Gay marriage -- explain the argument that it undermines heterosexual marriage

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[Post New]06/25/2011 21:19
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Aside from their respective genders, the difference is their sex, as in male or female. The argument is, that the definition of marriage is between a man and a woman. When you change that fundamental fact, it ceases to be a marriage. If you want to split hairs, I suppose yes, arranged marriages were how it began, but it has always been between a man and a woman. That part has never changed. As our culture changes, we change secondary "rules", such as prohibiting interracial marriage, raising the age of consent, etc. BUT....the sex (man/woman) of the parties involved isn't secondary. It defines the entire word.



What is it (and why is it) only for a man and a woman and not a man and a man or a woman and a woman? And how would changing it to involve homosexual couples change marriage in general? What is it about the sex of those involved that is so crucial to marriage?
[Post New]06/25/2011 21:30
zumbamama
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My married gay friends don't undermine my marriage one bit. They are not so different from hetero couples in my eyes. They are two consenting adults who fell in love and are committed to each other for life, just as DH and I are. They are parents trying to raise a family in a warm, nurturing, healthy environment, just as DH and I are. They work, pay taxes, live responsibly and peacefully just as we do, so I think they deserve the same legal benefits of marriage that we do.

Man and woman, woman and woman, man and man...as long as it is a union between two consenting adults, it doesn't matter to me what gender they are.
[Post New]06/25/2011 22:25
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:personally I find homosexuality to be an abnormal and an unhealthy lifestyle choice, but if gay couples want certain inheritance and other benefits that come only from marriage, then I really don't care. none of my business.


Unhealthy lifestyle choice? Are you talking about my sex life? If so, just go ahead and say "sex life". My lifestyle is probably like most other working moms. My sex life is about as safe as you can get. STDs are least common among lesbians and our unintended pregnancy rate is pretty much 0%.


I truly hope this is a joke. Kinda in the lined of the farce thread, right???

Your pregnancy rate is and will be zero because you CAN'T procreate!!!! If you decide to have a child yyou'll have to pay someone to impregnate you and the child will never be truly your partner's child. You know that, right? DNA stuff I you know what I mean...

Now, regarding STIs, the problem is more of "logistics" since the way lesbians have "intercourse" (haha) is not how naure designed it so there's no friction between a male and female genitalia so the chances of getting infected are diminished.

That's funny. It's kinda bragging about not being at risk for prostate cancer being a woman. LOL it doesn't make sense at all LOL


You are truly mean person, you know that right? I have no personally vested interest in this, as I am a heterosexual woman who is married, but I have a personal interest in this in terms of I find it utterly horrendous that someone would speak to another person this way. You are just gross, in the truest sense of the word, LOLing about someone? Have you no morals at all? You actually make me sick.
[Post New]06/25/2011 22:34
Anonymous
I'm reminded of a Jon Stewart interview of Melissa Etheridge on the Daily Show long ago, in which Stewart expressed comic distress that gay marriage would force him to get gay married when he really was fond of the lady-wife he already had. His reaction when Etheridge explained he was okay on that front: "Then what the fuck's the problem?!?!"
[Post New]06/25/2011 22:44
Anonymous
My closest gay friends have actually helped my hetero marriage quite a bit. They are a terrific couple, and quite level headed. I've more than my fair share of good advice from them whenever I've had marital problems. It's just terrible they have to put up with all of the shiX that comes their way because they are gay.
[Post New]06/25/2011 22:47
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Aside from their respective genders, the difference is their sex, as in male or female. The argument is, that the definition of marriage is between a man and a woman. When you change that fundamental fact, it ceases to be a marriage. If you want to split hairs, I suppose yes, arranged marriages were how it began, but it has always been between a man and a woman. That part has never changed. As our culture changes, we change secondary "rules", such as prohibiting interracial marriage, raising the age of consent, etc. BUT....the sex (man/woman) of the parties involved isn't secondary. It defines the entire word.



What is it (and why is it) only for a man and a woman and not a man and a man or a woman and a woman? And how would changing it to involve homosexual couples change marriage in general? What is it about the sex of those involved that is so crucial to marriage?


What is it about an orange that makes it an orange? Why can't we call it apple? They are both round, they are both fruit, right? Why won't you accept the fact that I was BORN loving apples and I want you to call your orange an apple. Will it change the taste of your precious orange if we call it an apple? Then why not? You know, oranges didn't always look like that. They used to be smaller. Fruits evolve over time. Let's just call it an apple. Does that "threaten" you? The biggest threat to oranges is frost, not my wanting to call it an apple. That way, we are all the same. Why don't you respect the fact that I love apples? I'm just a fucking human being, with kids, and a house, just like you, and I love apples! Don't you get it?! Call your orange an apple, you bigot!
[Post New]06/25/2011 22:47
Anonymous
I think it boils down to: marriage is for procreation. Therefore, homosexual unions are against God because those unions do not result in any issue. Of course, there were not supposed to be any out-of-wedlock issue either. I'll leave it to the theologians as to what God thinks about homosexuality now that going forth and multiplying doesn't seem to require marriage for anybody. We are long past the kind of society reflected in the Bible or in our laws. People need to look around and acknowledge that. I'm a straight woman who supports marriage equality.
[Post New]06/25/2011 23:03
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Aside from their respective genders, the difference is their sex, as in male or female. The argument is, that the definition of marriage is between a man and a woman. When you change that fundamental fact, it ceases to be a marriage. If you want to split hairs, I suppose yes, arranged marriages were how it began, but it has always been between a man and a woman. That part has never changed. As our culture changes, we change secondary "rules", such as prohibiting interracial marriage, raising the age of consent, etc. BUT....the sex (man/woman) of the parties involved isn't secondary. It defines the entire word.



What is it (and why is it) only for a man and a woman and not a man and a man or a woman and a woman? And how would changing it to involve homosexual couples change marriage in general? What is it about the sex of those involved that is so crucial to marriage?


What is it about an orange that makes it an orange? Why can't we call it apple? They are both round, they are both fruit, right? Why won't you accept the fact that I was BORN loving apples and I want you to call your orange an apple. Will it change the taste of your precious orange if we call it an apple? Then why not? You know, oranges didn't always look like that. They used to be smaller. Fruits evolve over time. Let's just call it an apple. Does that "threaten" you? The biggest threat to oranges is frost, not my wanting to call it an apple. That way, we are all the same. Why don't you respect the fact that I love apples? I'm just a fucking human being, with kids, and a house, just like you, and I love apples! Don't you get it?! Call your orange an apple, you bigot!


PP here. What are you going on about? I'm pro homosexual marriage, not against it. I was asking the former PP why s/he was so insistent that marriage had to be between a man and a woman, and if it wasn't it would somehow "change the definition of marriage".

I'm sure the OP can tell this by now - the claim that homosexuals undermine the "sanctity of marriage" is bull and cannot be explained or supported.
[Post New]06/25/2011 23:10
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:You are truly mean person, you know that right? I have no personally vested interest in this, as I am a heterosexual woman who is married, but I have a personal interest in this in terms of I find it utterly horrendous that someone would speak to another person this way. You are just gross, in the truest sense of the word, LOLing about someone? Have you no morals at all? You actually make me sick.


I'm the PP that poster was ridiculing. What is LOL funny is that she assumes I don't understand those things and missed the whole point of my prior post, which was to point out the ridiculously obvious facts in the PP's rhetoric. And, I am a total biology nerd with specific fascinations in viruses, bacteria and reproductive science. To say I don't understand these things is comical. My IQ is in the 98th percentile. It's always funny to me when someone says I'm stupid.
[Post New]06/25/2011 23:14
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You are truly mean person, you know that right? I have no personally vested interest in this, as I am a heterosexual woman who is married, but I have a personal interest in this in terms of I find it utterly horrendous that someone would speak to another person this way. You are just gross, in the truest sense of the word, LOLing about someone? Have you no morals at all? You actually make me sick.


I'm the PP that poster was ridiculing. What is LOL funny is that she assumes I don't understand those things and missed the whole point of my prior post, which was to point out the ridiculously obvious facts in the PP's rhetoric. And, I am a total biology nerd with specific fascinations in viruses, bacteria and reproductive science. To say I don't understand these things is comical. My IQ is in the 98th percentile. It's always funny to me when someone says I'm stupid.


Well for someone who believes she's so smart, you certainly come off as pretty dumb, and weirdly cruel.
[Post New]06/25/2011 23:25
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You are truly mean person, you know that right? I have no personally vested interest in this, as I am a heterosexual woman who is married, but I have a personal interest in this in terms of I find it utterly horrendous that someone would speak to another person this way. You are just gross, in the truest sense of the word, LOLing about someone? Have you no morals at all? You actually make me sick.


I'm the PP that poster was ridiculing. What is LOL funny is that she assumes I don't understand those things and missed the whole point of my prior post, which was to point out the ridiculously obvious facts in the PP's rhetoric. And, I am a total biology nerd with specific fascinations in viruses, bacteria and reproductive science. To say I don't understand these things is comical. My IQ is in the 98th percentile. It's always funny to me when someone says I'm stupid.


You really need to stop getting all your information from men like this.
http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2011/06/legislator...quality-becomes-law/
[Post New]06/25/2011 23:30
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You are truly mean person, you know that right? I have no personally vested interest in this, as I am a heterosexual woman who is married, but I have a personal interest in this in terms of I find it utterly horrendous that someone would speak to another person this way. You are just gross, in the truest sense of the word, LOLing about someone? Have you no morals at all? You actually make me sick.


I'm the PP that poster was ridiculing. What is LOL funny is that she assumes I don't understand those things and missed the whole point of my prior post, which was to point out the ridiculously obvious facts in the PP's rhetoric. And, I am a total biology nerd with specific fascinations in viruses, bacteria and reproductive science. To say I don't understand these things is comical. My IQ is in the 98th percentile. It's always funny to me when someone says I'm stupid.


I'm the PP who LedOL at your argument that lesbians couples can't have unplanned pregnancy.

I never said gay couples should not be allowed to get married. I don't care abt what you do with your lives. This is a free country. My point is that your argument makes no sense at all. How can you argue that you as a couple will never have an unplanned pregnancy when you can't get each other pregnant?????????
[Post New]06/25/2011 23:32
Anonymous
I don't get it either. It seems to me everyone should be allowed to be in a loving committed relationship that comes with all the legal rights of marriage. Call it marriage, call it a civil union, it doesn't matter much to me.
[Post New]06/25/2011 23:32
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You are truly mean person, you know that right? I have no personally vested interest in this, as I am a heterosexual woman who is married, but I have a personal interest in this in terms of I find it utterly horrendous that someone would speak to another person this way. You are just gross, in the truest sense of the word, LOLing about someone? Have you no morals at all? You actually make me sick.


I'm the PP that poster was ridiculing. What is LOL funny is that she assumes I don't understand those things and missed the whole point of my prior post, which was to point out the ridiculously obvious facts in the PP's rhetoric. And, I am a total biology nerd with specific fascinations in viruses, bacteria and reproductive science. To say I don't understand these things is comical. My IQ is in the 98th percentile. It's always funny to me when someone says I'm stupid.


Well for someone who believes she's so smart, you certainly come off as pretty dumb, and weirdly cruel.


Cruel? What are you talking about?

I'm not the poster who made the first "LOL" post. S/he was responding to me.
[Post New]06/25/2011 23:43
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You are truly mean person, you know that right? I have no personally vested interest in this, as I am a heterosexual woman who is married, but I have a personal interest in this in terms of I find it utterly horrendous that someone would speak to another person this way. You are just gross, in the truest sense of the word, LOLing about someone? Have you no morals at all? You actually make me sick.


I'm the PP that poster was ridiculing. What is LOL funny is that she assumes I don't understand those things and missed the whole point of my prior post, which was to point out the ridiculously obvious facts in the PP's rhetoric. And, I am a total biology nerd with specific fascinations in viruses, bacteria and reproductive science. To say I don't understand these things is comical. My IQ is in the 98th percentile. It's always funny to me when someone says I'm stupid.


I'm the PP who LedOL at your argument that lesbians couples can't have unplanned pregnancy.

I never said gay couples should not be allowed to get married. I don't care abt what you do with your lives. This is a free country. My point is that your argument makes no sense at all. How can you argue that you as a couple will never have an unplanned pregnancy when you can't get each other pregnant?????????


You laugh at me because you missed the point of my post? It's not my fault you didn't get it.

I'll spell it out:
Poster A said we gays have an unhealthy lifestyle.
I said that my lifestyle is like most other moms and she must be speaking if my sex life. I then pointed out the obvious factors regarding STDs and unplanned pregnancy among lesbians, which are typically the consideration for a healthy (medically speaking) sex life. Her rhetoric is bullshit and that's what I was pointing out with facts known to most 9th graders.
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