Anonymous wrote:One quick question: How many of you would be ok with this if it was your nanny who did this?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One quick question: How many of you would be ok with this if it was your nanny who did this?

Quick question: how many of you clucking hysterics flipped your child forward facing at or before a year, thus greatly increasing your child's risk of injury and death in a car accident? Of course remembering that car accidents, unlike car jackings, are he leading cause of death in children?

And as far as I can see, no one has really answered the question if they would leave a child of any age in the car alone.

Anonymous wrote:Dude. I just can't believe People would call the police of this woman? Overheating in this weather? Come on. And no child of any age ever?

Good god.

Anonymous wrote:See-SOME deem it to be dangerous practices. Clearly not everyone agrees, at least not enough to take her children away from her.

No on has sufficiently established that this mother in cooler weather, with a line of sight and a monitor, has done anything particularly dangerous--at least no more dangerous than other things all of us do every day, but "get away" with.

We can rant on about potential hijackings and overheating, but the environment and circumstances make both of these highly improbable.

She shouldn't have left the car running, and she should certainly have changed her behavior when it became apparent that paranoid busybodies were up in her business.

I would never do what she did, but there are lots of things I wouldn't do that people do every day and think are legit. And like those, I would not risk separating a mom and her children.

Those of you who are advocating for such don't understand risk analysis or the concept of fair mindedness.

Anonymous wrote:The risks are minute if it is a one-time occurrence.
They increase to an intolerable degree when done on a regular basis!!!

The MAJOR risk is overheating if the sunlight enters directly through the window. I have experienced this. Despite A/C, a child can rapidly die of heat inside a car, even within 45 minutes.

Much less probable accidents include faulty brakes, bump by another car, or break-in.

Never leave children of any age alone in a car. This is one of those rules that you do not break.
The woman is dangerously oblivious. Whether the niceties should have been observed or not by sweet offers of help before calling authority is completely missing the point. We are talking life or death - who cares about niceties??? She should be stopped by any means necessary!

Next time, OP you can offer to help. And then call police again.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not being snarky, but I don't understand why you would think it's OK to not say anything to her, but it is ok to call the police/CPS. I can imagine that having the police/CPS confront their mother is terrifying for kids. If the point is to help/save the children wouldn't it be safer to confront her directly rather than escalating it to CPS?

Exactly. I like this. OP, maybe if you had talked to her, asked her questions, gotten to know her a little bit, maybe you would have felt comfortable enough to ask her about the car situation. It really doesn't seem like she was being this horribly neglectful mother. I wouldn't have done what she's doing, but it really sounds like her kids were not in any immediate danger... at least not enough danger that the cops or cps should get involved.

Talking to her first, I think, would have been the best option. Instead, you and your friend come off as two meddling, judgmental women, wringing your hands in the corner and whispering about what a horrible mother she is. And then calling the cops on her?

That's definitely not what I would've done.

NP here. I agree with this. Instead of getting to know the lady, or even offering to help (wow, what a concept!!), you want to have her kids taken away by CPS? OP, you sound like a miserable, mean-spirited person.

This lady has 3 kids. It's tough being a mom, even if you just have one kid. Show the other mom some empathy instead of trying to have her life ruined.

Anonymous wrote:I wrote the comment below. I maintain there is a danger of overheating, even in cold weather, because sun on a car makes it become a hothouse. There is also a more long-term and devious risk. That of precedence. If this woman thinks leaving her children alone in the car under such conditions is acceptable behavior now, it is highly likely she will think it is acceptable to do it in even less desirable circumstances. Such as no monitor, no line of sight (which helps you precious little in case of overheating, anyway - what a stupid woman). Or greater distance from her, or for a longer period of time. Will she leave them alone in the house, or have them to walk to school alone and cross the road at a very young age? In short, is this systematic car situation the tip of the iceberg?

If you break a common sense rule, where then do you draw the line?
That is the question. And from the facts reported by OP, I am afraid the line is far, far down the slippery slope.

Anonymous wrote:The risks are minute if it is a one-time occurrence.
They increase to an intolerable degree when done on a regular basis!!!

The MAJOR risk is overheating if the sunlight enters directly through the window. I have experienced this. Despite A/C, a child can rapidly die of heat inside a car, even within 45 minutes.

Much less probable accidents include faulty brakes, bump by another car, or break-in.

Never leave children of any age alone in a car. This is one of those rules that you do not break.
The woman is dangerously oblivious. Whether the niceties should have been observed or not by sweet offers of help before calling authority is completely missing the point. We are talking life or death - who cares about niceties??? She should be stopped by any means necessary!

Next time, OP you can offer to help. And then call police again.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wrote the comment below. I maintain there is a danger of overheating, even in cold weather, because sun on a car makes it become a hothouse. There is also a more long-term and devious risk. That of precedence. If this woman thinks leaving her children alone in the car under such conditions is acceptable behavior now, it is highly likely she will think it is acceptable to do it in even less desirable circumstances. Such as no monitor, no line of sight (which helps you precious little in case of overheating, anyway - what a stupid woman). Or greater distance from her, or for a longer period of time. Will she leave them alone in the house, or have them to walk to school alone and cross the road at a very young age? In short, is this systematic car situation the tip of the iceberg?

If you break a common sense rule, where then do you draw the line?
That is the question. And from the facts reported by OP, I am afraid the line is far, far down the slippery slope.

Anonymous wrote:The risks are minute if it is a one-time occurrence.
They increase to an intolerable degree when done on a regular basis!!!

The MAJOR risk is overheating if the sunlight enters directly through the window. I have experienced this. Despite A/C, a child can rapidly die of heat inside a car, even within 45 minutes.

Much less probable accidents include faulty brakes, bump by another car, or break-in.

Never leave children of any age alone in a car. This is one of those rules that you do not break.
The woman is dangerously oblivious. Whether the niceties should have been observed or not by sweet offers of help before calling authority is completely missing the point. We are talking life or death - who cares about niceties??? She should be stopped by any means necessary!

Next time, OP you can offer to help. And then call police again.

I agree with all the points above, as well if there is even a pin hole leak in the exhaust pipe, the kids are at risk for CO poisoning. I highly doubt the woman leaving her babies in the car is a typical highly educated DCUM parent. The behavior sounds typical of someone without much knowledge/forethought.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wrote the comment below. I maintain there is a danger of overheating, even in cold weather, because sun on a car makes it become a hothouse. There is also a more long-term and devious risk. That of precedence. If this woman thinks leaving her children alone in the car under such conditions is acceptable behavior now, it is highly likely she will think it is acceptable to do it in even less desirable circumstances. Such as no monitor, no line of sight (which helps you precious little in case of overheating, anyway - what a stupid woman). Or greater distance from her, or for a longer period of time. Will she leave them alone in the house, or have them to walk to school alone and cross the road at a very young age? In short, is this systematic car situation the tip of the iceberg?

If you break a common sense rule, where then do you draw the line?
That is the question. And from the facts reported by OP, I am afraid the line is far, far down the slippery slope.

Anonymous wrote:The risks are minute if it is a one-time occurrence.
They increase to an intolerable degree when done on a regular basis!!!

The MAJOR risk is overheating if the sunlight enters directly through the window. I have experienced this. Despite A/C, a child can rapidly die of heat inside a car, even within 45 minutes.

Never leave children of any age alone in a car. This is one of those rules that you do not break.
The woman is dangerously oblivious. Whether the niceties should have been observed or not by sweet offers of help before calling authority is completely missing the point. We are talking life or death - who cares about niceties??? She should be stopped by any means necessary!

Next time, OP you can offer to help. And then call police again.

I agree with all the points above, as well if there is even a pin hole leak in the exhaust pipe, the kids are at risk for CO poisoning. I highly doubt the woman leaving her babies in the car is a typical highly educated DCUM parent. The behavior sounds typical of someone without much knowledge/forethought.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wrote the comment below. I maintain there is a danger of overheating, even in cold weather, because sun on a car makes it become a hothouse. There is also a more long-term and devious risk. That of precedence. If this woman thinks leaving her children alone in the car under such conditions is acceptable behavior now, it is highly likely she will think it is acceptable to do it in even less desirable circumstances. Such as no monitor, no line of sight (which helps you precious little in case of overheating, anyway - what a stupid woman). Or greater distance from her, or for a longer period of time. Will she leave them alone in the house, or have them to walk to school alone and cross the road at a very young age? In short, is this systematic car situation the tip of the iceberg?

If you break a common sense rule, where then do you draw the line?
That is the question. And from the facts reported by OP, I am afraid the line is far, far down the slippery slope.

Anonymous wrote:The risks are minute if it is a one-time occurrence.
They increase to an intolerable degree when done on a regular basis!!!

The MAJOR risk is overheating if the sunlight enters directly through the window. I have experienced this. Despite A/C, a child can rapidly die of heat inside a car, even within 45 minutes.

Much less probable accidents include faulty brakes, bump by another car, or break-in.

Never leave children of any age alone in a car. This is one of those rules that you do not break.
The woman is dangerously oblivious. Whether the niceties should have been observed or not by sweet offers of help before calling authority is completely missing the point. We are talking life or death - who cares about niceties??? She should be stopped by any means necessary!

Next time, OP you can offer to help. And then call police again.

I agree with all the points above, as well if there is even a pin hole leak in the exhaust pipe, the kids are at risk for CO poisoning. I highly doubt the woman leaving her babies in the car is a typical highly educated DCUM parent. The behavior sounds typical of someone without much knowledge/forethought.