Anonymous wrote:Well, I know why I tested - because I was thinking how great it would be to get a positive. But of course I got a BFN - no hint of a line, no shadow, no nothing. So now I am upset that this round was a failure, but am still clinging to a little bit of hope that maybe it was too early. Which is making things even worse because I can't yet move on. Let this serve as a warning to others!

You warned, I ignored....6dp5dt and the stick couldn't have been more negative. Blurgh. Same with you, trying hard not to think this cycle is a failure...sigh...

Sending hugs to you, OP - I hope you find peace of mind and heart soon, regardless of where your decision(s) find you.

And as always, you aren't alone

Anonymous wrote:
That's not true about embryo survival--if the clinic uses vitrification, 80% +, and at some clinics, 90% + survive the thaw. I don't believe that they have to be of a certain "quality" to survive. I had two frozen at day 2, both survived the thaw and divided afterward--and I'm AMA, and didn't get pregnant, so they weren't super embryos.

I think clinics like SG put "stringent" quality requirements on freezing embryos because they'd rather have repeat business. Despite being so "stringent", SG has a very low FET success rate. Other clinics have a much higher rate and I'll bet it's because they're 1) better labs with better freezing and thaw and 2) they freeze more embryos, giving more of them a chance, as how they look does not seem to be a good reflection on their chromosomal normality/abnormality, which is the only important thing as far as whether it's a viable embryo.

Wouldn't the embry still have to be high quality for it to be worth freezing? Either way, ours were considered high quality enough to freeze. Ours were one not great quality 5 day and one that stopped developing at day 4.

My first cycle, 5 mature, 4 fertilized with ICSI, by day 5 there were 3 blasts - two of which were higher quality - and one morula. We transferred the two high quality blasts and the other two weren't freezable. Not sure of outcome, antagonist protocol with lupron trigger.

I felt better about the lack of freezable embryos by reading on a clinic's web site (not mine, judt in a general search) that only 20% of all embryos are truly freezable quality (can survive freeze and thaw). Good luck!!

Hi, I don't know, but only because we had insurance. We paid 50% on day one, then have 6 months to pay it back. Seeing as how Shady Grove is a much bigger organization, I would gather the have more financing options? However, Brian at GW will be very up front with you and get you the best cost possible. He is exceptionally responsive. I have heard that if you are paying OOP they will price match. Also, they will work with you to find well price drugs (based on my experience with insurance denying stuff early on). Sorry I can't be of more help.

Thanks op for starting this thread....keeping me in a positive mindset! GL op and report back!

I am sorry to those feeling down...I hope you did something today that made you smile.

We were never SG patients but my husband did have a sperm analysis done there, and it was frustrating to him...they never called with th results and wouldn't provide them to him, only if he went back to the urologist who wanted to charge him $80 for a follow up. So he never got them. We went right to GW because of the convenience.

I am in my 2WW for my first (and hopefully last) cycle and based on my experience, I would recommend it regardless of my result. Felt my nurse was always happy to help me, their financial department was amazing (why can't every doctor have financial people this good?!?), and I felt well taken care of. I think they were overly cautious with me during stims to avoid OHSS since we are mfi, and they admitted it might be the case, but they couldn't risk it. I still got 4 fertilized eggs and transferred two embryos on day 5- Dr Frankfruter called me every day with a status update and explained everything well during the transfer.
If we don't get a bfp this cycle, I still consider it a success because I was happy with the outcome (would have been happier if the others made it to freeze, but we won't know until tomorrow...doesn't look like it tho). Of course, if I get pregnant, I'll love them forever....but based on my experience until now, I have been satisfied.
Our whole cycle with insurance was $5500 (ICSI is extra there, which is a bit a annoying) and we have 6 months to pay it (unless we need another cycle, we have to be paid up before starting).
I hope that helps set a picture for a recent experience there.

From GW, I got a call from the doctor, but only to tell me the fertilization rate, and then updates as to whether we'd be a 3 or 5 day transfer. I did not receive an update on day 4. My calls were in the morning from the doctor. Whenever I get a call from the nurse, it was always around 1:30/2, after they meet to discuss patients.

I never understood telling people with insurance to stop complaining when that energy should go in to trying to get good coverage for everyone.

So sorry, OP. big hugs, but don't worry...nothing is set yet - its still early. I hope you are doing ok...hugs

As for betas after 5dt, my 5dt was today and my beta is the 15th - next Friday...so, 9 days? Seems early but I'll take it. I think it might be because if the can do Friday not Monday, if gives possibly bad news a weekend to be digested vs a week at work dealing with many stressful things? But maybe I am being to generous!

It's a hard game, and it feels like you might never win while others lap you.

But for today, pregnant with twins until otherwise notified. Will know if the other two are freezer friendly. Lying on the sofa with the dog and enjoying the Valium and some Bravo.

We have to stay strong...we all struggle and the goal isn't to do that more than anyone.

Our clinic told us they recommend to Aetna clients to pay out of pocket for drugs and look for rebates. You can come out ahead. We were just talking about ow horrible they are. MD IPa gave us crap, too - didn't cover lupron because I didnt have prostate cancer!

GW - consults with Gindoff, Frankfruter did the ER and is doing ET. So far, I am thrilled with them and even if I don't get a bfp, I consider the cycle a success - 4 out of 5 still going, day 5 transfer. They have communicated well with me. We'll know how many to transfer /freeze if any.

Realistic optimism!

I hope those feeling blue today feel a bit better this evening.

A few threads sounded like people needed some hugs today. So, posting to share that you aren't alone and I wish you all success and peace on those emotionally stressful days.

My ET (first and hopefully last, but I remain realistically optimistic) is tomorrow and I know the process has been easier because of the help and support of you ladies.