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Anonymous wrote:It's called poor parenting and MCPS isn't social services as much as they try to be. Bring back schools for kids with behavioral issues. Staff it with mental health experts, highly trained teachers and social services personnel. Those kids get the extra support they need and kids in general schools can learn without distractions.

There are already schools like that. And mental health issues aren't usually due to poor parenting unless your parent is from Mommie Dearest or something.

A lot of people posting here are delusional. This isn't a crisis. It's too bad they aren't doing things the way you think they should work, but based on evidence these methods are effective whereas these old-time notions aren't.

With all due respect, do you work in a MCPS school? If this were five years ago I would agree with you. It used to be isolated students who needed more than the neighborhood schools were able to provide. These last five years have turned our schools upside down. I have packs of 10 year olds running our school. There were 6 fights last week alone...in an elementary school. One teacher was left bleeding as a result of one fight. The last one on Friday took two male upper grade teachers to hold the kids back as the more petite female teachers were basically tossed aside. I don't even work in a Title 1 school so who knows what's going on in other parts of the district.

Wow. Where do you work? Gaithersburg? Silver Spring?

It honestly sounds like the teachers are so bad the kids just don't respect them. Perhaps, the county needs to hire more effective teachers.

I agree. I volunteer with ED classes and the teachers are constantly setting off the kids in our class. Guess what, his mom is back in jail, he's having a bad day... don't yell at him for not picking up his feet when he walks. FFS!

What do you mean by "setting off" ? We're talking about older kids (middle school+ or even upper elementary) who set off the classroom in a massive way by making it impossible to teach, not someone's gait.

I'm talking about, them talking back to a teacher. I am talking about upper elementary and middle.

Most teachers are not trained to deal with kids with emotional issues and their actions set off kids to talk back and be disruptive. Even when warned, it's a bad day, they are so fricken nit picky. and yes, it's little things like.. pick up your feet, sit up straight, move your backpack... like come on, let it go... some kids are emotionally fragile and some teachers are nags and it sets kids off.

Anonymous wrote:They need a special school for kids that don't belong in a mainstream classroom. I'd like to think these are extreme cases. My kids go to a focus school and have never had experiences like the ones on this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:They need a special school for kids that don't belong in a mainstream classroom. I'd like to think these are extreme cases. My kids go to a focus school and have never had experiences like the ones on this thread.

What grades? Dig a little deeper. Seriously. Ask your kids if there are any kids who have been in fights or act out by yelling in class. You might find out more about what is actually going on.

Or, maybe you are super fortunate and don’t have any issues at your school. Which I find surprising, because this seems to come up in Focus Schools and Title 1 schools AND the W schools.

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Anonymous wrote:They need a special school for kids that don't belong in a mainstream classroom. I'd like to think these are extreme cases. My kids go to a focus school and have never had experiences like the ones on this thread.

What grades? Dig a little deeper. Seriously. Ask your kids if there are any kids who have been in fights or act out by yelling in class. You might find out more about what is actually going on.

Or, maybe you are super fortunate and don’t have any issues at your school. Which I find surprising, because this seems to come up in Focus Schools and Title 1 schools AND the W schools.

+1, honestly. I would have said there were no such issues at our Focus School back when my kids were still in early elementary, and before I had a boy in upper elementary, but now I'm concerned. The students haven't changed, but we lost a veteran principal who had basically been able to hold back the Restorative Justice tide, and the the difference has been disheartening.

I want restorative justice to work, and I am deeply concerned about the schools-to-prison pipeline, but the move away from accountability for kids at our school is directly tied to the introduction of this new program.

Anonymous wrote:https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/heatherknight/article/Lord-of-the-Flies-Attacks-bullying-chaos-15055098.php

A profile of another school struggling with budget cuts and how to implement restorative justice.

Anonymous wrote:discipline issues are correlated with class which is correlated with race

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Anonymous wrote:It's called poor parenting and MCPS isn't social services as much as they try to be. Bring back schools for kids with behavioral issues. Staff it with mental health experts, highly trained teachers and social services personnel. Those kids get the extra support they need and kids in general schools can learn without distractions.

There are already schools like that. And mental health issues aren't usually due to poor parenting unless your parent is from Mommie Dearest or something.

A lot of people posting here are delusional. This isn't a crisis. It's too bad they aren't doing things the way you think they should work, but based on evidence these methods are effective whereas these old-time notions aren't.

With all due respect, do you work in a MCPS school? If this were five years ago I would agree with you. It used to be isolated students who needed more than the neighborhood schools were able to provide. These last five years have turned our schools upside down. I have packs of 10 year olds running our school. There were 6 fights last week alone...in an elementary school. One teacher was left bleeding as a result of one fight. The last one on Friday took two male upper grade teachers to hold the kids back as the more petite female teachers were basically tossed aside. I don't even work in a Title 1 school so who knows what's going on in other parts of the district.

Wow. Where do you work? Gaithersburg? Silver Spring?

It honestly sounds like the teachers are so bad the kids just don't respect them. Perhaps, the county needs to hire more effective teachers.

I agree. I volunteer with ED classes and the teachers are constantly setting off the kids in our class. Guess what, his mom is back in jail, he's having a bad day... don't yell at him for not picking up his feet when he walks. FFS!

What do you mean by "setting off" ? We're talking about older kids (middle school+ or even upper elementary) who set off the classroom in a massive way by making it impossible to teach, not someone's gait.

I'm talking about, them talking back to a teacher. I am talking about upper elementary and middle.

Most teachers are not trained to deal with kids with emotional issues and their actions set off kids to talk back and be disruptive. Even when warned, it's a bad day, they are so fricken nit picky. and yes, it's little things like.. pick up your feet, sit up straight, move your backpack... like come on, let it go... some kids are emotionally fragile and some teachers are nags and it sets kids off.

Woah, now we need teachers to either get trained on emotional issues AND cultural issues AND make sure to limit their expectations to ZERO for kid's behavior. Got it

Anonymous wrote:Restorative Justice = just another way for home values in the W school districts to increase. The rich get richer...

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Anonymous wrote:Restorative Justice = just another way for home values in the W school districts to increase. The rich get richer...

The segregated schools?

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Anonymous wrote:Restorative Justice = just another way for home values in the W school districts to increase. The rich get richer...

The segregated schools?

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Anonymous wrote:It's called poor parenting and MCPS isn't social services as much as they try to be. Bring back schools for kids with behavioral issues. Staff it with mental health experts, highly trained teachers and social services personnel. Those kids get the extra support they need and kids in general schools can learn without distractions.

There are already schools like that. And mental health issues aren't usually due to poor parenting unless your parent is from Mommie Dearest or something.

A lot of people posting here are delusional. This isn't a crisis. It's too bad they aren't doing things the way you think they should work, but based on evidence these methods are effective whereas these old-time notions aren't.

With all due respect, do you work in a MCPS school? If this were five years ago I would agree with you. It used to be isolated students who needed more than the neighborhood schools were able to provide. These last five years have turned our schools upside down. I have packs of 10 year olds running our school. There were 6 fights last week alone...in an elementary school. One teacher was left bleeding as a result of one fight. The last one on Friday took two male upper grade teachers to hold the kids back as the more petite female teachers were basically tossed aside. I don't even work in a Title 1 school so who knows what's going on in other parts of the district.

Wow. Where do you work? Gaithersburg? Silver Spring?

It honestly sounds like the teachers are so bad the kids just don't respect them. Perhaps, the county needs to hire more effective teachers.

I agree. I volunteer with ED classes and the teachers are constantly setting off the kids in our class. Guess what, his mom is back in jail, he's having a bad day... don't yell at him for not picking up his feet when he walks. FFS!

What do you mean by "setting off" ? We're talking about older kids (middle school+ or even upper elementary) who set off the classroom in a massive way by making it impossible to teach, not someone's gait.

I'm talking about, them talking back to a teacher. I am talking about upper elementary and middle.

Most teachers are not trained to deal with kids with emotional issues and their actions set off kids to talk back and be disruptive. Even when warned, it's a bad day, they are so fricken nit picky. and yes, it's little things like.. pick up your feet, sit up straight, move your backpack... like come on, let it go... some kids are emotionally fragile and some teachers are nags and it sets kids off.

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Anonymous wrote:It's called poor parenting and MCPS isn't social services as much as they try to be. Bring back schools for kids with behavioral issues. Staff it with mental health experts, highly trained teachers and social services personnel. Those kids get the extra support they need and kids in general schools can learn without distractions.

There are already schools like that. And mental health issues aren't usually due to poor parenting unless your parent is from Mommie Dearest or something.

A lot of people posting here are delusional. This isn't a crisis. It's too bad they aren't doing things the way you think they should work, but based on evidence these methods are effective whereas these old-time notions aren't.

With all due respect, do you work in a MCPS school? If this were five years ago I would agree with you. It used to be isolated students who needed more than the neighborhood schools were able to provide. These last five years have turned our schools upside down. I have packs of 10 year olds running our school. There were 6 fights last week alone...in an elementary school. One teacher was left bleeding as a result of one fight. The last one on Friday took two male upper grade teachers to hold the kids back as the more petite female teachers were basically tossed aside. I don't even work in a Title 1 school so who knows what's going on in other parts of the district.

Wow. Where do you work? Gaithersburg? Silver Spring?

It honestly sounds like the teachers are so bad the kids just don't respect them. Perhaps, the county needs to hire more effective teachers.

I agree. I volunteer with ED classes and the teachers are constantly setting off the kids in our class. Guess what, his mom is back in jail, he's having a bad day... don't yell at him for not picking up his feet when he walks. FFS!

What do you mean by "setting off" ? We're talking about older kids (middle school+ or even upper elementary) who set off the classroom in a massive way by making it impossible to teach, not someone's gait.

I'm talking about, them talking back to a teacher. I am talking about upper elementary and middle.

Most teachers are not trained to deal with kids with emotional issues and their actions set off kids to talk back and be disruptive. Even when warned, it's a bad day, they are so fricken nit picky. and yes, it's little things like.. pick up your feet, sit up straight, move your backpack... like come on, let it go... some kids are emotionally fragile and some teachers are nags and it sets kids off.

So is it understandable for a student to curse at a teacher for doing a roll call? That's exactly what happened to my kid's teacher the other day. She was doing this and one of the kids in her class told her to "F*ck off. Why you staring at me." Bottomline dealing with these kids are draining and I don't know how teachers can deal with this behavior on a daily basis. THen you wonder why there's high teacher turnover in these schools. I remember in the early 90s no one was allowed to talk to teachers this way. I don't know why teachers are no longer empowered to discipline their students. What a hot mess. WHere the hell did common sense go in this county??

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Anonymous wrote: I have personally been abused by students and have been told by admin that I must have done something to provoke them and also that what happened probably wasn't as bad as I thought it was and just needed to sit down with the child to work out why they felt angry enough to throw something at me or call me derogatory names.

I concur a million fold! Have had this happen to me on several occasions. Student threw a desk at me, assistant principal's first question wasn't "are you ok?" but "what did you do to provoke the student?" Another time a student "cross checked" me out of his way; principal wanted to do nothing, gave me the "kids will be kids" excuse. I managed to get a one day in class suspension for that incident when my question back to the principle was "so you are saying you cannot provide me with a safe work environment?" The principle (correctly) read that for the legal threat it was.

So by MCPS standards, neither a student throwing a desk at me, nor another shoving me out a door were considered serious. These are the sort of "minor" infractions MCPS lets slip. My read of the article is just because one "Byron Johns, chair of the Montgomery County chapter of the NAACP Parents’ Council" CLAIMS the events are minor, doesn't necessarily mean they are minor. Or maybe he just used to pistol-whip his teachers back in the day, sees nothing wrong with these little angels tossing desks, breaking chromebooks, and so forth.