Gay marriage -- explain the argument that it undermines heterosexual marriage

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I find it hard to believe that most heterosexual women would have "no problem" if their son were gay. I can see most modern types being completely accepting after you got your mind around it, but you would honestly have "no problem"? i.e., no regret whatsoever that your son is not normal? if 1 to 3 percent of the male population is gay, then that by definition means it is not normal. I certainly want my kids to be heterosexual. If they are not, I will still live them unconditionally, but certainly not my first choice.

1. Heterosexual woman here and yes, I would have absolutely "no problem" if my son was gay
2. "Normal" is a subjective term. A small percentage is defined as a minority population; not normal vs. abnormal. Left-handed people make up 10% of the population, does that make them not normal? In addition, you are also relying on people to tell the truth while taking the survey as to whether or not they are gay.
3. I don't think any parents hopes their kid is gay. The prejudice, hate, bias, etc against gays and lesbians is not something any "normal" parent would want for their child (and yes, I used "normal" on purpose)
3. Would you be upset that your son is gay b/c that means no marriage and no grandkids? What if he decides to be single the rest of his life or never have kids? Or, what if you had a gay son who was in a loving, committed relationship?

so on one hand you acknowledge that "I don't think any parents hopes their kid is gay" and you list many legitimate reasons why, then on the other hand you insist that you would have no problem is your son was gay. Disconnect, I think. Hoping your kid is not gay = problem.

You're right, I phrased it poorly. What I was trying to say is that I don't think any parent would want their child to be a target for others based on any number of reasons (gay, religion, race, appearance). Every parent wants their child to be accepted. Also, while I don't think any parent wishes for their child to be gay (or straight for that matter) I would hope that a parent would love and accept their child simply because that is their child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I find it hard to believe that most heterosexual women would have "no problem" if their son were gay. I can see most modern types being completely accepting after you got your mind around it, but you would honestly have "no problem"? i.e., no regret whatsoever that your son is not normal? if 1 to 3 percent of the male population is gay, then that by definition means it is not normal. I certainly want my kids to be heterosexual. If they are not, I will still live them unconditionally, but certainly not my first choice.

Hetero mom here -- I would have no problem. No regret. I think having any kind of opinion on your child's sexual preference is not normal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I find it hard to believe that most heterosexual women would have "no problem" if their son were gay. I can see most modern types being completely accepting after you got your mind around it, but you would honestly have "no problem"? i.e., no regret whatsoever that your son is not normal? if 1 to 3 percent of the male population is gay, then that by definition means it is not normal. I certainly want my kids to be heterosexual. If they are not, I will still live them unconditionally, but certainly not my first choice.

Hetero mom here -- I would have no problem. No regret. I think having any kind of opinion on your child's sexual preference is not normal.

It is wonderful you feel this way, but I don't think a parent in abnormal for having an opinion on their child's sexual preference. It is like having an opinion on their fiance, or job. Very normal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it hard to believe that most heterosexual women would have "no problem" if their son were gay. I can see most modern types being completely accepting after you got your mind around it, but you would honestly have "no problem"? i.e., no regret whatsoever that your son is not normal? if 1 to 3 percent of the male population is gay, then that by definition means it is not normal. I certainly want my kids to be heterosexual. If they are not, I will still live them unconditionally, but certainly not my first choice.

Hetero mom here -- I would have no problem. No regret. I think having any kind of opinion on your child's sexual preference is not normal.

It is wonderful you feel this way, but I don't think a parent in abnormal for having an opinion on their child's sexual preference. It is like having an opinion on their fiance, or job. Very normal.

You mean like characteristics/situations they can change? Frankly, I don't have a preference as to whether my daughter's hair is brown or black. If people make fun of her for having black hair, I am sad, but by no means blame my daughter for her hair color. I wouldn't disown her for having black hair, or be sad that she had black hair - i would be sad that we live in a world where bigoteds to make my child miserable.

Frankly, if there were going to be a finite number of gay and lesbian children born, I would hope that they would be born to me and not some pig like 15:22. I truly don't care whether my daughter is gay or straight.

[Anonymous]

"Speaking of mental illness, homosexuality is a form of mental illness and it was rightfully classified as such until after the 1950's."

This is true of PMS as well, but I wouldn't be surprised if 15:22 doesn't believe in equal rights for woman either!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:personally I find homosexuality to be an abnormal and an unhealthy lifestyle choice, but if gay couples want certain inheritance and other benefits that come only from marriage, then I really don't care. none of my business.

My younger cousin is gay. I have known he was gay since he was 5 years old. We all knew he was gay when he was young. The only choice that a gay person has is whether or not they want to live a lie. Sadly, the only reason they feel they may have to choose to do so is because of people like you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:personally I find homosexuality to be an abnormal and an unhealthy lifestyle choice, but if gay couples want certain inheritance and other benefits that come only from marriage, then I really don't care. none of my business.

Prove it's a choice.. choose to get down on your knees and preform oral on someone of your own gender.

Can't do that? It's not your preference? Amazing!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
1. Heterosexual woman here and yes, I would have absolutely "no problem" if my son was gay
2. "Normal" is a subjective term. A small percentage is defined as a minority population; not normal vs. abnormal. Left-handed people make up 10% of the population, does that make them not normal? In addition, you are also relying on people to tell the truth while taking the survey as to whether or not they are gay.
3. I don't think any parents hopes their kid is gay. The prejudice, hate, bias, etc against gays and lesbians is not something any "normal" parent would want for their child (and yes, I used "normal" on purpose)
3. Would you be upset that your son is gay b/c that means no marriage and no grandkids? What if he decides to be single the rest of his life or never have kids? Or, what if you had a gay son who was in a loving, committed relationship?

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Anonymous wrote:
You're right, I phrased it poorly. What I was trying to say is that I don't think any parent would want their child to be a target for others based on any number of reasons (gay, religion, race, appearance). Every parent wants their child to be accepted. Also, while I don't think any parent wishes for their child to be gay (or straight for that matter) I would hope that a parent would love and accept their child simply because that is their child.

NP here (or at least haven't posted in about 4 pages).
You said it wonderfully. I have 2 gay siblings. I *hope* none of my children are gay only because I've seen first hand the pain and hardship it causes. From a brother that hid it from his professional life so he could "fit in" to the sister who constantly feels a need to advocate for gay rights because she was so picked on by everyone. My parents knew by the time they were 4. I have 5 gay cousins (all on my moms side) as well, so I'm positive its genetic.
I would love them no less, and they are no less "normal" in my eyes.
signed,
another hetero mom that would have no probelm with a homosexual child

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:personally I find homosexuality to be an abnormal and an unhealthy lifestyle choice, but if gay couples want certain inheritance and other benefits that come only from marriage, then I really don't care. none of my business.

Prove it's a choice.. choose to get down on your knees and preform oral on someone of your own gender.

Can't do that? It's not your preference? Amazing!

male hetero here. Of course I "could" do that. doesn't mean I choose to. What do you mean you could not? Do you think all of the women in porn are lesbians?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
1. Heterosexual woman here and yes, I would have absolutely "no problem" if my son was gay
2. "Normal" is a subjective term. A small percentage is defined as a minority population; not normal vs. abnormal. Left-handed people make up 10% of the population, does that make them not normal? In addition, you are also relying on people to tell the truth while taking the survey as to whether or not they are gay.
3. I don't think any parents hopes their kid is gay. The prejudice, hate, bias, etc against gays and lesbians is not something any "normal" parent would want for their child (and yes, I used "normal" on purpose)
3. Would you be upset that your son is gay b/c that means no marriage and no grandkids? What if he decides to be single the rest of his life or never have kids? Or, what if you had a gay son who was in a loving, committed relationship?

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Anonymous wrote:
You're right, I phrased it poorly. What I was trying to say is that I don't think any parent would want their child to be a target for others based on any number of reasons (gay, religion, race, appearance). Every parent wants their child to be accepted. Also, while I don't think any parent wishes for their child to be gay (or straight for that matter) I would hope that a parent would love and accept their child simply because that is their child.

NP here (or at least haven't posted in about 4 pages).
You said it wonderfully. I have 2 gay siblings. I *hope* none of my children are gay only because I've seen first hand the pain and hardship it causes. From a brother that hid it from his professional life so he could "fit in" to the sister who constantly feels a need to advocate for gay rights because she was so picked on by everyone. My parents knew by the time they were 4. I have 5 gay cousins (all on my moms side) as well, so I'm positive its genetic.
I would love them no less, and they are no less "normal" in my eyes.
signed,
another hetero mom that would have no probelm with a homosexual child

I still contend that saying you hope not of your kids are gay means on some level you would have a problem with it. Doesn't mean you wouldn't love and support them unconditionally. Maybe just semantics, but I think an important distinction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
1. Heterosexual woman here and yes, I would have absolutely "no problem" if my son was gay
2. "Normal" is a subjective term. A small percentage is defined as a minority population; not normal vs. abnormal. Left-handed people make up 10% of the population, does that make them not normal? In addition, you are also relying on people to tell the truth while taking the survey as to whether or not they are gay.
3. I don't think any parents hopes their kid is gay. The prejudice, hate, bias, etc against gays and lesbians is not something any "normal" parent would want for their child (and yes, I used "normal" on purpose)
3. Would you be upset that your son is gay b/c that means no marriage and no grandkids? What if he decides to be single the rest of his life or never have kids? Or, what if you had a gay son who was in a loving, committed relationship?

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Anonymous wrote:
You're right, I phrased it poorly. What I was trying to say is that I don't think any parent would want their child to be a target for others based on any number of reasons (gay, religion, race, appearance). Every parent wants their child to be accepted. Also, while I don't think any parent wishes for their child to be gay (or straight for that matter) I would hope that a parent would love and accept their child simply because that is their child.

NP here (or at least haven't posted in about 4 pages).
You said it wonderfully. I have 2 gay siblings. I *hope* none of my children are gay only because I've seen first hand the pain and hardship it causes. From a brother that hid it from his professional life so he could "fit in" to the sister who constantly feels a need to advocate for gay rights because she was so picked on by everyone. My parents knew by the time they were 4. I have 5 gay cousins (all on my moms side) as well, so I'm positive its genetic.
I would love them no less, and they are no less "normal" in my eyes.
signed,
another hetero mom that would have no probelm with a homosexual child

I still contend that saying you hope not of your kids are gay means on some level you would have a problem with it. Doesn't mean you wouldn't love and support them unconditionally. Maybe just semantics, but I think an important distinction.

I hope one of my children has my green eyes, but it hasn't happened so far, and there is no problem with that.
I hope they are not as clumsy as me, but so far one is, and there is no problem with that (aside from a lifetime of more bumps and bruises than the average person)
I hope they inherit musical and artictical talents from their dad (because I have none). But if they can't paint and can't sing, there's no problem with that either.

So, on no level do I have a problem if one of my children is homosexual. If so, there will be times in their lives that will be much more difficult than if they were heterosexual (for instance, if they meet you). And it would pain me to see them have to go through those struggles. But I would never see their sexuality as a problem.

Maybe its different since I've been around homosexuals my entire life. Maybe its different because I know there is a probablity that one of my children may be born homosexual. I know it is something I cannot control. One day, it may be something that is screened for during pregnancy. And I would not choose anything different if my child is homosexual.

[Anonymous]

My mother says she loves me unconditionally and is glad Icaene out when I was a teen so she wasn't left out of my life. She also says gays are like kidnappers and child molesters and that it's a choice and she wishes I'd just stop. And, that it was a real shock to her and she thinks I "went gay" to spite her. In contrast, my father said he'd known for a while when I told him. They were both there raising me. I'm not sure how one would see it and the other would not, unless she chose to see something different. My grandmothers were also not surprised.

It's been 20 years since I first told my parents. She is still giving me shit about it. It's not about my feelings, it's about hers.

[Anonymous]

WTF auto-correct? Odd word should be "I came.."

[Anonymous]

From 15:22's post:

Anonymous wrote:

The primary reason I am completely against homosexual marriage is because it sends a message to my children that homosexuality is ok, that it is one of many "wonderful" options to choose from, that it is normal, and if you want to be homosexual go right ahead.

Questions: Do you think that your kids will "go right ahead" and become homosexual because there are other homosexuals in the community presenting that option? Do you believe they are that easily influenced and torn away from the values you have instilled in them? Do you think that's how homosexuality 'works' -- kids see it around them and believe it's normal and pick it up as an "option"? Just curious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
1. Heterosexual woman here and yes, I would have absolutely "no problem" if my son was gay
2. "Normal" is a subjective term. A small percentage is defined as a minority population; not normal vs. abnormal. Left-handed people make up 10% of the population, does that make them not normal? In addition, you are also relying on people to tell the truth while taking the survey as to whether or not they are gay.
3. I don't think any parents hopes their kid is gay. The prejudice, hate, bias, etc against gays and lesbians is not something any "normal" parent would want for their child (and yes, I used "normal" on purpose)
3. Would you be upset that your son is gay b/c that means no marriage and no grandkids? What if he decides to be single the rest of his life or never have kids? Or, what if you had a gay son who was in a loving, committed relationship?

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Anonymous wrote:
You're right, I phrased it poorly. What I was trying to say is that I don't think any parent would want their child to be a target for others based on any number of reasons (gay, religion, race, appearance). Every parent wants their child to be accepted. Also, while I don't think any parent wishes for their child to be gay (or straight for that matter) I would hope that a parent would love and accept their child simply because that is their child.

NP here (or at least haven't posted in about 4 pages).
You said it wonderfully. I have 2 gay siblings. I *hope* none of my children are gay only because I've seen first hand the pain and hardship it causes. From a brother that hid it from his professional life so he could "fit in" to the sister who constantly feels a need to advocate for gay rights because she was so picked on by everyone. My parents knew by the time they were 4. I have 5 gay cousins (all on my moms side) as well, so I'm positive its genetic.
I would love them no less, and they are no less "normal" in my eyes.
signed,
another hetero mom that would have no probelm with a homosexual child

I still contend that saying you hope not of your kids are gay means on some level you would have a problem with it. Doesn't mean you wouldn't love and support them unconditionally. Maybe just semantics, but I think an important distinction.

I think saying you hope your kid isn't gay because they'd be forced to live a life of struggle because of ignoramuses and bigots is a whole helluva lot different than saying they hope their kid isn't gay because there's something wrong with being gay.