Gay marriage -- explain the argument that it undermines heterosexual marriage

[Anonymous]

I find it hard to believe that most heterosexual women would have "no problem" if their son were gay. I can see most modern types being completely accepting after you got your mind around it, but you would honestly have "no problem"? i.e., no regret whatsoever that your son is not normal? if 1 to 3 percent of the male population is gay, then that by definition means it is not normal. I certainly want my kids to be heterosexual. If they are not, I will still live them unconditionally, but certainly not my first choice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To 15:22 (I refuse to quote and repost your HATEFUL response)-

Who the hell are you to define "normal"? Are you also against anal and oral sex between a man and a woman?

It doesn't matter why someone defines themselves as gay. It's none of your business, it doesn't lessen them as a human being nor should it exclude them from the right to marry, fall in love, be in a relationship and have a family or anything else that you reserve for a hetero couple.

I would wish that one of your children turns out gay, but sadly, I'm sure you would disown and scorn them. I feel sorry for them already that they have you as a parent. Your hated, vile OPINION sickens me.

I think that the loony post was a troll or an idiot, maybe both. Let's go with that argument for a minute. If gays and lesbians are maggots, then do we deserve any rights at all? Clearly, we should be snuffed out for the scourge that we are and the threat we pose to civilized society and, apparently, the future of all mankind. Should we "queers" be expected to take one for the team and go ahead with, hmm, I guess it would be extermination? All of our rights should be stripped away and we'll have to learn a lesson from some Muslim theocracies: off with our heads! But, what about our children? Should I appoint someone now to take over raising my child or should we just do away with them, since they're accepting of the gay lifestyle with their living upbringing and all?

[Anonymous]

Oops, "living" should be "loving"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:personally I find homosexuality to be an abnormal and an unhealthy lifestyle choice, but if gay couples want certain inheritance and other benefits that come only from marriage, then I really don't care. none of my business.

Okay, but it is NOT a choice. People are born with their preferences.

I don't agree.

If you don't agree, then it's because you chose to have sexual relationships with men or women, and are bisexual. I am not bisexual. I am a woman, and I am attracted to men. The thought of having sex with a woman is not appealing to me at all. It's not a choice.

And even if it is a choice, it shouldn't matter. But it isn't.

[Anonymous]

5:22 can't be for real. I thought that type of ignorance and idiocy had started to disappear by now.

BTW - I'm a straight woman who would have no issue with having a gay child or a straight child. And I acknowledge that the idea of "normal" is very subjective.

[Anonymous]

15:22 is a coward.

[Anonymous]

I'm feeling the urge to listen to Judy Garland and wear a feather boa. If California repeals Prop 8, it'll be a full out Barbra marathon at my place and rainbow flags everywhere.

[Anonymous]

I think this scene basically sums up what you're about, PP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cDYZpie9d0
American Beauty

Your vitriol gave you away.

Anonymous wrote:The issue is not about marriage at all, for one's marriage is not affected by the marriage type or non-marriage of others. My one-wife marriage is not impacted by a Muslim three-wife marriage nor a (old Mormon) plural-wife marriage. This is because my marriage is a contract and a vow between me and another person, the contract being adjudicated by the state. Other people do not enter the arrangement.

The primary reason I am completely against homosexual marriage is because it sends a message to my children that homosexuality is ok, that it is one of many "wonderful" options to choose from, that it is normal, and if you want to be homosexual go right ahead.

So the real issue here is about accepting homosexuality as normal. The thinking among queers seems to be "Perhaps if we marry we will appear normal like everyone else and then society will accept us for who we are."

No, society will do no such thing because homosexuality is not normal. What loving mother and father upon the birth of their child exclaim "Oh I hope my child grows up to be queer! Wouldn't it be so lovely?"

It doesn't happen among normal humans whose mental capabilities are not in question, no more than a mother or father hoping their child becomes a drug addict, a prostitute, a cripple, or mentally ill.

Speaking of mental illness, homosexuality is a form of mental illness and it was rightfully classified as such until after the 1950's.

It is a mental illness because a person who is designed to mate with a member of the opposite gender is mating with a member of the same gender. This is contrary to the design of their bodily function. It is the same with a man who "just believes" he is really a woman. His belief has no merit contrasted by the fact of his gender. He can think and believe and feel he is a woman all he wants but this does not contradict the facts of his anatomy. It's all in his head.

It doesn't matter if the queer is "in love" with a same-gender individual or is not attracted to the opposite gender. The person's gender determines the purpose of their genitals: to mate with a member of the opposite gender to produce offspring.

And do not give me this nonsense "homosexuality happens normally in nature." No it does not. Anyone not from the city knows mammals do not mate except the female is "in heat", and should a male copulate with a female and the hormones splatter on the male, other males will smell it and their mating instincts will be triggered. When obtaining bull semen it is a simple matter to smear the scent of a cow in estrus upon a fake cow and the unknowing bull will mate with it.

But queers like to take these examples and twist them, running to the media and making presentations to try and prove they are normal because it is "normal" in nature.

From what I have observed, homosexuals become that way due to
1) child molestation
2) picked on relentlessly by other children
3) taken advantage of while intoxicated
4) character/moral deficiency
5) just plain foolishness

Personally, I see homosexuals as maggots thriving on the rot of society. They are not the cause of rot but a symptom. Salt must be applied quickly and the maggots washed out completely to staunch the rapid decomposition of the meat ere it becomes a putrid filthy mush.

An apt quote I have heard: "There is a reason a man produces sperm and I assure you it isn't to fertilize turds"

This is my thinking on the matter, not expressed by many but it needs to be said.

[Anonymous]

but nobody came with a plausible response to 1522's arguments... hmmmm...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:but nobody came with a plausible response to 1522's arguments... hmmmm...

Frankly, 15:22's "arguments" are not worth the time or effort of a response. I would similarly refrain from debating with someone who declared the sky to be red with green polka dots, or was hell bent on convincing me of the world's enduring flatness. There is clearly not a lot of worth in "debating" with someone so twisted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:but nobody came with a plausible response to 1522's arguments... hmmmm...

What arguments? You mean the list of crap? Nobody needs to argue against crap. Why legitimize it?

15:22 is close-minded and bigoted, and his or her list of "reasons" covers pretty much anything - except that homosexuals are born that way. That list is not scientifically supported.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:but nobody came with a plausible response to 1522's arguments... hmmmm...

Which one of her arguments do you see as plausible in the first place?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I find it hard to believe that most heterosexual women would have "no problem" if their son were gay. I can see most modern types being completely accepting after you got your mind around it, but you would honestly have "no problem"? i.e., no regret whatsoever that your son is not normal? if 1 to 3 percent of the male population is gay, then that by definition means it is not normal. I certainly want my kids to be heterosexual. If they are not, I will still live them unconditionally, but certainly not my first choice.

1. Heterosexual woman here and yes, I would have absolutely "no problem" if my son was gay
2. "Normal" is a subjective term. A small percentage is defined as a minority population; not normal vs. abnormal. Left-handed people make up 10% of the population, does that make them not normal? In addition, you are also relying on people to tell the truth while taking the survey as to whether or not they are gay.
3. I don't think any parents hopes their kid is gay. The prejudice, hate, bias, etc against gays and lesbians is not something any "normal" parent would want for their child (and yes, I used "normal" on purpose)
3. Would you be upset that your son is gay b/c that means no marriage and no grandkids? What if he decides to be single the rest of his life or never have kids? Or, what if you had a gay son who was in a loving, committed relationship?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it hard to believe that most heterosexual women would have "no problem" if their son were gay. I can see most modern types being completely accepting after you got your mind around it, but you would honestly have "no problem"? i.e., no regret whatsoever that your son is not normal? if 1 to 3 percent of the male population is gay, then that by definition means it is not normal. I certainly want my kids to be heterosexual. If they are not, I will still live them unconditionally, but certainly not my first choice.

1. Heterosexual woman here and yes, I would have absolutely "no problem" if my son was gay
2. "Normal" is a subjective term. A small percentage is defined as a minority population; not normal vs. abnormal. Left-handed people make up 10% of the population, does that make them not normal? In addition, you are also relying on people to tell the truth while taking the survey as to whether or not they are gay.
3. I don't think any parents hopes their kid is gay. The prejudice, hate, bias, etc against gays and lesbians is not something any "normal" parent would want for their child (and yes, I used "normal" on purpose)
3. Would you be upset that your son is gay b/c that means no marriage and no grandkids? What if he decides to be single the rest of his life or never have kids? Or, what if you had a gay son who was in a loving, committed relationship?

so on one hand you acknowledge that "I don't think any parents hopes their kid is gay" and you list many legitimate reasons why, then on the other hand you insist that you would have no problem is your son was gay. Disconnect, I think. Hoping your kid is not gay = problem.

[Anonymous]

I only have a problem with gay marriage if it is done in a religious ceremony. What is wrong with a justice of the peace or a civil ceremony? Or having a close friend or family member do the ceremony. I feel that if it is done in a religious ceremony it undermines the biblical standards of marriage. Clearly gay marriage is not allowed in Christianity. But I think they should be able to commit to each other in the eyes of the law, and their loved ones. I think monogamy is wonderful, but getting married for financial benefits is wrong.