8pm M-S), and she's willing to pay for it. Professional nannies prefer different schedules, and this wouldn't appeal to someone who wants M-F 8am-5pm. That's okay, but there are professionals who might want it.

Actually, she said she wanted someone who would help after hours, and might get up over night.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What kind of person would take this job though? It basically would have to be someone with no life, and no hope of ever really having one.
Someone couldn't do this if they had kids, or a spouse. Or if they were still "young" and going to school (with that schedule, no time for classes, even night school!)
It can't be someone that has any friends, no real time to see them. Or that has a hobby, no time for that.

I'm picturing a mid 40's, socially awkward, chubby woman (no time to workout.)

She said that it is more common in her culture. I don't know if she's part of an immigrant community or a religious one, but I'm guessing that the kind of person who would be interested is someone with few resources, who needs a place to live, and would like to be part of a family.

So, I'm guessing a young woman in her religion (if this is a religious culture), who is ready to move away from home and save some money for college, but whose family (and she) would prefer that she is in a family setting. Or, a recent immigrant (if this is an immigrant culture) who would like the cultural aspects of being part of an American household, feels safer in a family setting than on her own, needs a place to live, and doesn't know a lot of people yet.

If someone is not interested in going to school, or wants to take an online class or two, this might be a perfectly good gig for a year. Not everyone is a professional nanny looking to keep work and home life separate. There still are quite a few women who want to turn their natural affinity for children and their ability to run a home into something they get paid for.

There are also professional nannies who prefer to live-in.

The consensus here seems to be that a professional live-in nanny would want set hours and a very defined set of expectations. OP wants more flexibility than that.

Actually, OP wants set hours (8am-8pm M-S), and she's willing to pay for it. Professional nannies prefer different schedules, and this wouldn't appeal to someone who wants M-F 8am-5pm. That's okay, but there are professionals who might want it.

Actually, she said she wanted someone who would help after hours, and might get up over night.

Really? I didn't see where she said that she wanted after 8 pm. Nor did I see where she said she definitely wanted overnight care. If that's what she wants, it's 24/6 care, and it's major overtime, but the nanny would definitely be a professional.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thanks for the replies, all!

" It sounds to me like you want availability for 72 hours per week, but don't actually intend to use all of those hours, and in that case, that might be of interest to the nanny."

Yes, this is it exactly. She would be free to run errands, meet friends etc - just work it out with grandma to make sure someone is there.

I talked to a couple of nannies at my son's preschool, and they said that this setup is actually very common in the more ethnic communities of Rockville, but that DCUM is more American ladies so it's a bit different Which makes sense! Those nannies both are paid $1000/week, which I could definitely do, and it's just a more casual, family-like setup which is what I was envisioning. They also both have grandparents living in the house - it's very common in our culture.

Nanny would have a private bedroom and bath, of course! And I'm happy to pay her while toddler is in school, she can use that time to rest.

Well, we will see what is best. Maybe it's better to just have a live-out nanny with set hours, unless the right person comes along who is interested.

Yea, our civilized culture has something called labor laws, unlike the motherland. Maybe consider adapting and leave your 3rd world backwater ways back home. We don't want our country turned into a 3r world shit hole.

[Anonymous]

Many nannies would find a $4,000/month position with room and board included quite attractive.

[Anonymous]

Be aware that in MD a live in nanny is entitled to overtime for over 40 hours in a week and all nannies are hourly employees. For 72 hours you cannot legally pay less than $770 a week.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Many nannies would find a $4,000/month position with room and board included quite attractive.

I agree. The right person would probably enjoy this job. I don't think she's going to find one person willing to stay for years and years, but she's paying well, willing to guarantee time off, and there are extra hands to help. She also sounds like she'd be open to adjusting if grandma suddenly became unavailable altogether.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Many nannies would find a $4,000/month position with room and board included quite attractive.

I agree. The right person would probably enjoy this job. I don't think she's going to find one person willing to stay for years and years, but she's paying well, willing to guarantee time off, and there are extra hands to help. She also sounds like she'd be open to adjusting if grandma suddenly became unavailable altogether.

I am not sure is that appealing. OP seems to be referring to a culture where house workers are exploited (at least under US standards), she wants somebody available 12 hours a day 6 days a week, the nanny would have time off "when she is not needed" , which is very vague because with little kids you may be potentially be needed a lot, especially if the parents are happy to delegate to others. having to negotiate the time off with grandma sounds especially ominous, and it sounds like the nanny would have to deal with, and take directions from, not only the mother, but also the grandma, all coming from a country where having full time help is the norm. I think OP should try to think harder about when exactly she needs the nanny during the day so she can offer a position where the nanny can have scheduled time for herself during the day and not random hours given at the last moment when grandma feels like it. maybe find somebody else for Saturday would also help, so the nanny has the weekend free.

[Anonymous]

Sounds like OP needs someone desparate straight from the slums of Bangkok. Relyung on the generosity of grandma for some relief from a 72hour work week? Working for 2 womenbfrom a culture where the domestic help is surely considered 2nd class citizens and no realnlabor laws?

Yea, i bet professional nannies will be lined up. Consideringbgoing ratenfor a live in is $12/hr and this job has 32hours of overtime, it's a $1,056/week job, plus Im SURE OP would adhere to US tax laws and file her part of employment taxes and run it all through a payroll service.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Many nannies would find a $4,000/month position with room and board included quite attractive.

I agree. The right person would probably enjoy this job. I don't think she's going to find one person willing to stay for years and years, but she's paying well, willing to guarantee time off, and there are extra hands to help. She also sounds like she'd be open to adjusting if grandma suddenly became unavailable altogether.

I am not sure is that appealing. OP seems to be referring to a culture where house workers are exploited (at least under US standards), she wants somebody available 12 hours a day 6 days a week, the nanny would have time off "when she is not needed" , which is very vague because with little kids you may be potentially be needed a lot, especially if the parents are happy to delegate to others. having to negotiate the time off with grandma sounds especially ominous, and it sounds like the nanny would have to deal with, and take directions from, not only the mother, but also the grandma, all coming from a country where having full time help is the norm. I think OP should try to think harder about when exactly she needs the nanny during the day so she can offer a position where the nanny can have scheduled time for herself during the day and not random hours given at the last moment when grandma feels like it. maybe find somebody else for Saturday would also help, so the nanny has the weekend free.

One of the PPs and professional nanny here. I've worked 24/7 twice, and in neither position did I get ANY free time unless it's was PTO, sick or vacation. I would be happy to discuss this position with OP if I was looking for another job, but I'm not currently looking. There are very few nannies who would be interested, but that just means fewer people for OP to have to interview.

[Anonymous]

I think the OP is looking for a live in housekeeper who will also help with the kids. I grew up with this scenario and have had my own live in help since I was pregnant with my first. At different stages, I have also hired a second live-in, or weekend help, or an additional person to come in once or twice a week to do the heavy cleaning. I hire an accountant to take care of all the payroll taxes.

I've never understood why most Americans are so against the live-in help setup. I grew up in California, and all my friends and 80% of my kids classmates had the same scenario. In the DMV, I can count on one hand the friends who do this. My parents still have live in help and I am very grateful that I don't have to worry about them accepting help as they age.

OP - You can place adds in community newspapers to find this sort of help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the OP is looking for a live in housekeeper who will also help with the kids. I grew up with this scenario and have had my own live in help since I was pregnant with my first. At different stages, I have also hired a second live-in, or weekend help, or an additional person to come in once or twice a week to do the heavy cleaning. I hire an accountant to take care of all the payroll taxes.

I've never understood why most Americans are so against the live-in help setup. I grew up in California, and all my friends and 80% of my kids classmates had the same scenario. In the DMV, I can count on one hand the friends who do this. My parents still have live in help and I am very grateful that I don't have to worry about them accepting help as they age.

OP - You can place adds in community newspapers to find this sort of help.

I grew up in California as well and didn't know a single person with live in help. I lived in southern Orange county--in a community often referred to in RHOC. It's definitely not the "norm" in middle class and upper middle class households there. You and 80% of your kids classmates must be extremely wealthy.

[Anonymous]

By law you must allow employers two days off and after 40 hours per week you must pay her overtime rate 2.5 times normal hourly rate. If you expect her to be available 12 hours per day you just pay her for those 12 hours and she must be given two days to rest per week. Labor laws apply to domestic workers too

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:By law you must allow employers two days off and after 40 hours per week you must pay her overtime rate 2.5 times normal hourly rate. If you expect her to be available 12 hours per day you just pay her for those 12 hours and she must be given two days to rest per week. Labor laws apply to domestic workers too

LOL you're making up your own laws, woman. 2.5 times? What else? Mandatory chocolates on the pillow?