Obama, Trump and Deportations

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Anonymous wrote:Obama was the last badass democratic president. He deported the crap out of illegals! He was slinging predator drones at terrorists-- killed 10x as many as Bush, made it look like he was putting up amateur numbers. Love that guy.

He was also a high IQ individual who could communicate to the American people in a very effective manner. Trump and Biden are clearly not the on the same level as Obama as far intelligence goes and their communication skills are horrid. American fell off a cliff going from Obama to Trump.

He was a high IQ tool of the banks. Obama was funded by Wall Street to bail
Them out and not jail them. Billions of dollars went to Wall Street. Not one homeowner was bailed out.

President Bush and President Trump sent stimulus checks to Americans. Obama did not.

He was put in office to help the stock market and corporate interests.

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Anonymous wrote:The original post misses the mark because that’s not why people are upset with Trump’s “enforcement.”

I’m not getting mired down in the details because this is f-n stupid, strawman boloney.

Bologna indeed. Trump and Obama are incomparable in every way yet.

Obama started the cages for children. They are very comparable. Both liars and scam artists

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Anonymous wrote:Stop the gaslighting. The differences are many and obvious. Due process legal actions vs. violent police state fascism with no accountability and no-bid, no-oversight contracts to corrupt private contractors and prison vendors.

Trump does everything with no concern for the Constitution or federal laws and with the maximum corruption and bigotry and cruelty imaginable.

The next time he does anything in compliance with the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights will be his first time doing so.

I don’t think op was intentionally gaslighting. They are just genuinely uninformed, to put it nicely.

Deportation shepourtation... "They" choose to refuse to put 2 + 2 together in order to understand how unAmerican it was to pardon these guys-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEEEMB0c5So

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Only 1 in 4 detainees had due process during the Obama administration. The ACLU was all over Obama. The media just didn’t report it.

In violation of the constitution, Obama killed American citizens and deported asylum seekers without court oversight

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Anonymous wrote:Only 1 in 4 detainees had due process during the Obama administration. The ACLU was all over Obama. The media just didn’t report it.

In violation of the constitution, Obama killed American citizens and deported asylum seekers without court oversight

Trump pardoned these people. 'nuff said

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEEEMB0c5So

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think most Americans are up in arms simply because people who aren’t here legally are being deported; we’re up in arms because people who are here legally are being detained, US citizens are being detained, and people who not only are not convicted criminals, but who hadn’t ever even been arrested on suspicion of a crime were sent to CECOT! That’s crazy. When the Feds admitted that they sent a guy to CECOT by mistake, they threw up their hands and said there was nothing to be done about it.

There’s no comparison to Obama.

So Tom Homan, when he was working for Obama, never had anyone detained who was a US citizen when conducting ICE raids for Obama?

You must be drinking some incredibly strong Kool Aid today.

Any how many people did he send to foreign prisons without any criminal convictions?

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Anonymous wrote:With all these cries of Trump being a fascist for enforcing immigration laws, Karen Attiah injects some much needed facts and perspective. Where were your No Kings protests in 2013?!!! Deporting non violent illegal immigrants is only fascism when Trump does it I guess…

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2025/06/16/barack-obama-donald-trump-protests-immigration/

Barack Obama is not your emotional support president

As protests against ICE spread around the country, and Americans wake once again to the reality of our brutal deportation practices, people clearly long for Obama to be the permanent cheerleader-in-chief. Just one problem: Obama himself advanced the draconian systems his successor is now employing so gleefully. How does this make sense?

People seem to have forgotten that during his administration, Obama fully earned the title “deporter in chief” by removing more people nearly 3 million in all from the country. Combining his first term with the beginnings of his second, Donald Trump has a long, long way to go to top that mark.

And no, these were not all immigrants convicted of crimes. Between 2014 and 2016, nearly 40,000 cases involving families with children were closed through the Obama administration’s “rocket docket” fast track — 70 percent of them processed without legal representation. Children were forced to represent themselves in court. The Obama administration was sued for detaining families as a supposed deterrent to immigration.

In fact, Tom Homan, the current White House border czar, was appointed by Obama. Yes, the Homan who said in March: “I don’t care what the judges think.” In 2015, as head of ICE enforcement and removal operations, Homan deported so many people that Obama gave him a presidential medal.

And for those facing militarized local police while protesting ICE: Have we forgotten Ferguson, Missouri? Standing Rock Sioux Reservation? Under the Obama administration, local police received hundreds of millions of dollars in surplus military equipment under the federal 1033 Program. Despite an executive order to limit these transfers after the unrest in Ferguson, investigations showed that local police were still receiving transfers, including armored vehicles.

MAGA told me that Obama didn’t enforce immigration law and the border was open. Are you saying they’re lying?

That was Biden you fruitcake. Obama did his job in a thoughtful and humane manner just like Bush and Clinton did. Trump and Biden made an already difficult and complex issue even more difficult and complex.

Gee, if the GOP had brought the immigration bill to a vote under the House when Obama was president, we wouldn't be here. Same with the GOP in the Senate under Biden. Yes, it is complex, but only one party has been consistent in trying to deal with the "complex' mechanics over the past 40 years through legislation. Why, do you suppose, the GOP refuses to authorize the executive branch the ability and funding necessary to deal with it?

To my knowledge, there has been no bill proposed within the last 10 to 20 years that addressed the need for a more expedited process of issuing employer sponsored visas to migrants seeking agricultural and service related work in the US so these people can work here legally without ICE breathing down their necks. The only recent immigration related reforms and law changes I'm aware have been short term band-aid fix measures and/or executive orders issued as short term fixes. I can say that Obama, Bush, and Clinton pushed Congress to act on long term immigration reform measures but of course Congress failed to act. Trump and Biden have failed in every way possible to no one's surprise.

The GOP has said they won’t consider any immigration reforms until the border is “fixed.” That’s been the mantra since at least 2008.

Fine. Finish the damn wall Trump promised but failed to deliver during his first term. Of course our border should be secure in a post 9/11 world and if it takes a wall to make that happen, so be it. The next very important step is to make it easier for low skill migrant workers to come here legally to work so that current madness brought on by Trump and Biden doesn't become cyclical.

All common sense stuff that all of us can agree on.

The wall does nothing to address any of these issues. It was a vanity project that wasted billions of dollars and in many cases has already rusted out/fallen over due poor design and shoddy workmanship.

Build it better, and thicker out of concrete so they can't just cut through. Most importantly it has to be working even when Democrats are President who don't want to keep people out.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop the gaslighting. The differences are many and obvious. Due process legal actions vs. violent police state fascism with no accountability and no-bid, no-oversight contracts to corrupt private contractors and prison vendors.

Trump does everything with no concern for the Constitution or federal laws and with the maximum corruption and bigotry and cruelty imaginable.

The next time he does anything in compliance with the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights will be his first time doing so.

+1000

It's fair to throw mud at Biden for the actions he took early in his term to remove band-aid laws that were in place to secure the border but trying to throw mud at Obama by suggesting his approach to deportations was the same as Trump's approach is utter ridiculousness.

Leave Obama out of it. This is Trump and Biden's mess and at this point, it's mostly Trump's mess!

Even as a Senator, Obama pushed for a border wall or fence. He criticized Pres Bush for being an amnesty president

He’s very tough on illegal immigration.

A lot of people are tough while campaigning, including Amnesty McCain.

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Obama did DACA and special offices in Central America not too different than Biden's illegal parole.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think most Americans are up in arms simply because people who aren’t here legally are being deported; we’re up in arms because people who are here legally are being detained, US citizens are being detained, and people who not only are not convicted criminals, but who hadn’t ever even been arrested on suspicion of a crime were sent to CECOT! That’s crazy. When the Feds admitted that they sent a guy to CECOT by mistake, they threw up their hands and said there was nothing to be done about it.

There’s no comparison to Obama.

So Tom Homan, when he was working for Obama, never had anyone detained who was a US citizen when conducting ICE raids for Obama?

You must be drinking some incredibly strong Kool Aid today.

Any how many people did he send to foreign prisons without any criminal convictions?

Obama droned American citizens without due process. Not put in prison. He killed them. How is that better from a civil rights / rule of law / authoritarian point of view?

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Anonymous wrote:It's never been about the idea of deportations, it's the way it's being done. You don't need to drag people out of their homes and schools to prove a point for tv.

If he didn't listen to Stephen Miller, he would be on the winning side of this issue, but since cruelty is the point, it's not the number of people being deported, but how horrible you can be.

This. Obama made churches, schools and hospitals off limits. Miller wants to see young kids being dragged out of schools with all the little kids crying.

Obama avoided family separation while Miller seeks it.

Obama didn’t violate court orders and grab people without due process and then ship them to a death camp. Miller wants anyone brownie dead.

Obama didn’t revoke legal status from immigrants, Miller did.

Miller is a weak, evil,impotent, little weasel. He’s the guy that ends up being caught as a serial killer with cat and human body parts in his garage freezer. Neighbors will all say he seemed a little off!

Obama put kids in cages and executed American citizens with drones without a trial.

But it’s all peachy when a president drones an American citizen and his kids without due process because he’s on our team, right?

You are misremembering the response to the drone strikes. Is that intentional?

I don’t seem to remember nationwide protests and UMC liberals protesting on street corners and decrying authoritarianism because a sitting president was drone striking American citizens without due process. Care to refresh everyone’s memory?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think most Americans are up in arms simply because people who aren’t here legally are being deported; we’re up in arms because people who are here legally are being detained, US citizens are being detained, and people who not only are not convicted criminals, but who hadn’t ever even been arrested on suspicion of a crime were sent to CECOT! That’s crazy. When the Feds admitted that they sent a guy to CECOT by mistake, they threw up their hands and said there was nothing to be done about it.

There’s no comparison to Obama.

So Tom Homan, when he was working for Obama, never had anyone detained who was a US citizen when conducting ICE raids for Obama?

You must be drinking some incredibly strong Kool Aid today.

Any how many people did he send to foreign prisons without any criminal convictions?

Obama droned American citizens without due process. Not put in prison. He killed them. How is that better from a civil rights / rule of law / authoritarian point of view?

I thought this thread was about deportations. Are we going to make apples to apples comparisons or just talk about the worst thing each president has done?

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Anonymous wrote:It's never been about the idea of deportations, it's the way it's being done. You don't need to drag people out of their homes and schools to prove a point for tv.

If he didn't listen to Stephen Miller, he would be on the winning side of this issue, but since cruelty is the point, it's not the number of people being deported, but how horrible you can be.

This. Obama made churches, schools and hospitals off limits. Miller wants to see young kids being dragged out of schools with all the little kids crying.

Obama avoided family separation while Miller seeks it.

Obama didn’t violate court orders and grab people without due process and then ship them to a death camp. Miller wants anyone brownie dead.

Obama didn’t revoke legal status from immigrants, Miller did.

Miller is a weak, evil,impotent, little weasel. He’s the guy that ends up being caught as a serial killer with cat and human body parts in his garage freezer. Neighbors will all say he seemed a little off!

+ 1

All of this. Miller is a sadist. Whom we did not elect! Nor did Congress approve him. When a sadist is calling the shots, people protest.

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Anonymous wrote:It's never been about the idea of deportations, it's the way it's being done. You don't need to drag people out of their homes and schools to prove a point for tv.

If he didn't listen to Stephen Miller, he would be on the winning side of this issue, but since cruelty is the point, it's not the number of people being deported, but how horrible you can be.

This is it. The cruelty and showing off, or trying to, to show how tough they are. Dropping people into hostile foreign countries is sick behavior and was trying to bring MAGA something to cheer on.

And what happened to the ICE agents and the criminals who were verified as criminals and are now stuck in Africa? Trump thought he was just gonna drop them in South Sudan. South Sudan is not accepting our criminals so guess who’s the latest country on the ban list.

I can’t find any updates.

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Anonymous wrote:It's never been about the idea of deportations, it's the way it's being done. You don't need to drag people out of their homes and schools to prove a point for tv.

If he didn't listen to Stephen Miller, he would be on the winning side of this issue, but since cruelty is the point, it's not the number of people being deported, but how horrible you can be.

This. Obama made churches, schools and hospitals off limits. Miller wants to see young kids being dragged out of schools with all the little kids crying.

Obama avoided family separation while Miller seeks it.

Obama didn’t violate court orders and grab people without due process and then ship them to a death camp. Miller wants anyone brownie dead.

Obama didn’t revoke legal status from immigrants, Miller did.

Miller is a weak, evil,impotent, little weasel. He’s the guy that ends up being caught as a serial killer with cat and human body parts in his garage freezer. Neighbors will all say he seemed a little off!

Obama put kids in cages and executed American citizens with drones without a trial.

But it’s all peachy when a president drones an American citizen and his kids without due process because he’s on our team, right?

You are misremembering the response to the drone strikes. Is that intentional?

I don’t seem to remember nationwide protests and UMC liberals protesting on street corners and decrying authoritarianism because a sitting president was drone striking American citizens without due process. Care to refresh everyone’s memory?

I remember Jeff posting a long thing about it here. I remember the lawsuit. I recall a lot of people being upset about it.

He didn’t continue to do it, which is why there weren’t ongoing protests. While the lawsuit did fail, he didn’t make a spectacle of the court proceedings or try to obstruct them.