Anonymous wrote:FWIW, we have played a few SYC pre-MLSNext teams and they can play possession soccer and win playing that way, although closer games. I wonder if they just stop doing that once they get to MLSNext levels. Which is unfortunate. They have a some good kids with physical advantages and it’s a shame if those kids don’t continue to develop their individual skills by playing games that uses those skills.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I watched the first half of this. Probably 4-1??
SYC is such a frustrating team to watch. I've seen them several times over the past three years. They have excellent individual players. I'm sure some of that is due to coaching and some is definitely due to recruiting. They are a physically imposing team. In this case, they are bigger and faster than Achilles at almost every position. But they don't play well together. Their goals aren't created by coordinated play. They rely heavily on consistently strong man marking, deep goal kicks, winning second balls, corners and crosses. How many times in that video did I hear "put it in the box" or "second ball." They shoot everything near the box and if they have it wide in the midfield either fire a deep diagonal pass or carry it down the line for a cross. This is all fine, and effective, if you're physically superior. But only if you're physically superior.

Technically Superior beats Physically Superior.
Technical + IQ Superiority beats just Physical.
Technical + Game Intelligence beats just Physical.
(See: Philly Union for example or old Barcelona)

If the Just Physical beats and dominates you, then you're not doing what you should with and without the ball, especially as a team.

I agree with points 2 and 3. Maybe not 1 if you're talking about individual players only. And I agree with the conclusion. And none of it is in conflict with the idea that SYC only wins when they're physically superior (almost always). They have physically imposing players that are technically good. They have neither "IQ Superiority" nor "Game Intelligence," if those things are different.

Nova2Euro wrote:Not a great display of technical prowess by the white team. Quality first touches would have made a world of difference.

Anonymous wrote:FWIW, we have played a few SYC pre-MLSNext teams and they can play possession soccer and win playing that way, although closer games. I wonder if they just stop doing that once they get to MLSNext levels. Which is unfortunate. They have a some good kids with physical advantages and it’s a shame if those kids don’t continue to develop their individual skills by playing games that uses those skills.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FWIW, we have played a few SYC pre-MLSNext teams and they can play possession soccer and win playing that way, although closer games. I wonder if they just stop doing that once they get to MLSNext levels. Which is unfortunate. They have a some good kids with physical advantages and it’s a shame if those kids don’t continue to develop their individual skills by playing games that uses those skills.

The "physicality" statements are a bit embellished.
There are obvious sequences of SYC using tactical possession play and technical ball movements.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I watched the first half of this. Probably 4-1??
SYC is such a frustrating team to watch. I've seen them several times over the past three years. They have excellent individual players. I'm sure some of that is due to coaching and some is definitely due to recruiting. They are a physically imposing team. In this case, they are bigger and faster than Achilles at almost every position. But they don't play well together. Their goals aren't created by coordinated play. They rely heavily on consistently strong man marking, deep goal kicks, winning second balls, corners and crosses. How many times in that video did I hear "put it in the box" or "second ball." They shoot everything near the box and if they have it wide in the midfield either fire a deep diagonal pass or carry it down the line for a cross. This is all fine, and effective, if you're physically superior. But only if you're physically superior.

Technically Superior beats Physically Superior.
Technical + IQ Superiority beats just Physical.
Technical + Game Intelligence beats just Physical.
(See: Philly Union for example or old Barcelona)

If the Just Physical beats and dominates you, then you're not doing what you should with and without the ball, especially as a team.

I agree with points 2 and 3. Maybe not 1 if you're talking about individual players only. And I agree with the conclusion. And none of it is in conflict with the idea that SYC only wins when they're physically superior (almost always). They have physically imposing players that are technically good. They have neither "IQ Superiority" nor "Game Intelligence," if those things are different.

If Achilles had IQ Superiority (individual decision making) and or Game Intelligence (reading and adapting to the overall ever changing environment as it applies with coaching tactical philosophy), they would not be dominated by Just Physical.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I watched the first half of this. Probably 4-1??
SYC is such a frustrating team to watch. I've seen them several times over the past three years. They have excellent individual players. I'm sure some of that is due to coaching and some is definitely due to recruiting. They are a physically imposing team. In this case, they are bigger and faster than Achilles at almost every position. But they don't play well together. Their goals aren't created by coordinated play. They rely heavily on consistently strong man marking, deep goal kicks, winning second balls, corners and crosses. How many times in that video did I hear "put it in the box" or "second ball." They shoot everything near the box and if they have it wide in the midfield either fire a deep diagonal pass or carry it down the line for a cross. This is all fine, and effective, if you're physically superior. But only if you're physically superior.

Technically Superior beats Physically Superior.
Technical + IQ Superiority beats just Physical.
Technical + Game Intelligence beats just Physical.
(See: Philly Union for example or old Barcelona)

If the Just Physical beats and dominates you, then you're not doing what you should with and without the ball, especially as a team.

I agree with points 2 and 3. Maybe not 1 if you're talking about individual players only. And I agree with the conclusion. And none of it is in conflict with the idea that SYC only wins when they're physically superior (almost always). They have physically imposing players that are technically good. They have neither "IQ Superiority" nor "Game Intelligence," if those things are different.

If Achilles had IQ Superiority (individual decision making) and or Game Intelligence (reading and adapting to the overall ever changing environment as it applies with coaching tactical philosophy), they would not be dominated by Just Physical.

Also fair. I was talking about SYC and you're talking about Achilles. And good luck finding this coach at U14 "reading and adapting to the overall ever changing environment as it applies with coaching tactical philosophy."

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FWIW, we have played a few SYC pre-MLSNext teams and they can play possession soccer and win playing that way, although closer games. I wonder if they just stop doing that once they get to MLSNext levels. Which is unfortunate. They have a some good kids with physical advantages and it’s a shame if those kids don’t continue to develop their individual skills by playing games that uses those skills.

The "physicality" statements are a bit embellished.
There are obvious sequences of SYC using tactical possession play and technical ball movements.

Disagree with first sentence, SYC teams often play up and they are always the same size as their opponents.

Agree with second statement. They should have done more of that.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FWIW, we have played a few SYC pre-MLSNext teams and they can play possession soccer and win playing that way, although closer games. I wonder if they just stop doing that once they get to MLSNext levels. Which is unfortunate. They have a some good kids with physical advantages and it’s a shame if those kids don’t continue to develop their individual skills by playing games that uses those skills.

The "physicality" statements are a bit embellished.
There are obvious sequences of SYC using tactical possession play and technical ball movements.

Disagree with first sentence, SYC teams often play up and they are always the same size as their opponents.

Agree with second statement. They should have done more of that.

OK. Can we stop saying their teams play up when discussing MLS Next, but because pretty obviously they do not. The 2009 team is 2009s. The 2010 team, if they have players playing up, are really big and physically imposing at multiple spots on the field (though there are certainly smaller players who are very skilled on that team as well). There is nothing wrong with having early growers on a team, but it is pretty silly to say they often play up and are always the same size as their opponents. I would be very surprised if many teams have comparable size.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The toxic yelling, screaming, berating and cursing of the Achilles coach at his young players is mind boggling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BUrfSnu1ng&t=32s

Notwithstanding the 9-2 win, SYC style of play is meh. Seems to be the plan was to pounce on Achilles mistakes, of which there were many, and run with it, or make long passes. Or to pass to the goalie to boot the ball. If there was a game for SYC to practice possession and create plays, this was it. Achilles kids skew smaller and SYC seems to be big and faster kids.

That said, good defending for SYC players. Getting the ball from Achilles players was way too easy.

Anonymous wrote:Gotta luv the Ref having to stop the game and have both coaches address out of control parents 😆

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The toxic yelling, screaming, berating and cursing of the Achilles coach at his young players is mind boggling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BUrfSnu1ng&t=32s

Notwithstanding the 9-2 win, SYC style of play is meh. Seems to be the plan was to pounce on Achilles mistakes, of which there were many, and run with it, or make long passes. Or to pass to the goalie to boot the ball. If there was a game for SYC to practice possession and create plays, this was it. Achilles kids skew smaller and SYC seems to be big and faster kids.

That said, good defending for SYC players. Getting the ball from Achilles players was way too easy.

I posted earlier saying they have physically imposing players at certain spots on the field. I did not watch the whole video, but I think they play pretty damned well. Smart players, good vision, not overdependent on superior size or speed. They know how to play. Is it perfect? No, but these kids have talent and will only get better.

Anonymous wrote:

Nova2Euro wrote:Not a great display of technical prowess by the white team. Quality first touches would have made a world of difference.

Doesn't help with a Joystick coach hurling profanities and insults at you.