Vent: clueless dh

Anonymous
It's a shame you married such an asshole OP. You have to try to get what help you can out of him, and do whatever you need to do to get it. He doesn't deserve you trying to tiptoe around and be nice about it. Stand up for yourself cause he's never gonna just volunteer to do the right thing.

Also, I get that you are in this situation so it behooves you to see him in a better light, but I think you need to start being honest about who he is- not clueless, at all. This is not typical DH behavior. He is and always has been a jerk.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote: When I was 9 months pregnant and couldn't see my feet and bend over to reach my shoes, I asked him to help me with zipping up my boots. His response- "I don't want to set a bad precedent." I put the damn boots on myself by lying on the couch, thinking what a jerk he was.


Anonymous
he doesn;t sound clueless at all..just more like a self absorbed asshole
Anonymous
Op here. Reading this is truly depressing me. It doesn't help that we've barely spent any time together alone since our second was born.

To answer some questions:
I married him because I fell for him. And early on, I decided he was the one.
He is actually good with the kids and helps out a lot with our older child.
Yes, I do think he thinks the baby is more my domain. Hence I carry the baby and diaper bag most of the time.
No, he's not from a culture that doesn't help wives and with kids. But he comes from a family where that was the situation. And so did I.

He's selfish. It's something we've always fought about. I draw the line at calling him an asshole, but yes, he's very selfish. He's actually much better now with that then he was when I first met him. I paid the bill on our first date. He kept procrastinating on proposing to me, so finally I proposed, he said, uh sure. He always steals food right out of my hand as I'm eating. He suggested I drive myself into the hospital when I went into labor, so he didn't have to come pick me up. I said, no, you need to pick me up. I carried my overnight bag into the hospital when I was in labor, with both kids. He even stuffed some of his own things into my bag and let me carry it. The first time I was in the hospital bed, in labor and dilated, he told me he was going to go out and get some stuff done. I said, you are not going ANYWHERE.

He claims he doesn't do conventional things for me like open doors, carry groceries in, etc, because it reinforces the idea that women are less capable than men. And he doesn't want to send that message to his daughter. He hates all conventional girl things, like fashion, makeup, anything pink, because he thinks these things serve to make women stupid and weak. So he's not your typical asshole. He's something else entirely, but still completely infuriating.

How have I coped? Most times I live in this fantasy in my head, that I am single. So that I expect nothing from him, and if he does do something for me, it is a pleasant surprise. A bonus. Because the alternative would be that we would fight every single day and I'd be angry all the time. And he fights dirty. If he feels attacked or criticized, his response is to hurt me as deeply as possible. So... We rarely fight. Yes, I know it's completely dysfunctional. But it's where we're at. Also I think of that book "a thousand splendid suns" (abusive husband) and I am able to feel grateful for what I have.
Anonymous
OP, I'm so sorry. No advice, because I don't know what I would do in your situation. But it's really sad, when you could have a happy marriage with a good partner who will be a good role model and father to his children. Instead of what you have now.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Op here. Reading this is truly depressing me. It doesn't help that we've barely spent any time together alone since our second was born.

To answer some questions:
I married him because I fell for him. And early on, I decided he was the one.
He is actually good with the kids and helps out a lot with our older child.
Yes, I do think he thinks the baby is more my domain. Hence I carry the baby and diaper bag most of the time.
No, he's not from a culture that doesn't help wives and with kids. But he comes from a family where that was the situation. And so did I.

He's selfish. It's something we've always fought about. I draw the line at calling him an asshole, but yes, he's very selfish. He's actually much better now with that then he was when I first met him. I paid the bill on our first date. He kept procrastinating on proposing to me, so finally I proposed, he said, uh sure. He always steals food right out of my hand as I'm eating. He suggested I drive myself into the hospital when I went into labor, so he didn't have to come pick me up. I said, no, you need to pick me up. I carried my overnight bag into the hospital when I was in labor, with both kids. He even stuffed some of his own things into my bag and let me carry it. The first time I was in the hospital bed, in labor and dilated, he told me he was going to go out and get some stuff done. I said, you are not going ANYWHERE.

He claims he doesn't do conventional things for me like open doors, carry groceries in, etc, because it reinforces the idea that women are less capable than men. And he doesn't want to send that message to his daughter. He hates all conventional girl things, like fashion, makeup, anything pink, because he thinks these things serve to make women stupid and weak. So he's not your typical asshole. He's something else entirely, but still completely infuriating.

How have I coped? Most times I live in this fantasy in my head, that I am single. So that I expect nothing from him, and if he does do something for me, it is a pleasant surprise. A bonus. Because the alternative would be that we would fight every single day and I'd be angry all the time. And he fights dirty. If he feels attacked or criticized, his response is to hurt me as deeply as possible. So... We rarely fight. Yes, I know it's completely dysfunctional. But it's where we're at. Also I think of that book "a thousand splendid suns" (abusive husband) and I am able to feel grateful for what I have.

Oh my God OP. I know you have to cope for now but...please don't stop short of calling him an asshole. Read the bolded- if all of this doesn't make him one, what would it take? I don't want to make you feel bad, but you can do better. I'm really sorry.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Op here. Reading this is truly depressing me. It doesn't help that we've barely spent any time together alone since our second was born.

To answer some questions:
I married him because I fell for him. And early on, I decided he was the one.
He is actually good with the kids and helps out a lot with our older child.
Yes, I do think he thinks the baby is more my domain. Hence I carry the baby and diaper bag most of the time.
No, he's not from a culture that doesn't help wives and with kids. But he comes from a family where that was the situation. And so did I.

He's selfish. It's something we've always fought about. I draw the line at calling him an asshole, but yes, he's very selfish. He's actually much better now with that then he was when I first met him. I paid the bill on our first date. He kept procrastinating on proposing to me, so finally I proposed, he said, uh sure. He always steals food right out of my hand as I'm eating. He suggested I drive myself into the hospital when I went into labor, so he didn't have to come pick me up. I said, no, you need to pick me up. I carried my overnight bag into the hospital when I was in labor, with both kids. He even stuffed some of his own things into my bag and let me carry it. The first time I was in the hospital bed, in labor and dilated, he told me he was going to go out and get some stuff done. I said, you are not going ANYWHERE.

He claims he doesn't do conventional things for me like open doors, carry groceries in, etc, because it reinforces the idea that women are less capable than men. And he doesn't want to send that message to his daughter. He hates all conventional girl things, like fashion, makeup, anything pink, because he thinks these things serve to make women stupid and weak. So he's not your typical asshole. He's something else entirely, but still completely infuriating.

How have I coped? Most times I live in this fantasy in my head, that I am single. So that I expect nothing from him, and if he does do something for me, it is a pleasant surprise. A bonus. Because the alternative would be that we would fight every single day and I'd be angry all the time. And he fights dirty. If he feels attacked or criticized, his response is to hurt me as deeply as possible. So... We rarely fight. Yes, I know it's completely dysfunctional. But it's where we're at. Also I think of that book "a thousand splendid suns" (abusive husband) and I am able to feel grateful for what I have.


Out of everything I've read on dcum this takes the cake. Wow. I can't imagine why on earth you're with this man. Unbelievable.
Anonymous
Damn, this makes me so sad. OP, would you consider counseling, solo, to try to figure out why you are with this guy and whether you want to stay with him? Humans help other humans who are carrying heavy loads or trying to wrangle two kids. It has zero to do with gender constructs. I want to believe that this will not be your life forever, whether that means making him see the light or just leaving him altogether. It just sounds so awful.
Anonymous
OP. you sound like you could benefit from counseling. You made a bad decision marrying this man. Divorce is not the solution (yet) because he will continue to treat you this way, set a bad example for the kids and worst of all you will pick another one just like him.
Funny when i read your post it reminded me a little bit of a thousand splendid suns! Your husband does not cherish you, he is unkind to you and seems to resent you. My ex husband was like this, so I understand the dynamic and the coping. Maybe i am projecting because of my own experience - but i cannot help it, it is so hard to hear of someone else living this way. A few counseling sessions and a long period of self-reflection helped me realize how I got where i was. Now i am with a man who adores me and I am hooked on a healthy, functional relationship but it has been a very long road. Please Op, go back and retrace your steps - why was this man attractive to you in the first place? Do you feel you don't deserve to be cherished? Why? Please find a counselor to help you through this. The idea of you spending your life with this man is depressing to strangers on the Internet - doesn't that tell you something?!
MommaRN
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Anonymous wrote:Op here. Reading this is truly depressing me. It doesn't help that we've barely spent any time together alone since our second was born.

To answer some questions:
I married him because I fell for him. And early on, I decided he was the one.
He is actually good with the kids and helps out a lot with our older child.
Yes, I do think he thinks the baby is more my domain. Hence I carry the baby and diaper bag most of the time.
No, he's not from a culture that doesn't help wives and with kids. But he comes from a family where that was the situation. And so did I.

He's selfish. It's something we've always fought about. I draw the line at calling him an asshole, but yes, he's very selfish. He's actually much better now with that then he was when I first met him. I paid the bill on our first date. He kept procrastinating on proposing to me, so finally I proposed, he said, uh sure. He always steals food right out of my hand as I'm eating. He suggested I drive myself into the hospital when I went into labor, so he didn't have to come pick me up. I said, no, you need to pick me up. I carried my overnight bag into the hospital when I was in labor, with both kids. He even stuffed some of his own things into my bag and let me carry it. The first time I was in the hospital bed, in labor and dilated, he told me he was going to go out and get some stuff done. I said, you are not going ANYWHERE.

He claims he doesn't do conventional things for me like open doors, carry groceries in, etc, because it reinforces the idea that women are less capable than men. And he doesn't want to send that message to his daughter. He hates all conventional girl things, like fashion, makeup, anything pink, because he thinks these things serve to make women stupid and weak. So he's not your typical asshole. He's something else entirely, but still completely infuriating.

How have I coped? Most times I live in this fantasy in my head, that I am single. So that I expect nothing from him, and if he does do something for me, it is a pleasant surprise. A bonus. Because the alternative would be that we would fight every single day and I'd be angry all the time. And he fights dirty. If he feels attacked or criticized, his response is to hurt me as deeply as possible. So... We rarely fight. Yes, I know it's completely dysfunctional. But it's where we're at. Also I think of that book "a thousand splendid suns" (abusive husband) and I am able to feel grateful for what I have.


What kind of message are YOU sending to your daughter? Being a doormat for the self-absorbed prick that YOU proposed to is not the message you want to send, I'm sure. For the sake of your children, OP, get counseling and make a plan to get out
Anonymous
In the interim, maybe get a snap and go so you don't have to lug the car seat? My car seat is so heavy so this is what I do.
Anonymous
Op again. I'm in tears. I'm not sure it's just pms hormones or if it's because I'm realizing I've been living in denial for a decade, and that perhaps I did marry the wrong guy, and I'm only realizing it after having two children with him. I've always spoken highly of him to everyone close to me. I've even been in therapy before and I've always painted him as a really good guy to my therapist, that he was perfectly normal and that there was something wrong with me that I needed to fix.

Does it really sound that bad? Consider that you are just hearing the bad parts here. There are good parts too, although they seem fewer now than before. Also, you're hearing one perspective. I was a little shocked at the responses.... I honestly did not expect it. The mere thought of putting the kids through divorce is breaking my heart right now.

When our older child was younger, we used to put on act as if we were parents in love with each other. Because I wanted dc to see that her parents loved each other. But I can't bring myself to do it anymore, at least not well.
Anonymous
Op, I can't imagine a situation where any human would refuse to help a pregnant lady put on her boots. A stranger in the street would do it, I can't imagine having a life partner who would flat out refuse when asked. Something is very wrong and broken with that man. I understand it's hard when you have kids. For their sake I would try counseling with him first. Big hugs.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Op again. I'm in tears. I'm not sure it's just pms hormones or if it's because I'm realizing I've been living in denial for a decade, and that perhaps I did marry the wrong guy, and I'm only realizing it after having two children with him. I've always spoken highly of him to everyone close to me. I've even been in therapy before and I've always painted him as a really good guy to my therapist, that he was perfectly normal and that there was something wrong with me that I needed to fix.

Does it really sound that bad? Consider that you are just hearing the bad parts here. There are good parts too, although they seem fewer now than before. Also, you're hearing one perspective. I was a little shocked at the responses.... I honestly did not expect it. The mere thought of putting the kids through divorce is breaking my heart right now.

When our older child was younger, we used to put on act as if we were parents in love with each other. Because I wanted dc to see that her parents loved each other. But I can't bring myself to do it anymore, at least not well.

OP yes, it sounds really bad, even given that it's only your side of the story and even given that you say there are good things we aren't hearing too. What you've described is just a really unkind way to treat a fellow person, let alone your spouse. I really think you should start seeing a therapist again, alone, and don't be afraid to be completely honest.
Please don't be too upset, people here are pointing this out to try to help you, not to be unkind. I truly wish you the best.
Anonymous
OP, if one of your children is a boy, you are modeling that the way your DH treats you is the ideal in a marriage, and if your children are girls, you are modeling that the way your DH treats you is ideal.

It's not.

Can you imagine advising your daughter to marry a man just like her father, who will treat her just like your DH treats you? Or telling your son that he should treat his fiance like that?
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