Obama, Trump and Deportations
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Just for the record, I started two threads criticizing Obama for his drone murders: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/100601.page https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/192570.page Are you willing to criticize Trump in equally harsh terms or are you simply playing "whatabout" games? |
Anonymous
| This thread is about deportations. What does drone murders have to do with it? |
Anonymous
PP was implying there was equal national outrage in Dem circles to violating civil liberties under the Obama administration. There simply wasn’t, point blank, your two posts on an Internet forum aside. And I don’t like Trump and didn’t vote for him. Obama was a much better president. But facts are facts. |
Anonymous
DACA is one of the most successful programs in immigration history. These childhood arrivals had to be in school or full time jobs. They had to be high school graduates if they were over a certain age. They were vetted for any criminal history. They have to check in and pay a fee every two years I think. The program is not taking new applications. Some facts about DACA . Nearly all DACA recipients—99%—have graduated from high school ,at least 49% have attained at least some college education. DACA recipients has increased their median income sevenfold since the first year in 2012, DACA’s has contributed well more than a hundred billion dollars to the economy as well as tens of billions in combined taxes. Many are now building families too: nearly half (44%) of DACA recipients in this cohort have married, and half (50%) now have at least one child in the home. Texas, in its usual foul nasty ugly hateful way is trying to take this temporary protection away from DACA recipients. This is a group who have blended well into our country, are producers, pay taxes, are consumers, workers, something we can’t say about all of the American born people. And they are bilingual! Let them focus on not letting anymore in illegally. |
Anonymous
It shows that Obama is as draconian as Trump. He just does it with a smile |
Anonymous
Most illegals are legal immigrants /were legal at one point. Their visas expired making them “undocumented/illegal”. How many did Obama deport? Plenty. More than Trump. I personally think trump wants to beat Obamas record hence the ICE escalations |
Anonymous
Nothing. Obama figured out how to deport people, legally, and was much more successful at it than Trump. They can’t accept that what we’re mad about is not about the deportation, it’s about disappearing people from US streets and depriving them of due process and other rights. So, they try to bring it back to Obama and a drone strike, because that’s all they have left to argue. |
Anonymous
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Whatever the case may be with Obama who I do not view as others do, as a saint, he was savvy enough to do things in a smarter way than Trump.
Whatever his sins and I know there are - every President has them, you still have to keep up appearances and Obama"s success is his capability for grace and ability to communicate effectively. Trump is a horrific slime ball who has contributed nothing. He's all about Trump and this is really where the difference matters most. I'm not a huge fan of Obama but I do think he was a good leader and had the right intentions in doing his job as best as he should do. It may not have been good or right but his approach is what I respect. |
Anonymous
Very much so agree with your thoughts on Obama and normal presidents in general. He was a POTUS, not a saint, and POTUSs do make very difficult decisions that occasionally wind up being the wrong decisions. There are a few reasons why Trump is unlike any other POTUS we've ever had and mostly not for good reasons. First, I'll acknowledge things Trump does that I appreciate in a POTUS. He's an open book for the most part. His intentions are known. He brought much more attention to two difficult and complex issues most US leaders have not sought to tackle head on in recent decades- US trade agreements with other world super powers that are more favorable to the other country and immigration/border security. His approach to these issues are misguided in my opinion but he's approached them. The very simplest defining thing Trump has done to show us why he lacks the integrity needed and expected of our Commander-in-Chief... he refused to pick up the phone or answer pleas for his help for over 3 hours while security was being breached at the US Capitol Building. He was alive, very aware of the situation and did absolutely nothing for 3 hours. His own children were in disbelief over his inaction. For this reason, he is unlike any other POTUS ever in a way that makes him incomparable to any other POTUS ever. |
Anonymous
You're changing the subject. I am talking about what just happened. Trump has imprisoned at leastr 50 LEGAL immigrants who have committed no crimes in Venezuela. Innocent men who have done absolutely nothing wrong are in a concentration camp. And the Trump administration is doing nothing to fix it even thought everybody knows! Obama never did that. |
Anonymous
He locked up innocent people and placed kids in cages |
Anonymous
Ouch. |
Anonymous
It is an illegal program. Perhaps Trump should use this precedent and declare his own tax rules. We won't prosecute people who pay 20% of income as taxes, regardless of what rate Congress has passed. Then they can say it is very successful, because it has produced so many jobs. |
Anonymous
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Obama also did the Biden trick of counting returns at the border as deportations.
However, under Obama, removals were high as well, not like Biden. |