Anonymous wrote:I asked Muslima for an explanation for the killing in the kosher grocery. "She" responded by calling me "Buddy" and not answering the question. I find 'buddy" an odd choice of words from a Muslim woman.

Muslima wrote:You, again! This is not the first time and I bet it won't be the last that you are following me from thread to thread bringing your grievances about Muslim women's equality and women's captives and again talking about a version of the facts that only exists in your head. Give it up! That ship has sailed, move on!

To all accusing me of proselytizing, promoting my version of x or y, with your limited vision, steadfast opinions and misplaced assumptions, you really are not qualified to determine what my motivations are, why I choose to engage in some debates and not in others, or why I am here. May I remind you politely that you do not know me, you are not in my head and you don't have a magic ball. You think things are a certain way due to the factors you focus on because you judge every single one of my posts based on your own prejudices. You distort things that I say, you misquote me, you misquote the Qur'an, you create your own narrative of who you think I am, what I say and replay it on every single thread, maybe you wish that I would just disappear, maybe you wish to silence me and have me hide behind my hijab or niqab and bow to your glorious ideas of western supremacy and eastern savagery. You want to promote your false narrative of evil Islam and oppressed brainwashed Muslim women who need to be saved by western freedom and values as if we Muslim women, were all passive victims of our beliefs, religion and circumstances. No wonder I puzzle you, no wonder you accuse me of being a Man because I could never be a free woman. No wonder you want to see me gone, because I show you the face of Islam you have been trying to burry for so long, I am a proud Muslim woman who loves, adores Islam, I am free, I choose Islam every single day, I love the Qu'ran and the state it has elevated me to. Every single thing that is good in me, in my life is thanks to this Qur'an and Al Islam. Every single fault, dilemma, bad character of my humble self that I try to combat is being combatted by this amazing Qu'ran and the teachings of the Man who was sent as a mercy to the world, Prophet Muhammad (saw), the perfect man. Yes, dear poster (s), I know you would have loved me so much more, had I come here and bash Islam for all of my misery, all of my limitations, and every evil in the world, you would have marched and protested with me. You would have embraced me with open arms and allow me in your "club" never questioning what my motives were or might be. But I am the opposite, the face of Islam you and every media outlet tries to hide, as if we do not exist, as if educated women like us who choose Islam every single day and have a genuine love of this religion do not exist, as if we can not advocate for ourselves based on our ideals and values, as if I must be the exception and not the norm, worse I must actually be paid to post on this forum, because clearly, I must not exist. You even accused me of being multiple people, I read you and I laugh but then I am sad for you, sad that you actually believe this and this is your reality, and I am sad because I too think that you are brainwashed. You desperately want to hold on to your false narrative, because otherwise, you might just have to change your worldview. I remind you of this whenever you read me, and that is why you want me gone.Let me be clear, you are wasting your time. I am not going anywhere and I will discuss and interject in any thread that sparks my interest, be it on Politics, Religion, Israel's policies, Islam or otherwise. Your words will not chase me away. One more thing, the fact that you think that a parenting forum would be the #1 choice for someone wanting to convert people to Islam is ridiculously crazy! To the PP who defended me, thank you for being open minded, your understanding and humanity.

Now that this is out the way, let's go back to more important things. Like a great Western 1st lady once said, "great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people". Don't make this discussion about me, it was about an interesting take on radical Islam.

Anonymous wrote:I asked Muslima for an explanation for the killing in the kosher grocery. "She" responded by calling me "Buddy" and not answering the question. I find 'buddy" an odd choice of words from a Muslim woman.

Anonymous wrote:yay Obama!

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/01/18/german-embed-reporter-isis-plans-on-killing-hundreds-of-millions-in-religious-cleansing/

Muslima wrote:You, again! This is not the first time and I bet it won't be the last that you are following me from thread to thread bringing your grievances about Muslim women's equality and women's captives and again talking about a version of the facts that only exists in your head. Give it up! That ship has sailed, move on!

To all accusing me of proselytizing, promoting my version of x or y, with your limited vision, steadfast opinions and misplaced assumptions, you really are not qualified to determine what my motivations are, why I choose to engage in some debates and not in others, or why I am here. May I remind you politely that you do not know me, you are not in my head and you don't have a magic ball. You think things are a certain way due to the factors you focus on because you judge every single one of my posts based on your own prejudices. You distort things that I say, you misquote me, you misquote the Qur'an, you create your own narrative of who you think I am, what I say and replay it on every single thread, maybe you wish that I would just disappear, maybe you wish to silence me and have me hide behind my hijab or niqab and bow to your glorious ideas of western supremacy and eastern savagery. You want to promote your false narrative of evil Islam and oppressed brainwashed Muslim women who need to be saved by western freedom and values as if we Muslim women, were all passive victims of our beliefs, religion and circumstances. No wonder I puzzle you, no wonder you accuse me of being a Man because I could never be a free woman. No wonder you want to see me gone, because I show you the face of Islam you have been trying to burry for so long, I am a proud Muslim woman who loves, adores Islam, I am free, I choose Islam every single day, I love the Qu'ran and the state it has elevated me to. Every single thing that is good in me, in my life is thanks to this Qur'an and Al Islam. Every single fault, dilemma, bad character of my humble self that I try to combat is being combatted by this amazing Qu'ran and the teachings of the Man who was sent as a mercy to the world, Prophet Muhammad (saw), the perfect man. Yes, dear poster (s), I know you would have loved me so much more, had I come here and bash Islam for all of my misery, all of my limitations, and every evil in the world, you would have marched and protested with me. You would have embraced me with open arms and allow me in your "club" never questioning what my motives were or might be. But I am the opposite, the face of Islam you and every media outlet tries to hide, as if we do not exist, as if educated women like us who choose Islam every single day and have a genuine love of this religion do not exist, as if we can not advocate for ourselves based on our ideals and values, as if I must be the exception and not the norm, worse I must actually be paid to post on this forum, because clearly, I must not exist. You even accused me of being multiple people, I read you and I laugh but then I am sad for you, sad that you actually believe this and this is your reality, and I am sad because I too think that you are brainwashed. You desperately want to hold on to your false narrative, because otherwise, you might just have to change your worldview. I remind you of this whenever you read me, and that is why you want me gone.Let me be clear, you are wasting your time. I am not going anywhere and I will discuss and interject in any thread that sparks my interest, be it on Politics, Religion, Israel's policies, Islam or otherwise. Your words will not chase me away. One more thing, the fact that you think that a parenting forum would be the #1 choice for someone wanting to convert people to Islam is ridiculously crazy! To the PP who defended me, thank you for being open minded, your understanding and humanity.

Now that this is out the way, let's go back to more important things. Like a great Western 1st lady once said, "great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people". Don't make this discussion about me, it was about an interesting take on radical Islam.

Or perhaps she is using the phrases you and some of the other posters use in a sarcastic manner.

Anonymous wrote:11:21/11:24 again. I should add that I'm quite sure that Muslima is the poster who came out with declarations that "Islam treats women captives well" and "women are equal in Islam" without any further explanation of these points. The former led to dozens of pages about whether women captives/concubines are released if/when they become pregnant, or whether freedom comes only after the Muslim slave owner dies. The latter led to about 3 pages of various posters citing Islamic divorce, inheritance and marital property laws before Muslima responded with "oh, of course I meant the Islamic idea of women's equality, which is much different from what I like to call Western 'linear' equality, and you should have known all along what I meant." (For those who weren't in on that discussion and don't know what she meant, Muslima uses the phrase 'Western linear equality' to mean 'legal equality' in laws regarding divorce and inheritance.)

Carelessness? A sincere desire to put a good face on Islam? Proselytizing? You decide, because I still can't be sure.

Anonymous wrote:
FWIW, I just read the WaPo link that somebody else posted (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/meet-the-honor-brigade-an-organized-campaign-to-silence-critics-of-islam/2015/01/16/0b002e5a-9aaf-11e4-a7ee-526210d665b4_story.html) although I had seen it yesterday and just skimmed. The PP who put it up wanted us to note the part about how Muslim apologists like you are more interested in honor than in questioning things that might need to be questioned. But there's something else about that piece that impressed me much more: it was written by a Muslim woman who's arguing for questioning the role of Muslim women in the scriptures, in the mosque where she wants to pray side by side with men, and even their right to orgasms. Now there's a face of Muslim women that I can really get enthusiastic about!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:11:21/11:24 again. I should add that I'm quite sure that Muslima is the poster who came out with declarations that "Islam treats women captives well" and "women are equal in Islam" without any further explanation of these points. The former led to dozens of pages about whether women captives/concubines are released if/when they become pregnant, or whether freedom comes only after the Muslim slave owner dies. The latter led to about 3 pages of various posters citing Islamic divorce, inheritance and marital property laws before Muslima responded with "oh, of course I meant the Islamic idea of women's equality, which is much different from what I like to call Western 'linear' equality, and you should have known all along what I meant." (For those who weren't in on that discussion and don't know what she meant, Muslima uses the phrase 'Western linear equality' to mean 'legal equality' in laws regarding divorce and inheritance.)

Carelessness? A sincere desire to put a good face on Islam? Proselytizing? You decide, because I still can't be sure.

You're entitled to your opinion. I am the poster who beat down the other Muslim poster with the truth about marriage, inheritance, captive and divorce laws, and I don't think it was Muslima. The writing styles are very different. I don't think it was her.

don't see her use that term when I search the forum. I do however see one angry poster attacking muslims and frequently using the word buddy. I think you got confused. Or perhaps she is using the phrases you and some of the other posters use in a sarcastic manner.

Anonymous wrote:

don't see her use that term when I search the forum. I do however see one angry poster attacking muslims and frequently using the word buddy. I think you got confused. Or perhaps she is using the phrases you and some of the other posters use in a sarcastic manner.

It apparently disappeared. I guess that is the advantage of being registered.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
FWIW, I just read the WaPo link that somebody else posted (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/meet-the-honor-brigade-an-organized-campaign-to-silence-critics-of-islam/2015/01/16/0b002e5a-9aaf-11e4-a7ee-526210d665b4_story.html) although I had seen it yesterday and just skimmed. The PP who put it up wanted us to note the part about how Muslim apologists like you are more interested in honor than in questioning things that might need to be questioned. But there's something else about that piece that impressed me much more: it was written by a Muslim woman who's arguing for questioning the role of Muslim women in the scriptures, in the mosque where she wants to pray side by side with men, and even their right to orgasms. Now there's a face of Muslim women that I can really get enthusiastic about!

Asra Nomani is questioning the right of Muslim women to orgasms? You sure?

Of all the Abrahamic religions, Islam seems the most protective of a woman's right to orgasms and sex. In fact, in Shia Islam, most clerics support the ruling that not having sex with your wife for four months is a sin and grounds for divorce.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
FWIW, I just read the WaPo link that somebody else posted (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/meet-the-honor-brigade-an-organized-campaign-to-silence-critics-of-islam/2015/01/16/0b002e5a-9aaf-11e4-a7ee-526210d665b4_story.html) although I had seen it yesterday and just skimmed. The PP who put it up wanted us to note the part about how Muslim apologists like you are more interested in honor than in questioning things that might need to be questioned. But there's something else about that piece that impressed me much more: it was written by a Muslim woman who's arguing for questioning the role of Muslim women in the scriptures, in the mosque where she wants to pray side by side with men, and even their right to orgasms. Now there's a face of Muslim women that I can really get enthusiastic about!

Asra Nomani is questioning the right of Muslim women to orgasms? You sure?

Of all the Abrahamic religions, Islam seems the most protective of a woman's right to orgasms and sex. In fact, in Shia Islam, most clerics support the ruling that not having sex with your wife for four months is a sin and grounds for divorce.