"Pleasing to the eye" is different for everyone though, and TV/films have never really acknowledged that.

Well, Game of Thrones has had one or two plump naked girls, but that's the extent of it.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't loathe unattractive women as long as they don't go flaunting about like they're super attractive. Same goes for ugly men. Know your role.

But what is flaunting? Being confident, or happy, or sexual? If someone is fat or ugly are they supposed to circumscribe their life so that they're not seen as stepping out of their "role"?

Appearing nude every week on HBO?

As someone who does not like the show, I will defend Lena Dunham here. I am proud of her for being confident enough to do this.

Also, read this: http://www.xojane.com/sex/i-look-a-lot-like-lena-dunham-and-ive-banged-super-hot-dudes It's an excellent defense of Lena Dunham.

Thank you to everyone who has supported me in this thread.

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wearing dresses with no slips and dark colored thongs. you look trashy.

+1000000

Bruno Pearson.

With a name like that, I had better give a perfect lap dance because I'm going to get "Are you a tranny?" looks

Can we still be strippers even if we don't have middle names?

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Do you work there, or do you attend for pleasure?

Hahahaha I was attending for pleasure. I've only been to strip clubs twice - once was this amazing club in Atlanta called Cheetah or Cougar or something like that. Let me look it up.

Yep, Cheetah: http://thecheetah.com/

Anyway, it was a great strip club and full of suits. Many of them were young and Indian - a couple of old fat Indian guys too. I was curious about my brown brethren, so I beckoned over one of the strippers, bought her a drink, and got chatting. (And I tipped her for chatting with me too so it's not like I was wasting her time.) She said that Indian guys are typically the worst tippers and only liked the black and Latina girls. Didn't get any scoop on the number of cheaters though - I suppose that'll just be a standard number.

From what I have heard, the public buses also have gender-segregated seating. Some village panchayats (traditional village councils) have reacted to the rise in rape by suggesting that women should dress even more modestly/segregate themselves even more, etc.

It's such a shame because restricting women even further is obviously just another expression of misogyny. And it's not just village panchayats who are questioning the way women dress and conduct themselves. There are a shocking number of educated, middle-class men who, though they shout from the rooftops that they respect women and probably sincerely believe it, still think this way.

"But why was she dressed like that in the first place?"

"They should not be dancing in bars like that. This is where it all starts. Our girls are losing their morals."

"How can you blame the poor fellow when she smiles at him and flirts with him and then suddenly goes cold after giving him all these signals?"

We have an uphill climb ahead of us.

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CindyBindy wrote:

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CindyBindy wrote:This is heart-breaking. I know someone who works in the office building right by where this happened. What is really alarming about it is that it happened in Bombay, which is an incredibly liberal city. That poor girl.

The reason these bastards continue to rape is because they know the judicial system is broken and that people are afraid to go to the police. Unless someone is made an example of and people know that they are going to be held accountable under the law, there is no real long-term solution to combat this.

Well, we also desperately need to change social attitudes, and that starts with little boys at home and at school.

And thank you all for pointing out that rape is a world-wide phenomenon.

Mumbai

Yeah, I call it Bombay out of habit. Nobody who lives there calls it Mumbai either. #indianpretentiousness

Yes why not embrace the English pronunciation.

1) Not everyone agrees that the little fishing village it used to be, before the Portuguese transformed it into a city, was called Mumbai.
2) The political party that changed the name are Hindu-fanatic, Maratha nationalists who are universally hated. Instead of fixing the city's infrastructure issues or various social ills, they fixated on a name change that has never been proven accurate.
3) It is called Bombay by the people who live there. They aren't trying to be white. It's just the name of their city.

Edit: I like the way you draw an argument out of this when the topic of this thread is something completely different, and more important.

Anonymous wrote:"I do agree with the PP though -- you are seeing burnout amongst the Indian-Am professionals in their late 20s-30s. They have spent so much time chasing what they SHOULD want, that they never pursued what they did want. Some of them are doing it now -- I now know more than one Indian-Am professional who is leaving medicine, law etc. to teach, open a business, go into the gov't/politics. Their parents are for the most part ok with it -- frankly they don't have much say over their 35 yr old but even so, many parents feel "satisfied" that their kid achieved in medicine/law/ibanking etc. and now has money stashed away so they can have an "easier" life/profession. So while they drive their kids hard when young, they don't expect or want them to be miserable forever just for money. "

A lot of these guys have girlfriends on the side and they LOVE, LOVE, LOVE strip clubs.

omg tell more. This is a side I don't see when I go to social functions in the Indian-American community and all the aunties are parading their sons like show dogs.

I actually have noticed tons of Indian guys at strip clubs so that doesn't surprise me though.

Doesn't Netflix have a category that is curated for this?

Maybe this will make the tuition drop too, so unemployed graduates won't have to graduate with so much debt.

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Anonymous wrote:I've seen plenty of "ugly" married people. To think that low self esteem doesn't impact how others see you is just putting yourself at a disadvantage. i wish there was a way to post a picture. I bet you are not as unattractive as you think.

But projecting self-confidence isn't just a choice like getting a new haircut. It's a personality trait. If you are normal-looking, then you can be shy, acerbic, outgoing, ditzy, pesimistic or assertive and plenty of people will take time to get to know you and appreciate who you are. If you are unattractive, you have to have natural charisma to overcome your appearance. People will not overlook an introverted personality or a snarky comment from an ugly girl, because we are obviously not worth getting to know. We get exactly 1 strike against us.

True, but if you fit the conventional definition of "pretty" and yet are either introverted or have a bitchy attitude, then you won't attract quality people into your life. You'll just attract assholes who are prepared to deal with your bad attitude/introverted-ness/low self-esteem for as long as it takes to get what they want from you - be it sex or something else. They aren't going to respect you more, or genuinely like you, just because you are "pretty". And if they do, it would probably be because they have serious self-esteem issues of their own.

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CindyBindy wrote:This is heart-breaking. I know someone who works in the office building right by where this happened. What is really alarming about it is that it happened in Bombay, which is an incredibly liberal city. That poor girl.

The reason these bastards continue to rape is because they know the judicial system is broken and that people are afraid to go to the police. Unless someone is made an example of and people know that they are going to be held accountable under the law, there is no real long-term solution to combat this.

Well, we also desperately need to change social attitudes, and that starts with little boys at home and at school.

And thank you all for pointing out that rape is a world-wide phenomenon.

Mumbai

Yeah, I call it Bombay out of habit. Nobody who lives there calls it Mumbai either. #indianpretentiousness

Anonymous wrote:
Tragedy visited many, many peoples in history. Jews do not have the monopoly on misery. There must be something unique about the Jewish people besides the trials they withstood. Plus I would hardly call the Holocaust something the Jews just shook off and carried on. It's a major piece of their narrative and a very lucrative niche.

Uh. I don't know if I would describe the Holocaust as "lucrative".

Going back to the original discussion of what Jews do right, I think everything has been said about Tiger Parenting, etc. But I think it's interesting to point out that a lot of Jewish families are motivated to educate their children for the sake of education - not for money. While there are families in other cultures like that too, I have always gotten the impression that the majority - not all - of immigrants emphasize education to their kids because of the future incomes it promises. Like, "be a doctor, be an engineer, be a lawyer - no, no, don't become a professor! Even if you get tenure you won't make any money!" And while plenty of Jewish families think that way too, I've also met a significant number of Jewish parents who earn working class incomes but have generations of college education behind them and absolutely expect that their kids will go to Brandeis or Amherst or whatever. They sneer at mercenary ambitions as anti-intellectual. I think that's a great attitude to have and I wish more college administrations would have that ethos. When universities are run like corporations, like they increasingly are now, you can really see how it affects the humanities departments.