S/O Let's just talk about Islamic headscarves/hijabs/abayas here, shall we?
![[Post New]](/jforum/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif){kind=icon}
Anonymous
| If this form of practice is such a "joy," why aren't men asked to do it? Where's the joy for the men? |
Muslima
Member
Offline
Member
![[Avatar]](/jforum/images/avatar/851612d3c194dc64724360831ff04bf8.png)
Offline
I guessed you missed the point, it is not the scarf that gives joy, what gives joy is "faith" and the feeling of being close to the Creator, the scarf is just One aspect of a multitude of others parts of faith...Men have a different dress code that I discussed in previous posts, both men and women are required to dress modestly. Men & Women are different, equal in front of God AND of course will have a different dress code like they do in every society. You don't see men parading around in miniskirts and high heels, do you? If you wanna learn more about how men vs women are viewed in Islam |
Anonymous
|
Muslima, thank you for your explanations.
I was given another explanation a few years ago that the reason the women are covered is because other people aren't worthy of seeing her -- only her husband is. Is there a law or rule that says they can't uncover for identification? |
Muslima
Member
Offline
Member
Offline
You are quite welcome. No, she is actually required to uncover for identification if needed. Public interest and security of the nation are emphasized in Islam. Therefore, if the law requires uncovering for reasons, such as identification, the Muslim woman, like all other women, has to abide by the law. |
Anonymous
| Wow. Another falsehood cleared up. Thanks again. |
Muslima
Member
Offline
Member
Offline
No problem 
|
What's it like being Muslim? Well, it's hard to find a decent halal pizza place and occasionally there is a hashtag calling for your genocide...
Anonymous
Wait, is this a dress code, or is it a joyous religious practice? Either it's a big deal, or not a big deal. By saying it's a dress code so men don't need some special garb, you're trivializing it, but you're saying God is ordering this action, so is God ordering something trivial? It doesn't make sense. It certainly *seems* pretty trivial. The other pps above suggest that there is basically a rule to be "modest" and that it is a sign for respect and recognition, and that there's no big deal here. So what is going on? Another thing that I guess I am working with is understanding why God would order an outward sign of inner spirituality. Why would God care? The standard answer is "because God said so." Yes, but why the specificity? What does this all lead to? Pretty much anyone can tell themselves that anything that they are doing will bring them good feelings because of obedience, or faith, or what have you. Even terrorists (of any religion) say they have a feeling of peace or joy, and that is probably a result of backing up their convictions with action. Whenever people follow up their convictions with action, they feel very good! When people point out Muslim countries that have dysfunctional societies, and other people say "it's their way of practice, not the religion itself," well, that bothers me, because the form of practice should lead to faith which should lead to a functioning society. When you go to a Muslim country you see a LOT of signs of religious practice and piety and respect for religion, but the fruits of all of it are very, very poor. Basically, lots of unkindness from everyone to everyone else. So all this spiritual practice is not really leading people anywhere. |
Muslima
Member
Offline
Member
Offline
I'm glad you mentioned Muslim countries,you are assuming that every Muslim leader is following the Quran & the way of life of the Prophet saw which couldn't be further from the truth. There is a great distinction between being Islamic nations and Muslim majority nations. Most Muslim countries are ruled by dictators who do not follow anything that Islam says and are usually backed by the West, if anything Muslim countries are doomed because they have abandoned Islam long ago. Muslims in those countries are oppressed by secular & political ideologies that have nothing to do with the religion, this is the main reason why you see most often than not a clash between Muslim leaders and Muslims living under their leaderships. It is the lack of Islamic Democracy and Leadership in those countries. The Muslim world is either controlled by secular Muslims or extremely fanatic ones. What's ironic is that the Quran’s teachings are better represented in non-Muslim societies than in Islamic countries, which have failed to embrace the values of their own faith in politics, business, law and society. They use religion as an instrument of state control.We must emphasize that many countries that profess Islam and are called Islamic are unjust, corrupt, and underdeveloped and are in fact not ‘Islamic’ by any stretch of the imagination. Why do you think you hear all these Muslim groups saying they want to bring back the khilafah? I don't know if you know this, but a muslim business professor at George Washington University created something called the Islamicity Index, which ranks all countries around the world based on how closely they adhere to basic Islamic principles, laws and rules with regards to social, economic, political and human rights. The shocking results, guys… none of the muslim countries were even ranked within the top 30 lol. The top countries in both economic achievement and social values are Ireland, Demark, Luxembourg and New Zealand. Britain also ranks in the top ten. The first Muslim-majority nation is Malaysia ranking at 33, while the only other Muslim majority country in the top 50 is Kuwait at 48. Saudi Arabia rated 91st, Qatar 111st, while the US was placed at 15. For your question about is it a dress code. It is a dress code that we live by willingly, and it is joyous to us, just like you might be happy to put your suit on, well there is somewhere a muslim woman happy to tie that scarf on. Men have their own dress code again like I said it is in one of my previous posts. A man must always be covered in loose and unrevealing clothing from his navel to his knee. This is the absolute minimum covering required, he also can't shave his beard and can't wear silk or gold which are permitted to women. . For your questions of Why would God care, thats something you will have to ask Him the day you meet Him, I can't answer for him , unless of what He has revealed to us 
|
Anonymous
|
I've seen quite a few men in my life parading around in miniskirts and high heels. There are plenty of gender benders all over the world. It's ironic how offensive that line is.
Your religion (and many others) refuse to embrace people for who they are. When you lock people into specific gender roles - as identified by types of clothing - you force them to adopt behaviors and beliefs that box them in. Where's the freedom to express who they are? Isn't being true to yourself a way to connect with God? Do you have kids? Would you force your daughter to cover? What if your son told you he was gay? How does your ancient and revered text advise you to handle infidels? Do you put enough fear into your children to force them to conform to beliefs that don't sit well with them? Or do you throw out "God's words" and instead love your children for who they really are? And answer this honestly - If your son brought home his partner, where would he be the safest? here in the States or back home? Religion is controlling. It's hypocritical. It's for those who are fearful. I will not allow fear to run my life, nor will I model that for my own kids.
|
Anonymous
|
It pisses me off no end to go somewhere on a hot summer day and see little girls in long sleeves and jeans. That's just miserable and inappropriate for the weather. It's abusive. If you have to put your kids in wrist-to-ankle clothing, you could at least put them in a thin linen or khaki or cotton outfit. It's especially awful at a theme park like Six Flags, when the family is going to be there all day.
I don't care much about what adult women do, but when I see a grown woman in the US in a full black outfit, rather than just a head scarf, I have to think that there is a bit of a "fuck you" to American culture. Her family is trying to make sure that we understand that they don't approve of our culture. It's a bit rude. |
Anonymous
|
Muslima, you are saying over and over that is not Islam, those behaviors are not being done in the name of Islam.
But if large numbers of muslims over and over are saying that it is indeed mandated by Islam, that they are doing these violent acts because their religion tells them to, that women do not deserve rights because that is what Islam says, and then back it up with lassages from the Koran, then who are we to not believe what they say at face value? At least for those large numbers of people, that IS what Islam teaches. |
Anonymous
I agree. It is even worse when the boys are in weather appropriate clothing but the girls are not. |
Anonymous
American culture gives us the freedom to practice our religion and live our lives as we please. |
Muslima
Member
Offline
Member
Offline
You must be a very angry person. Do send us a photo of yourself and your children so we can all try to look like you and be like you so there's no chance of the rest of us being anti-American. First children are not required to wear the hijab, second the way parents choose to dress their children has nothing to do with you. The fact that you say there is a big fuck you to american culture when a grown woman chooses to dress the way she wants shows your narrowmindness. On a side note you are a perfect example of how liberalism and secularism are just the same as the ideologies they oppose. "Liberalism" - you can be anything you want, as long as you are liberal. "Secularism" - you can believe anything you want, as long as those beliefs are secular. |